Kakashi having MS is illogical

[KidGamer65]

I disagree with the bold as Kakashi has magenkyo and he is not Uchiha, we all know the greatest potential of the Sharigan is EMS and not every Uchiha gains this potential
Back to what I was saying, it wasn't specified how much blood you need, so technically Kakashi shouldn't be affected

He may have Mangekyo but he can't use it to its fullest potential due to the chakra drain it gives him since he isn't an Uchiha. Imagine if Obito took Kakashi's eye back, it would be stronger than when Kakashi used it since he would be able to use it without the chakra drain.

Again, they already stated that someone without Uchiha blood will experience a larger chakra drain than someone who doesn't, If he had enough Uchiha blood to escape Tsukuyomi then he should have enough to not have to deal with the larger chakra drain, but he doesn't thus he can't escape Tsukuyomi.

All in all, Kakashi isn't an Uchiha so he can't escape Tsukuyomi or use the Sharingan without losing more chakra than an Uchiha would.

 

[Melanee]

If I'm not mistaken, before the panel with their eyes linking, didn't Obito see Rin dying through Kakashi's Sharingan eye? That would mean for a brief moment, Obito had use of both eyes.

 

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[YellowFang]

It isn't Kakashi that he got MS, his eye is Obito's who is Uchiha.., It was Obito's suffering that turned on the MS and Obito's other eye being alive in Kakashi's socket simultaneously converted...
That's all... I think it isn't illogical just that depends on everyones own interpretation...

 

[KidGamer65]

This doesn't even make sense because if that's the case then Kakashi/Obito would have seen everything in each others eyes

It only happened in that instant, Obito isn't linked with his eye anymore. Also, Kakashi can't see out of Obito's eye, Obito is the only one who could see out of Kakashi's eye since it was his eye to being with.

I won't be surprised if the linkage happened due to Kakashi killing Rin as a premise to the Mangekyou awakening in both their eyes.

 

[iSpeak]

This doesn't even make sense because if that's the case then Kakashi/Obito would have seen everything in each others eyes

Obviously they are not 100% linked and they cant see everything the other is doing. But it you believe then having linked eyes to any degree doesn't make sense then you will have to take that up with Kishi as it is shown in the Manga that the eyes are linked to some degree.

 

[Mattyj420]

The second explained that that is the way UCHIHA gain MS Kakashi is not an uchiha

There must be a link to Obitos eye look

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He see's the won he loves the most die in his eye transplanted in someone else the link is there obito lost rin both his eyes changed madara said there real potential comes outwhen there together not inside the same head

 

[Bogard]

Obviously they are not 100% linked and they cant see everything the other is doing. But it you believe then having linked eyes to any degree doesn't make sense then you will have to take that up with Kishi as it is shown in the Manga that the eyes are linked to some degree.

Problem is that Obito said Kakashi

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the Mangekyou. He said it himself. So the manga is clearly contradicting itself and Tobirama's explanation doesn't help here. You need that special chakra to turn you eyes to Sharingan or MS. How can you explain that Kakashi can do it everytime he wants?

 

[Anorien16]

If I'm not mistaken, before the panel with their eyes linking, didn't Obito see Rin dying through Kakashi's Sharingan eye? That would mean for a brief moment, Obito had use of both eyes.

Good point, actually if u notice it: Obito got the use of his lost eye just when Kakashi was supposed to feel great emotional turmoil.... and the MS awakened when both of them was feeling the emotional stress, like a odd sync event..... Plus as I said given the Nature of their MS, S/T rules probably didnt apply to them.

Problem is that Obito said Kakashi

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the Mangekyou. He said it himself. So the manga is clearly contradicting itself and Tobirama's explanation doesn't help here. You need that special chakra to turn you eyes to Sharingan or MS. How can you explain that Kakashi can do it everytime he wants?

He probably had to learn to molds the type of Chakra the eye requires? That would explain why he took so long to learn to use he had MS since childhood.

 

[HadouKage]

Obviously they are not 100% linked and they cant see everything the other is doing. But it you believe then having linked eyes to any degree doesn't make sense then you will have to take that up with Kishi as it is shown in the Manga that the eyes are linked to some degree.

