[Discussion] Zoro vs Smoker?

[Hexuze]

@TheHokage The only reason why I insisted on talking to him was because he was denying manga facts. He's a delusional Smoker hater. I'll leave him alone and lmao @ him thinking that I'm some Smoker fanboy.

 

[SakuraHarunoHaterSlayer]

Zoro stomps! Haki will allow his attacks to damage Smoker! Intangibility is neutralized! Smoker is fodder

 

[OG sama]

Don't know why you guys still arguing. The fact that Smoker is going to be gone for a few arcs, and hasn't shown anything new with his DF should tell you the Smoker on PH didnt have new feats.

But theres no doubt he's going to return and become a true rival for Luffy and Law. No one should deny this.

 

[SSS12]

Roronoa will take it.

 

[Anduril]

@TheHokage The only reason why I insisted on talking to him was because he was denying manga facts. He's a delusional Smoker hater. I'll leave him alone and lmao @ him thinking that I'm some Smoker fanboy.

I actually like smoker very much. And I am not the one denying manga facts it is you. Which is very clear from this conversation,

I already proved smoker went all out >_> you are just not inclined to acknowledge it. If smoker could take down vergo he would have done it himself, since it was outside his code of honour to accept help from a pirate. So if he could, he would have. Meaning Smoker understood he could not defeat vergo.
And how can a person know if he can or cannot defeat someone unless he goes at him with his full strength behind his attacks. (Both mental and physical strength)

People hold back when they know the job can be done with less amount of energy. (Is that so difficult to understand)



I think I summed up why smoker did give his 100% and turned out a looser in the above post, which was the whole point of this discussion.

Lol Look... Smoker gave up the intention of kicking his ass therefore he didn't go all out. How would that make it an all out fight for Smoker if he gave up half way? The second half of the fight wasn't even him trying to kick Vergo's ass, he wanted to help Law. Giving up half way isn't going all out, that's all you need to know and that's the end of the discussion.

Ok you need to define what you mean by all out >_>
"All out" according to me is when you have used all of your strongest attacks that would work against your opponent. And smoker did the very same and it had no effect on vergo, therefore he gave the baton to law.

I think all-out for you means one dies. That is wrong. Beacause this is not Naruto or some chi based manga where you use your life force to create chakra or other such stupid energy boosts.

How can you say that those are Smoker's strongest attacks? We've barely seen anything new out of his DF post-TS. So really you got nothing to base this on. All we've seen him use was deliver haki blows and clash a couple of times with Vergo. Listen to this because it seems like you're avoiding it... If you're giving up half way then you're not going all out. It's not like Smoker was seriously injured before passing the baton to Law, so I wouldn't call this an all out fight. (he was pretty exhausted that's all but no where close to passing out)

An all out fight is showing your full potential (strongest attacks) and fighting to the end, either death or passing out. Smoker has yet to show us the potential of his DF so you have no right to say it's an all out fight for Smoker. Even pre-TS nothing was really shown from his DF that can be seen as "powerful".

You just don't want to give up on smoker. That's exactly what fanboys do. Just because you expect him to show new smoke attacks does not mean he canonically has the same. Ironically I have based my reason firmly and you have based you reasons on your expectation about how strong smoker should have gotten in 2 years.

Smoker is the last chrachter I would want to hate. Perhaps that nuro nuro guy and the tenryubito at sabaody. Apart from that I hardly hate any one piece charachter.

 

[Hexuze]

You didn't prove anything. The only thing that you proved was that you didn't read the PH arc.

 

[Anduril]

You didn't prove anything. The only thing that you proved was that you didn't read the PH arc.

That's just you bro. (and perhaps some other fans)

 

[Hexuze]

That's just you bro. (and perhaps some other fans)

Nah, it's you. You were contradicting yourself and denying manga facts.

 

[Anduril]

Nah, it's you. You were contradicting yourself and denying manga facts.

Anyone who reads this will know who's basing their arguments on what they want and what is shown in the manga

Spoiler

I already proved smoker went all out >_> you are just not inclined to acknowledge it. If smoker could take down vergo he would have done it himself, since it was outside his code of honour to accept help from a pirate. So if he could, he would have. Meaning Smoker understood he could not defeat vergo.
And how can a person know if he can or cannot defeat someone unless he goes at him with his full strength behind his attacks. (Both mental and physical strength)

People hold back when they know the job can be done with less amount of energy. (Is that so difficult to understand)



I think I summed up why smoker did give his 100% and turned out a looser in the above post, which was the whole point of this discussion.

Lol Look... Smoker gave up the intention of kicking his ass therefore he didn't go all out. How would that make it an all out fight for Smoker if he gave up half way? The second half of the fight wasn't even him trying to kick Vergo's ass, he wanted to help Law. Giving up half way isn't going all out, that's all you need to know and that's the end of the discussion.

Ok you need to define what you mean by all out >_>
"All out" according to me is when you have used all of your strongest attacks that would work against your opponent. And smoker did the very same and it had no effect on vergo, therefore he gave the baton to law.

I think all-out for you means one dies. That is wrong. Beacause this is not Naruto or some chi based manga where you use your life force to create chakra or other such stupid energy boosts.

How can you say that those are Smoker's strongest attacks? We've barely seen anything new out of his DF post-TS. So really you got nothing to base this on. All we've seen him use was deliver haki blows and clash a couple of times with Vergo. Listen to this because it seems like you're avoiding it... If you're giving up half way then you're not going all out. It's not like Smoker was seriously injured before passing the baton to Law, so I wouldn't call this an all out fight. (he was pretty exhausted that's all but no where close to passing out)

An all out fight is showing your full potential (strongest attacks) and fighting to the end, either death or passing out. Smoker has yet to show us the potential of his DF so you have no right to say it's an all out fight for Smoker. Even pre-TS nothing was really shown from his DF that can be seen as "powerful".

You just don't want to give up on smoker. That's exactly what fanboys do. Just because you expect him to show new smoke attacks does not mean he canonically has the same. Ironically I have based my reason firmly and you have based you reasons on your expectation about how strong smoker should have gotten in 2 years.

But I will call it quits here.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

We've seen the full limits of Smoker's strength by now.
Just saiyan

 

[Hexuze]

We've seen the full limits of Smoker's strength by now.
Just saiyan

We've rarely seen any new techniques out of his DF post-TS. Yup, we've definitely seen his full limits.

/sarcasm

Edit: Just checked the wiki for Smoker's DF, we've actually seen nothing new.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We've rarely seen any new techniques out of his DF post-TS. Yup, we've definitely seen his full limits.

/sarcasm

Edit: Just checked the wiki for Smoker's DF, we've actually seen nothing new.

We don't have the full knowledge on him, but we know his limits. We know he cannot defeat Law or Vergo.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

We've rarely seen any new techniques out of his DF post-TS. Yup, we've definitely seen his full limits.

/sarcasm

Edit: Just checked the wiki for Smoker's DF, we've actually seen nothing new.

He may have new techniques but we know his limit. New techniques won't help him pass that limit, his overall strength has to change for his limit to increase.

 

[TheFiveElements]

Zoro takes this high diff... I'm being generous to Smoker here, he got his ass whooped by Vergo and Law. In fact Law was toying with him half the time, Smoker made a small come back by the end of the fight, but in the end he was outclassed. Zoro is one of the greatest swordsmen in the world already, smoker will lose nuff said...