Absolute Proof That The Uzumakis Were Not Descendants of The Senjus

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Ha ha! Exactly. Remember the chapter where everyone swore up and down Naruto was about to bust out some crazy new wind tech. when it was actually the wind users doing a jutsu on the previous page. What a mess it was around here that week lol
 

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Do you not have distant relatives in your family? We all Have look at the new world and compare it to the old world,A Brother leave Europe settles in Virginia His brother and cousin stay in Europe now both your and His decedents marry other families your sisters lose the family Name and gain their Husbands family Name now go 100 to 200 years into the future are you still not distant blood relatives? Different names but still have the DNA in you of a common ancestor.
 

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That was the only lie Obito said. But dude, apart from Obito not mentioning them, Clans have to have jutsus. Be logical. The sage founded jutsus, so how can the Uzumaki clan have existed before the sage? There's no way. That means even the Akimichi clan existed before the Sage. You're being irrational man. Not all threads are accurate but you have to accept when a thread isn't correct and strive to make a better one

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This doesnt prove they didnt descend from the senju tho.
 

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I thought we already knew that.

Others don't and insists that the Uzumakis are descendants of the Senjus based on the mistranslated statement of Zetsu.

This doesnt prove they didnt descend from the senju tho.

The Japanese honorifics are missing, meaning Kushina talked about the Senjus and the Uzumakis in equal footing, a secondary branch of the family tree refers to the main branch with honorifics like "We of the X clan who descended from the great and noble Y clan" and so forth. So they are most probably not descendants of the Senjus.
 
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In the time of the SO6P their were No Senju Nor Uchiha thats an indisputable fact, The decedents of the Two Sons took those Names, Leaving the Question What was the Name of the SO6P Clan sines He invented the First Ninja Clan.
 

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First thing that came into my head when i saw the title was, ugh another troll thread, i wonder what stupid joke this is gonna be... Im glad i was mistaken. well done
 

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Holy black on a Po-Po... this thread is a mess.

"How can one be a blood relative without being descended from..."

That's simple. Because people are quaint and don't have functioning brains, they began to reason that the Senju started with the younger brother, and the Uchiha with the elder brother. Thus, when one says: "The Uzumaki were not descended from the Senju" - their brain cannot reason through the problem.

The solution is that the younger brother was neither Senju nor Uzumaki. Senju and Uzumaki lineages are branches from another lineage (which may or may not still exist - it's possible that their mutual ancestor could have become extinct).

As for the whole "The Sage started Ninja!"

This really isn't clear. He may have started the organized teaching of ninjutsu and other such things - but we see, quite clearly, that knowledge and ability to use chakra existed outside of the Shinobi systems (Samurai... remember those guys?).

So it can be reasoned that clans and different ninjutsu-like abilities existed before the Sage's time. The Sage, however, began the actual instruction that formed the basis of a Shinobi.

Which is what we will see when Hashirama explains to Sasuke: "What is a ninja?" The idea of a ninja was the Sage's theory on how to spread peace and discipline.

Thus all "conflicts" are resolved merely by changing the context in which the current facts have come to be.
 

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Uzumaki's are blood relatives ?
 

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Viz Scans > that site you used. ;]

Nope sorry you're wrong, I've already confirmed that 血縁 was what Zetsu said ketsuen or blood relative not sosen or 祖先 which means ancestry/lineage, and you're attack on the integrity of the professional translator I cited is Ad Hominem, nice try ;)
 

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Nope sorry you're wrong, I've already confirmed that 血縁 was what Zetsu said ketsuen or blood relative not sosen or 祖先 which means ancestry/lineage, and you're attack on the integrity of the professional translator I cited is Ad Hominem, nice try ;)

And your attack on the integrity of Manga translators is just shocking.
 

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Are you trying to argue that the Uzumaki's aren't a distant relative clan of the Senju? I feel like i remember it being stated on more than just one occasion in the manga that they are distant relatives. Correct me if I'm wrong though. It's hard to sift through hundreds of chapters trying to obtain a small amount of information lol

Why do people keep saying Distant relatives of the Senju only? If The Senju and Uchiha are descendants of the Two Brothers then both Uchiha and Senju are distant relatives of the Uzumaki too.
 

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Why do people keep saying Distant relatives of the Senju only? If The Senju and Uchiha are descendants of the Two Brothers then both Uchiha and Senju are distant relatives of the Uzumaki too.

Manga doesn't mention Uchiha ;]. Otherwise the SO6P would've 3 children.
 

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And your attack on the integrity of Manga translators is just shocking.

I'm not even attacking them, it was you who called my source as a cheap translation site, why don't you provide the raw panel and the professional translator next time hmm? ;)



Manga doesn't mention Uchiha ;]. Otherwise the SO6P would've 3 children.

Maybe because.. I dunno, the Uzumaki father sired the Senju and Uchiha Ancestors (2 children) :D
 

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I'm not even attacking them, it was you who called my source as a cheap translation site, why don't you provide the raw panel and the professional translator next time hmm? ;)





Maybe because.. I dunno, the Uzumaki father sired the Senju and Uchiha Ancestors (2 children) :D
Where the Uchiha Sharingan then ? o_O

Also, the very english you read is a professional translator. Maybe you should stop trying to Make Uzumaki the boss of the Uchiha and Senju.. ? You said their translation is wrong ahahahahah . and now saying your not attacking them? okkkk. ;]

When in reality Uzumaki are part of the Senju clan. And getting offended by it? :D
 

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Where the Uchiha Sharingan then ? o_O

Also, the very english you read is a professional translator. Maybe you should stop trying to Make Uzumaki the boss of the Uchiha and Senju.. ? You said their translation is wrong ahahahahah . and now saying your not attacking them? okkkk. ;]

When in reality Uzumaki are part of the Senju clan. And getting offended by it? :D

Why do you have a problem if it was an Uzumaki who sired the Uchiha and Senju ancestors? do you think that some way it diminishes Hashirama or the Senju Clan? I don't see the diminished honor or prestige, do you? of course I'm not a character fanboy so I wouldn't really know ;)
 
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