Kakashi having MS is illogical

[Retsu]

I agree, but in this case the manga is speaking scientifically so....


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That's debatble, due to the hatred activating MS, did Kakashi have hatred for run of killing her?

still doesn't matter though, the manga was mainly making a point about how love is actually the driving force behind an uchiha's sharingan, the mildly scientific explanation was just the vehicle to explain that with. Furthermore we're just getting a rough translation of what is actually said, seeing as translations can vary by who does them, this is something very small that Kishi probably doesn't even care about.

 

[Bogard]

Its a manga certain things shouldn't be related to irl. The ways kamui and the relationship between theirs eyes have been portrayed ive no doubt that they respond to each other.

Also obito saying what he did can mean two things.
Either he didn't note that kakashi awakened the ms the first time of awakening. Or kakashi awakened it the second time on his own, in part 2

It's what i'm saying. The simple fact of Kakashi awakening the Mangekyou is illogical whether it was the same day Obito did or not

Your argument is irrelevant cuz kakashi has awesome hair and ****s bitches

How is that irrelevant? I'm only giving my point on something i think Kishi failed

Like you said, it doesn't make sense, based off science, logic, and manga proof, there is a contradiction of how Kakashi awakened it for the fact that
1. For the way Tobira explained it
2. Kakashi's brain isn't Obito's
3. He's not an Uchiha

Yeah it's in principe illogical, but Kishi said so, and i find it even more illogical that Kakashi awakened it without the special chakra in Uchiha's brain

 

[KidGamer65]

I find that ridiculous though because if that's the case why can't Kakashi avoid Tsukuyomi?

He doesn't have Uchiha blood coursing through his veins.

 

[Anorien16]

Well it may be a special case as Obito was able to see through his eye implanted Kakashi minutes before awakening his MS, which suggests a a strong direct connection ..... also it may be that given the nature of Obito's MS the T/S rules didnt apply (or applied weakly) to the pair.

 

[HadouKage]

still doesn't matter though, the manga was mainly making a point about how love is actually the driving force behind an uchiha's sharingan, the mildly scientific explanation was just the vehicle to explain that with. Furthermore we're just getting a rough translation of what is actually said, seeing as translations can vary by who does them, this is something very small that Kishi probably doesn't even care about.

Nonetheless, it's manga and cannon
Everyone knows manga > science
But the manga is using science to back up fact so in this case

Science (backed by manga fact) > Opinion

He doesn't have Uchiha blood coursing through his veins.

Wouldn't having Obito's eye technically make him have some (if not a little) Uchiha blood?

 

[Retsu]

however this is hybrid manga-science, so just because it mimics real world science, does not mean real world science always applies there

 

[KidGamer65]

Wouldn't having Obito's eye technically make him have some (if not a little) Uchiha blood?

Its not nearly enough though.

 

[ChuckeffinNorris]

one thing all of you are forgetting is that tobirama had said he had seen this happen countless times before to uchiha... does this mean countless members had awakened MS?, NO! tobirama was speaking specifically of the awakening of the sharingan 1,2, or 3 tomoe, due to stress or trauma..... the MS is only attainable by the loss of someone dear to you there is no other way where as the sharingan can be awakened in two ways
oh and did Tobirama ever say this is how you activate the MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN? cause all i seen was that this awakened a power greater then the senju not greater then the OG sharingan

 

[KakuzuHatesMoney]

The second explained that that is the way UCHIHA gain MS Kakashi is not an uchiha

Stop looking for the tiniest mistakes in everything. In this case, this isn't even a mistake. This might even be wrong and might be simply how Tobirama sees the Uchiha. He might see them as crazies.

 

[HadouKage]

however this is hybrid manga-science, so just because it mimics real world science, does not mean real world science always applies there

What? Science is science, it's telling how the brain interacts with the eye. It's manga fact anyway so yes, it applies

Its not nearly enough though.

It wasn't stated how much Uchiha blood was needed Itachi just said you need to be skilled and have Uchiha blood

Stop looking for the tiniest mistakes in everything. In this case, this isn't even a mistake. This might even be wrong and might be simply how Tobirama sees the Uchiha. He might see them as crazies.

Manga > Your assumption
It's clear that is true as when Sasuke was fighting Danzo and Karin was sensing Sasuke's chakara getting darker that what Tobria was saying was true

 

[iSpeak]

That doesn't explained how Kakashi awakened it, the cannon way was how Tobria explained it

Yes that does explain how Kakashi awakened it...

Both of their eyes are linked (evident from these scans)

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Obito is a pure Uchiha so he was able to unlock the MS normally, and since Kakashi had his other eye and they are linked, Kakashi'a MS also activated (meaning Kakashi never awakened it himself, it was just a chain reaction from Obito's). Its not like each eye unlocks MS at different times, they both unlock it simultaneously.

