Absolute Proof That The Uzumakis Were Not Descendants of The Senjus

[Edo Odin]

This is the only thread you've posted that's inaccurate. The Senju and Uchiha were the first two clans. All other clans originated from them including the Uzumaki.

This Is My Own Opinion.

The Sage was NOT an Uzumaki because it was never said in the manga. All clans were born from the same Sage. So the Sage is also an Hozuki, a Yuki, a Nara etc. The Sage had two sons who were the ancestors of the TWO GREATEST clans that ever existed, The Uchiha and The Senju. Now most of you would ask the question of the other clans, how they were formed. Let me explain, you might not agree with this...

ALL THE CLANS WERE ALL FORMED FROM THE UCHIHA AND SENJU BLOODLINE AT SOME POINT. It's the ONLY explanation of how the other clans were formed. But the Hyuuga are more special because the manga said the Byakugan was formed from the sharingan therefore the hyuuga would be related to the Uchiha clan. The Uzumaki weren't genetically special at all...except for their large chakra and stamina. They were distant relations to the Senju just like other numerous clans. But what made them special was their vast knowledge of sealing jutsus. They endevoured to create and enhance sealing jutsus like Kuchiyose no jutsu, Death Reaper seal, Death reaper reversal mask seal, Jinchuriki sealing jutsu etc and others later learnt from their knowledge and advanced their jutsus to jutsus like Flying Thunder Jutsu, Edo Tensei etc

This IS just My Opinion By The Way.

Ummm, no they weren't, the Senju and Uchiha were the most powerful, but there were still other clans... :|

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Ummm, no they weren't, the Senju and Uchiha were the most powerful, but there were still other clans... :|

Yes there were indeed other clans, and it's entirely possible that the Sage belonged to one, because if we remember Jiraiya's words he said that the Sage lived in an era of constant wars, wars are engaged by opposing factions, and which factions have predominantly opposed each other even before the founding of the Shinobi Villages? Clans.

 

[wabbling69]

so the uzumaki's are blood related but didnt descend from the senju? so how would they be related if one of the two clans didnt descend from each other? that doesnt make sense. that means that wherever the senju clan came from the uzumaki clan came from the same place. that would make basically brothers.

 

[Regulus]

Thank you for the time and money spent to straighten this out for everyone.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Ummm, no they weren't, the Senju and Uchiha were the most powerful, but there were still other clans... :|

The sage founded jutsu. In the Naruto encyclopedia a clan is a group of blood related SHINOBIS(meaning people who can perform jutsus) living together. This means before the Sage ther were no shinobis and therefore there were no clans

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

so the uzumaki's are blood related but didnt descend from the senju? so how would they be related if one of the two clans didnt descend from each other? that doesnt make sense. that means that wherever the senju clan came from the uzumaki clan came from the same place. that would make basically brothers.

Exactly my point!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The sage founded jutsu. In the Naruto encyclopedia a clan is a group of blood related SHINOBIS(meaning people who can perform jutsus) living together. This means before the Sage ther were no shinobis and therefore there were no clans

Simply because the modern shinobi system and ninjas were not in place during the Sage's time does not necessarily entail there were no families or clans that lived during that time, albeit non-ninjutsu wielders

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Yes there were indeed other clans, and it's entirely possible that the Sage belonged to one, because if we remember Jiraiya's words he said that the Sage lived in an era of constant wars, wars are engaged by opposing factions, and which factions have predominantly opposed each other even before the founding of the Shinobi Villages? Clans.

I hope you know that wars can be done without jutsus? They weren't clans. They may have called themselves clans but until a collection of shinobis come together which have the same jutsus there can't be a clan. And we all know the sage found jutsu. So clans only came after his time

 

[wabbling69]

before the sage of six paths created jutsu there was no such thing as a shinobi. his sons are the reason why there are so many clans. there was a lot of time for there kids to have kinds and so on.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I hope you know that wars can be done without jutsus? They weren't clans. They may have called themselves clans but until a collection of shinobis come together which have the same jutsus there can't be a clan. And we all know the sage found jutsu. So clans only came after his time

Nope, clans and families must have existed prior to the Sage's founding of Ninjutsu, where did the Sage get his wife?