So why wait till now to suddenly do it? They doesn't even make any sense

 

[Hoshi]

Congrats to you sir..........nice find........kishimoto's probably biting his nails now.......

ahno? what if Kakashi has turned like that because of Obito? there eyes are still connected...

 

[HadouKage]

He may have Mangekyo but he can't use it to its fullest potential due to the chakra drain it gives him since he isn't an Uchiha. Imagine if Obito took Kakashi's eye back, it would be stronger than when Kakashi used it since he would be able to use it without the chakra drain.

Again, they already stated that someone without Uchiha blood will experience a larger chakra drain than someone who doesn't, If he had enough Uchiha blood to escape Tsukuyomi then he should have enough to not have to deal with the larger chakra drain, but he doesn't thus he can't escape Tsukuyomi.

All in all, Kakashi isn't an Uchiha so he can't escape Tsukuyomi or use the Sharingan without losing more chakra than an Uchiha would.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate and using what the manga stated, but I guess you're right. I just don't understand because having access to senju cells make you sustain longer so why doesn't having Uchiha blood allow to avoid Tsukuyomi?

 

[Bogard]

He probably had to learn to molds the type of Chakra the eye requires? That would explain why he took so long to learn to use he had MS since childhood.

The special chakra has no relationship with him, but Uchihas. You can't learn to mold a special chakra you can't possess since that special chakra only happens on Uchihas. It's as if you were saying that Kakashi can learn to aquire Kushina's special chakra, no he can't

 

[Mattyj420]

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this might explain it

 

[HadouKage]

Obviously they are not 100% linked and they cant see everything the other is doing. But it you believe then having linked eyes to any degree doesn't make sense then you will have to take that up with Kishi as it is shown in the Manga that the eyes are linked to some degree.

This still doesn't make any sense based off manga fact, it's been proven, Kakashi has access to Obito eye, it's functioning with his body

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Problem is that Obito said Kakashi

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the Mangekyou. He said it himself. So the manga is clearly contradicting itself and Tobirama's explanation doesn't help here. You need that special chakra to turn you eyes to Sharingan or MS. How can you explain that Kakashi can do it everytime he wants?

Nice catch and nice thread. But I'm going to have to disagree of the problem you mention. I honestly see no problem of Obito saying "Kakashi unlocked it on his own". Obito lacked knowledge and couldn't understand the link between the eye. He even thought that he was day dreaming when he saw this:

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From there on he didn't know himself on how it works, so Obito just gave credit to Kakashi "for unlocking it" when actually it was him.

 

[iSpeak]

Problem is that Obito said Kakashi

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the Mangekyou. He said it himself. So the manga is clearly contradicting itself and Tobirama's explanation doesn't help here. You need that special chakra to turn you eyes to Sharingan or MS. How can you explain that Kakashi can do it everytime he wants?

Tobirama was talking about how to awaken the MS, not how to activate it. Its not like you need to kill someone close to you every time you want to use it.
As for what Obito said, he may just not have known about it. But I see what you are saying.

So why wait till now to suddenly do it? They doesn't even make any sense

Ask Kishi not me... I don't write the Manga.

 

[Melanee]

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this might explain it

That's exactly what I said a few posts back! Thanks for finding the pages!

 

[Mattyj420]

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Madara knows the link better than all he said they unleash there full potential when they are together They were close enough when rin died for both to be affected obito did have Senju DNA maybe it amplified his special chakra receptors
this might explain it

 

[Anorien16]

The special chakra has no relationship with him, but Uchihas. You can't learn to mold a special chakra you can't possess since that special chakra only happens on Uchihas. It's as if you were saying that Kakashi can learn to aquire Kushina's special chakra, no he can't

Naruto just molded different patterns of Chakra matching the natures of each unique members of the alliance vanguard, so apparently skilled people can mimic other people's chakra ....... also since every Uchiha have the same type of Chakra it only means the type of chakra required to use Sharingan is generic one not a one person only unique and thus may not be impossible to copy.