 

[KidGamer65]

It wasn't stated how much Uchiha blood was needed Itachi just said you need to be skilled and have Uchiha blood

It wasn't stated because its obvious. He doesn't have any of that blood in his body or in his veins. You need Uchiha blood to use the Sharingan to fullest potential without the larger chakra drain issues, Kakashi's Sharingan drains more chakra from him than a normal Uchiha.

 

[HadouKage]

Yes that does explain how Kakashi awakened it...

Both of their eyes are linked (evident from these scans)

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Obito is a pure Uchiha so he was able to unlock the MS normally, and since Kakashi had his other eye and they are linked, Kakashi'a MS also activated (meaning Kakashi never awakened it himself, it was just a chain reaction from Obito's).

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Read what he said
He stated you awaken MS you heart becomes dark and aligns with your feelings and that your eyes get impossible to handle them. (Hence Sasuke getting his, using them and then going blind)
What hatred was Kakashi feeling is what you have to ask unless we know that, then it is a contradiction

 

[HadouKage]

It wasn't stated because its obvious. He doesn't have any of that blood in his body or in his veins. You need Uchiha blood to use the Sharingan to fullest potential without the larger chakra drain issues, Kakashi's Sharingan drains more chakra from him than a normal Uchiha.

I disagree with the bold as Kakashi has magenkyo and he is not Uchiha, we all know the greatest potential of the Sharigan is EMS and not every Uchiha gains this potential
Back to what I was saying, it wasn't specified how much blood you need, so technically Kakashi shouldn't be affected

 

[Anorien16]

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Read what he said
He stated you awaken MS you heart becomes dark and aligns with your feelings and that your eyes get impossible to handle them. (Hence Sasuke getting his, using them and then going blind)
What hatred was Kakashi feeling is what you have to ask unless we know that, then it is a contradiction

To my utter shame i quote myself (see the second part):

Well it may be a special case as Obito was able to see through his eye implanted Kakashi minutes before awakening his MS, which suggests a a strong direct connection ..... also it may be that given the nature of Obito's MS the T/S rules didnt apply (or applied weakly) to the pair.

PS we dont have many many living Uchiha who transplanted their eyes..... so the effects are not clear.
PPS It was explained that shringan strengthens with the feelings of loss..... Kakashi just killed one of dearest friends... so he was supposed to feel sad.

 

[iSpeak]

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Read what he said
He stated you awaken MS you heart becomes dark and aligns with your feelings and that your eyes get impossible to handle them. (Hence Sasuke getting his, using them and then going blind)
What hatred was Kakashi feeling is what you have to ask unless we know that, then it is a contradiction

But he never states wheter he is talking about the Original user or a person who transplanted it. Since their whole conversation was about the Uchiha clan it would be much safer to assume he is talking about the Uchiha who's eyes it originally belonged to.

 

[Blaze Release]

He's not an Uchiha, you also have to note that in order to awaken the Mangenkyo you must have hatred in your heart. Kakashi has not portrayed this in an manga/anime

One was when he first awakened it and he was knocked out after. In that case it was obito who awakened it.
The second awakening isn't really an awakening because he had already awakened it and forgotten. In that case what tobirama said doesn't contradict at all because kakashi had it already due to obito, just forgotten about it.

Again this isn't the first time in an anime we have seen that a character's tool/weapon, etc awakens when they shows some form of emotion at their masters grief, even in death.

Their eyes are linked.

Ill give you examples.
Naruto as we know is kurama's jinchurcki. Yet when gin/kin bro's went bijuu mode, naruto could feel kurama's chakra [

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]. There is a form of link between them because of kurama.

Or zetsu reacting to naruto's chakra and turning into a tree, similar to yamato using mokuton.

These examples aren't exactly the best, but as you can see, because certain opponents share some trait/ability they might also have some form of connection, or perhaps even the jinchrucki realm that jins can enter

 

[Ishan Hokage]

True that it is unexplained, but what do you mean by "optic nerve isn't connected"? How is he even able to be see if that's the case?
I would say it got activated because both eyes are connected to each other and if one gains a MS then the other one will get it too.

 

[Retsu]

What? Science is science, it's telling how the brain interacts with the eye. It's manga fact anyway so yes, it applies


It wasn't stated how much Uchiha blood was needed Itachi just said you need to be skilled and have Uchiha blood

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Obito was seeing through kakashi's eye so obviously there is a link which allows both eyes to transform when exposed to the loss of love, simple as that

 

[HadouKage]

But he never states wheter he is talking about the Original user or a person who transplanted it. Since their whole conversation was about the Uchiha clan it would be much safer to assume he is talking about the Uchiha who's eyes it originally belonged to.

Obito was able to see out of the eye he gave to Kakashi, so I don't think that this explanation works.

This doesn't even make sense because if that's the case then Kakashi/Obito would have seen everything in each others eyes