 

[wabbling69]

I hope you know that wars can be done without jutsus? They weren't clans. They may have called themselves clans but until a collection of shinobis come together which have the same jutsus there can't be a clan. And we all know the sage found jutsu. So clans only came after his time

ha i posted the same thing about jutsu. sorry for making it look like im stealing your ideas but i totally agree with you

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Simply because the modern shinobi system and ninjas were not in place during the Sage's time does not necessarily entail there were no families or clans that lived during that time, albeit non-ninjutsu wielders

So are you saying that at the time before the sage there was an Uzumaki clan that didn't have sealing jutsus, Large chakra or large stamina? Sounds a bit far-fetched and biased if you ask me...no offence

 

[wabbling69]

Nope, clans and families must have existed prior to the Sage's founding of Ninjutsu, where did the Sage get his wife?

from e harmony. so your saying the sage got his wife from a clan. how do you know this? the manga has never said anything about the sages wife. or if he even had one.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

So are you saying that at the time before the sage there was an Uzumaki clan that didn't have sealing jutsus, Large chakra or large stamina? Sounds a bit far-fetched and biased if you ask me...no offence

And who are you to assume that the Uzumakis did not learn the art of sealing Jutsus from the Sage? Is it not entirely plausible that after the Sage discovered Ninjutsu it was only then that he teached the sealing jutsus to his parental clan?

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Nope, clans and families must have existed prior to the Sage's founding of Ninjutsu, where did the Sage get his wife?

You don't get it. There were people living during the sage's time I agree. But they weren't the Uzumaki clan, Nara clan, Hyuga clan, Yamanaka clan, Hozuki clan etc. No. They were just normal folk who had families. You can't say that there was an Uzumaki clan before the Sage. It is their jutsus that make them stand out before other clans and there were no jutsus before the Sage so there was no Uzumaki clan which means the Uzumaki clan descende from the Senju

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You don't get it. There were people living during the sage's time I agree. But they weren't the Uzumaki clan, Nara clan, Hyuga clan, Yamanaka clan, Hozuki clan etc. No. They were just normal folk who had families. You can't say that there was an Uzumaki clan before the Sage. It is their jutsus that make them stand out before other clans and there were no jutsus before the Sage so there was no Uzumaki clan which means the Uzumaki clan descende from the Senju

They may not have been the Shinobi Clans of present, but they could have been the Progenitor ancestral clans of the current day Shinobi Pre-Ninjutsu era, given that the Uzumakis have innate vitality and chakra reserves, does it not follow that they could have had that inherent ability but did not know how to unlock the potential until the Sage discovered Ninjutsu?

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

And who are you to assume that the Uzumakis did not learn the art of sealing Jutsus from the Sage? Is it not entirely plausible that after the Sage discovered Ninjutsu it was only then that he teached the sealing jutsus to his parental clan?

Okay now you're just forming what you like so as to suit your agenda. If the Uzumaki clan existed at that time, don't you think Obito would have mentioned it when he was telling the story of the two sons? He would have mentioned the third clan. Seriously man your points aren't legit

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

They may not have been the Shinobi Clans of present, but they could have been the Progenitor ancestral clans of the current day Shinobi Pre-Ninjutsu era, given that the Uzumakis have innate vitality and chakra reserves, does it not follow that they could have had that inherent ability but did not know how to unlock the potential until the Sage discovered Ninjutsu?

That means the current Uzumaki clan which have JUTSUS originated from the Senju clan

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Okay now you're just forming what you like so as to suit your agenda. If the Uzumaki clan existed at that time, don't you think Obito would have mentioned it when he was telling the story of the two sons? He would have mentioned the third clan. Seriously man your points aren't legit

If that is your view then I can do nothing to convince you otherwise, but you conjecture that simply because Tobi did not mention the Uzumakis to his story to Sasuke it does not mean that they did not exist during that time, how sure are you that Tobi was telling the whole truth? Did he not lie when he said the Kyuubi attack was a natural disaster?

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

See man, I like your threads but this one isn't accurate. There were people living before the sages era, but they weren't actual nowaday clans. There's no way the Uzumaki clan could have existed before the man that created jutsu which clans use to distinguish one another. Maybe families, nut not clans. Just ma opinion, man