Minato vs Madara(3tomoe)

[Edo Odin]

There is yellow paper on the kunai, but nowhere else he makes the mark like on KB's tentacle, Obito's back, and the cloud jounin's foot.

I'm aware of that, my sole point was to correct his statement of Katon not being effective against the Kunai.

 

[Bogard]

Actually, while it may not destroy the Kunai itself, Fire based attacks would render the technique useless as it would simply burn up the paper that the formula is on, meaning that it'd only be a simple Kunai.

Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything you say.

Hmm good point. I failed to realise it. It's definitely possible but since fire attacks don't change the trajectory of kunais or pass thru them quickly, i suppose with speed it could pass thru without burning or slightly only and thus not really affecting the chakra made-marking

 

[Icelerate]

Minato wins low-mid difficulty.

I am quite sure Minato should be able to throw kunais in any direction he pleases such as towards the sky or behind him. This will allow him to dodge any of Madara's katons. Minato also has summons such as Gamabunta which have water and oil bullets allowing him to put pressure on Madara. Bunta also has good taijutsu and the ability to jump so I don't see how Madara has a chance.

Madara's katons will only obscure Madara's own vision allowing Minato to slip a kunai behind Madara. Once that happens, Minato blitzes.

Madara's taijutsu is kind of useless here. His only chance is one shotting Minato with genjutsu but considering majority of the kages were able to avoid it, I don't think Madara with only 3 tomoe can cast genjutsu on Minato, he'll have his hands full avoiding FTG, Gamabunta, etc.

 

[shelke]

So let's get one thing straight; reflex speed means that Minato is able to evade everything? I hope to god you people are either joking or... let's not even think of the alternative. Reflex speed is reaction/response time of the muscles, and that's it. It doesn't enhance any individual's bodily speed, or make them faster in terms of sprint, or any other bodily movements outside this. It's just a small window which determines how fast the muscles respond in a particular situation.

For example, the Test Pilots have a Reflex Speed of 4 seconds to avert any crisis or respond to emergency simulations. Whereas an average Commercial Pilot's reflex speed is around 8-10 seconds. Now this must mean that they are amazing sprinters, or have amazing speed. Which is completely untrue. With FTG out of the way; how exactly does this 'reflex speed' fall into place when his other Kunais are rendered useless? You have got to be kidding me. *Face Palm*

I am quite sure Minato should be able to throw kunais in any direction he pleases such as towards the sky or behind him. This will allow him to dodge any of Madara's katons. Minato also has summons such as Gamabunta which have water and oil bullets allowing him to put pressure on Madara. Bunta also has good taijutsu and the ability to jump so I don't see how Madara has a chance.

How is he throwing Kunais in every direction other than behind him against this:

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When ninjas on the battle field accepted it to have a huge range:

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- Look at the large wall of Suiton attack from many ninjas to extinguish it and stop it in its tracks. How is Minato NOT getting burnt? When his Kunai's thrown ahead or or the sides would get eaten up by the flames, and he has literally nothing to stop the flames themselves?

How is this:

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- getting past OR around this:

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When Madara's weaker Katon attack burnt Tsunade in her Immortal technique:

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. This attack appears to have a much much bigger range and the amount of Suiton attacks from countless ninjas to quell the flames makes me believe that you people are grossly slanting your opinions.

The marking on the Kunai is made up with nothing but paper:

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- The Shun-Shin no Jutsus is written on that yellow paper. How it it getting past the fire? I can't believe Bogard here believes that somehow, magically, the Kunai will make through this much heat. The level of fanboyism. It's basically made up of Iron or steel and it's basic physics what happens to Iron or its alloys once exposed to extreme heats. There is no way in snow flame in hell is a single one of his Kunai passing through or surviving this attack. I mean, Yellow Paper? God...

Bunta is put under Genjutsu the second he lands on the battle field. How much time did Sasuke have after Deidara released the mouth on his chest, turning himself into a bomb and it went off? Here it has already gone off -

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- and Sasuke has yet to summon Manda. This means he summoned manda and put it inside genjutsu in that extremely small time frame. How is any toad summon getting out if it? The moment he looks at Madara, it's over.

Madara's taijutsu is kind of useless here. His only chance is one shotting Minato with genjutsu but considering majority of the kages were able to avoid it, I don't think Madara with only 3 tomoe can cast genjutsu on Minato, he'll have his hands full avoiding FTG, Gamabunta, etc.

