[Discussion] Zoro vs Smoker?

[NarutoBmx33]

Dat contradiction

Dat lack of common sense.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Dat lack of common sense.

If you have no trouble then it's not going to be high difficulty, because high difficulty implies troubles(difficulty) is faced. Duh

 

[NarutoBmx33]

If you have no trouble then it's not going to be high difficulty, because high difficulty implies troubles(difficulty) is faced. Duh

To be more clear, Smoker's Devil Fruit ability shouldn't be too much for Zoro. Smoker's other abilities, such as his fighting style, brute strength, and his past experiences in fights, combined with his DF should push Zoro to high diff.
Sorry for not being clear enough

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

To be more clear, Smoker's Devil Fruit ability shouldn't be too much for Zoro. Smoker's other abilities, such as his fighting style, brute strength, and his past experiences in fights, combined with his DF should push Zoro to high diff.
Sorry for not being clear enough

So now you've changed your opinion to: will face trouble and will win high diff

 

[Punk Hazard]

So now you've changed your opinion to: will face trouble and will win high diff

No. He was saying that Smoker will push Zoro to high diff, but not because of his Devil Fruit. He's saying his Devil Fruit wouldn't help much, it's gonna be up to his strength, combat ability, speed, endurance, etc. which happen to be sufficient enough to make it a high diff fight.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

So now you've changed your opinion to: will face trouble and will win high diff

No bro, you're taking it the wrong way.

I'm saying Smoker's DF shouldn't be a problem for Zoro. But Smoker's fighting abilities and speed and such will push Zoro to high diff.
I didn't change my opinion.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No. He was saying that Smoker will push Zoro to high diff, but not because of his Devil Fruit. He's saying his Devil Fruit wouldn't help much, it's gonna be up to his strength, combat ability, speed, endurance, etc. which happen to be sufficient enough to make it a high diff fight.

But we already knew Smoker is shit at using his fruit... Doesn't make a difference to be honest

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Luffy haki is stronger then zoro

Luffy haki was broken by bellamy haki

Bellemy wants to be executive and will get low diff by vergo

Smoker was able to tank vergo haki punches there for he can tank tht level of haki something zoro hasn't shown yet (yes he' has haki ardament but we dnt know what to degree but we do know he's weaker then his captain and his captain recent feats shown he cannot go toe to toe with vergo in haki something smoker did although he did not win... We also know he is portrayed to be we sanji in terms of riverally with strength /combat and we know that sanji wasn't able to handle vergo evenbwithoht haki yet smoker was with haki at least for a periode of time ... This concludes that smoker should have stronger haki and can tank any form of haki zoro can throw out at least for sometime until more feats shown also he can fly away as well to evade it since he's faster at least by PTS feats )

Bellamy's Haki isn't stronger than Luffys dude...

 

[Zorø]

The thing is that we've barely seen anything new of his ability either. I'm sure we'll see more once we see him face off Luffy the next time we see him.

If he had any new abilities why didnt he use it on PH? Lol....Zoro>Smoker high diff and thats being generous .

 

[Hexuze]

If he had any new abilities why didnt he use it on PH? Lol....Zoro>Smoker high diff and thats being generous .

I would assume that Oda would be saving it when he fights Luffy again. An instance where he goes all out and it'd be more fitting for him to show off the new ability/technique against his rival.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If he had any new abilities why didnt he use it on PH? Lol....Zoro>Smoker high diff and thats being generous .

If Zoro had any new powers, why didn't he use it against Fujitora?

 

[Anduril]

People saying Smoker did not give 100% at punk hazards are just fanboys. How can a man not give his hundred percent and be on the brink of death.

Both vergo and doffy outclassed him and if smoker still held back against them, then he certainly was attempting suicide on punk Hazard. Smoker was only good enough as a diversion against vergo and doflamingo. That's his ceiling.

OT: I think zoro takes this mid-diff. As vergo pointed out the fact that smokers body expands only gives refined haki users more area to attack. Zoro's swords would be deadly. + Smoker has not covered his smoke body with Haki.

 

[xanonymosx]

If Zoro had any new powers, why didn't he use it against Fujitora?

oh cmon the difference is as clear as the sun when smoker fought vergo he had his full chance to show every thing yet he got kicked by vergo and left with choice but to be a help tool for law but in zoro`s case there was interruptions , fujitora`s attack is an interruption cause zoro was aiming to dd(sneak attack) and when they were leaving he was going to send an attack he got interrupted by the marines . another thing smoker didnt show any new thing after his defeat against dd so that means he dsnt have any more tricks zoro showed a new thing which is 1080 pound after his fight with fuji
and no even if zoro showed new thing i dont think he can beat fuji

 

[A v i]

If Zoro had any new powers, why didn't he use it against Fujitora?