Let's not use the Kage fights as some sort of argument changer here. Madara was never serious with them. You and are both know that. The second he got serious; they were flattened shamelessly. At base speed, Minato is perfectly countered on all fronts. His Rasangan is reflected back in his face and let's face it, I haven't seen Minato use any Taijutsu feats other than abusing teleportation to over-whelm his enemies.

, where does this "base speed" expression come from? Speed includes everything, body movements, reactions, etc. And the guy even in V2 the guy was couldn't react to Minato's speed and you want me to believe V1 is faster?

Minato already had a Kunai in his hand well before A even attacked:

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. See the Kunai in his hand when A is about to level his punch:

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. What does that even prove? Not only that, he also saw his attack coming when he charged his armour here:

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. This proves practically nothing, as it was FTG and nothing else. If he was not holding his Kunai, that punch would've bashed his face in permanently.

We're talking about a speed that even surpass Obito's intangibility capacity that not even someone as fast as Naruto could surpass.

Still stuck in the past?

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- Obito’s S/T Jutsu is more advanced than forth, according to Kakashi. Try to keep up with current manga. Back then, Minato even used FTG to escape the Warp point, which is another counter for your 'Kakashi warps everything'!

 

[Space Cowboy]

Well, since we haven't seen anything of 3t Madara yet, we can't really say for sure, but based on what we've seen so far, I don't really see anyone with a 3t taking out someone of Minato's caliber.

Pretty much^

 

[Curse Mark]

Pretty much^

Yeah we have. Madara fought the Gokage 3 tomoe.

 

[Unorthodox]

putting madara at his most featless and weakest state then compared him to your favorite character great idea

 

[Curse Mark]

putting madara at his most featless and weakest state then compared him to your favorite character great idea

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
it's not his most featless state. Don't be a moron.

 

[Curse Mark]

We've seen Madara fighting in base against the alliance ninja though

THIS.
...jesus

 

[Bogard]

putting madara at his most featless and weakest state then compared him to your favorite character great idea

Seems that someone didn't read OP

 

[Turson]

Reasons:

A large Katon attack burns all his FTG Kunais. His Katon attack is so powerful that it took several water guns to put it out.

About that part... can Katon melt those kunais that easily? I really cant imagine that...

 

[shelke]

^ Where did I say the Kunais are completely melted into liquid form? But surely people here must know basic physics. How is the paper surviving that much heat? How are they crossing completely unhindered? Sounds like BS to me.

 

[Bogard]

About that part... can Katon melt those kunais that easily? I really cant imagine that...

They can't. Example: Itachi's or Sasuke's shuriken fire techniques. What he says is BS as usual

 

[Turson]

^ Where did I say the Kunais are completely melted into liquid form? But surely people here must know basic physics. How is the paper surviving that much heat? How are they crossing completely unhindered? Sounds like BS to me.

So... the seal is placed on paper that is placed on kunai itself? I must say that I never noticed that, and Im not even sure if its true... gotta do some investigation.

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-> And I did. It really does not seem that there is any paper on them.

 

[Curse Mark]

Everyone seems to think there's paper on the kunais, and I agreed but when you read

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There doesn't seem to be any mention of paper.

 

[Turson]

Everyone seems to think there's paper on the kunais, and I agreed but when you read

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There doesn't seem to be any mention of paper.

And it doesnt even have any sense. Why would Minato place his seals on something as fragile as paper (whereas seals can placed on anything)?

 

[Bogard]

And it doesnt even have any sense. Why would Minato place his seals on something as fragile as paper (whereas seals can placed on anything)?

They are on paper. It's said by a ninja from Kumo. I suppose it's only for the swag that he did it(yellow paper like his hairs)

 

[Curse Mark]

They are on paper. It's said by a ninja from Kumo. I suppose it's only for the swag that he did it(yellow paper like his hairs)

can you post a scan? It sounds familiar.

 

[Turson]

can you post a scan?

+1. Maybe it doesnt have much of a sense, but its hard to argue against manga facts.

 

[Curse Mark]

+1. Maybe it doesnt have much of a sense, but its hard to argue against manga facts.

What does +1 mean? And if you never posted it i cant agree it's manga fact.