He didn't fought Fujitora long enough to use new powers against him where as Smoker's case is totally different. He fought Vergo long enough to decide the level of his strength. He was desperate about taking revenge on Vergo and did almost everything he could against Vergo and finally realized that he can't do anything with his own capabilities which is why he decided to take Law's heart from Vergo. so that Law can take care of Vergo.

I admit that we haven't seen all of his new moves but the thing is those unknown abilities of him aren't going to make any difference in his general level. They are not good enough to make a difference in the result of a battle except for the cases when the gap b/w Smoker and his opponent is very small to an extent where even a small factor can make big difference.

We have gotten a hold of what Smoker's general level is after his battle with Vergo and his unknown abilities are not going to put him on a level above his current level. For all we know Smoker is a level below Law and the people on the same level as Law.

But we already knew Smoker is shit at using his fruit... Doesn't make a difference to be honest

If you take a look at some of previous posts, there are people who thinks that Smoker's logia ability would make a difference against Zoro which is why he was saying that it shouldn't be much of a problem for Zoro.

 

[-Akuma-]

Zoro high-dif...yeah Zoro wins U.U

 

[Punk Hazard]

oh cmon the difference is as clear as the sun when smoker fought vergo he had his full chance to show every thing yet he got kicked by vergo and left with choice but to be a help tool for law but in zoro`s case there was interruptions , fujitora`s attack is an interruption cause zoro was aiming to dd(sneak attack) and when they were leaving he was going to send an attack he got interrupted by the marines . another thing smoker didnt show any new thing after his defeat against dd so that means he dsnt have any more tricks zoro showed a new thing which is 1080 pound after his fight with fuji
and no even if zoro showed new thing i dont think he can beat fuji

He didn't fought Fujitora long enough to use new powers against him where as Smoker's case is totally different. He fought Vergo long enough to decide the level of his strength. He was desperate about taking revenge on Vergo and did almost everything he could against Vergo and finally realized that he can't do anything with his own capabilities which is why he decided to take Law's heart from Vergo. so that Law can take care of Vergo.

I admit that we haven't seen all of his new moves but the thing is those unknown abilities of him aren't going to make any difference in his general level. They are not good enough to make a difference in the result of a battle except for the cases when the gap b/w Smoker and his opponent is very small to an extent where even a small factor can make big difference.

We have gotten a hold of what Smoker's general level is after his battle with Vergo and his unknown abilities are not going to put him on a level above his current level. For all we know Smoker is a level below Law and the people on the same level as Law.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying Smoker has techniques or whatever that would make him win, I'm just saying that he may have moves we haven't seen due to his fight with Vergo having a lot off-panel moments that could make us think differently of his fighting prowess.

 

[Hexuze]

People saying Smoker did not give 100% at punk hazards are just fanboys. How can a man not give his hundred percent and be on the brink of death.

Both vergo and doffy outclassed him and if smoker still held back against them, then he certainly was attempting suicide on punk Hazard. Smoker was only good enough as a diversion against vergo and doflamingo. That's his ceiling.

OT: I think zoro takes this mid-diff. As vergo pointed out the fact that smokers body expands only gives refined haki users more area to attack. Zoro's swords would be deadly. + Smoker has not covered his smoke body with Haki.

You do realize that Smoker kept increasing the surface area of his body to get Law's heart back, right? It's not like we would do that if he was seriously battling with Vergo. Even Vergo was questioning why he kept increasing the SA of his body. Seriously, it feels like so many people didn't read the PH arc properly or just forgot about it (which is unlikely).

Proof, bottom panel:

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Just because we believe that he didn't go all out doesn't make us a fanboy either. Tbh, I'm more of a fan of Zoro than Smoker.

 

[A v i]

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying Smoker has techniques or whatever that would make him win, I'm just saying that he may have moves we haven't seen due to his fight with Vergo having a lot off-panel moments that could make us think differently of his fighting prowess.

I agree with you and I believe that there are moves that weren't used against Vergo up his sleeve but they are not going to make much difference as I said before.

 

[OG sama]

I say Zoro wins, the fact that Smoker is going to be gone for a few arcs and not showcasing new feats leads me to believe he didn't have any thing new to show on PH, and even if he had more DF abilities up his sleeve, I don't see how it would help much.

Zoro specializes in BH, so I'm going to assume his Koka is strong. So I give him the win and especially if he adds it to his swords.

 

[Kai NB]

Zoro wins