[Discussion] Zoro vs Crocodile

[Love Cook]

Why wouldn't he? You're telling me there's no conceivable scenario that Zoro wouldn't jump to avoid contact with the desert?

But how long would that save him from contact with the sand ? He can't fly. He jumps, avoids 2 seconds of contact and lands again. Totally useless.

His conscience is connected to the entire thing as long as he is part of it. Vergo confirmed it in that manga page, Logia powers create a greater surface area and target. Let's say Crocodile creates a Desert: Heavy and tosses it, or a Sables, or a Spada, and Zoro slices them, it wouldn't harm him because he's not connected to it. But if Crocodile has a stream of sand coming from his body that is attached to his body, and Zoro cuts it, it would cause him pain. If you have an issue with it, take it up with Oda, he wrote it, not me, so it's not speculation. You don't know whether or not Luffy punching the sand caused any discomfort to Crocodile because Crocodile's face wasn't shown until he was already being struck by the Gatling.

That's not true. I don't believe for a second that when Croc uses sand as a weapon it would still hurt him when it's being cut off. Because that is not his body after all. Oda also never confirmed that in the manga, so don't bullshit me. Even if it would cause discomfort, it wouldn't be able to damage him because his actual body doesn't receive damage and he can reform himself as a logia back together again.

When Smoker extended himself you could clearly see that the smoke was part of him and his 'limbs' were stretching. Vergo said that he increased his surface area by doing that. But Smoker was using his own smoke to expend himself. Crocodile can borrow sand from all around him.

Busoshoku Haki allows you to strike Logias as though they have a physical body. When a Logia ¨streams¨ their element out from their own body, such as Smoker's smoke or Crocodile's sand, and it's attached, it counts as part of their body, so a Busoshoku Haki user can strike that as though it was a physical body. This was, once again, confirmed in that Vergo scan earlier.

And why is it speculation for Zoro to jump up, and speculation for O Tatsumaki to be able to spin on its side, but it's not speculation to say Crocodile can merge with the desert and travel underground in the first place? This entire thread is gonna be speculation for the most part. If it's too much to speculate that Zoro would jump, then it's far too much to say Croco can burrow underground and become one with the desert.

It's speculation for Zoro to jump because you make him do something unlikely where crocodile does nothing like a fool and gets cut up. Jumping up would do nothing because he can't jump high and long and it would do nothing for him. It's like saying:" Crocodile immediately goes underground while Zoro looks around for him, he grabs his ankle from below and sucks the water out of him".

You can't say that a fight goes down like that because it's unlikely.

If Crocodile creates more surface area with sand that isn't his, and it gets cut off with CoA haki then it wouldn't have any effect on his original body.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But how long would that save him from contact with the sand ? He can't fly. He jumps, avoids 2 seconds of contact and lands again. Totally useless.



That's not true. I don't believe for a second that when Croc uses sand as a weapon it would still hurt him when it's being cut off. Because that is not his body after all. Oda also never confirmed that in the manga, so don't bullshit me. Even if it would cause discomfort, it wouldn't be able to damage him because his actual body doesn't receive damage and he can reform himself as a logia back together again.

When Smoker extended himself you could clearly see that the smoke was part of him and his 'limbs' were stretching. Vergo said that he increased his surface area by doing that. But Smoker was using his own smoke to expend himself. Crocodile can borrow sand from all around him.



It's speculation for Zoro to jump because you make him do something unlikely where crocodile does nothing like a fool and gets cut up. Jumping up would do nothing because he can't jump high and long and it would do nothing for him. It's like saying:" Crocodile immediately goes underground while Zoro looks around for him, he grabs his ankle from below and sucks the water out of him".

You can't say that a fight goes down like that because it's unlikely.

If Crocodile creates more surface area with sand that isn't his, and it gets cut off with CoA haki then it wouldn't have any effect on his original body.

Yeah, no, there's no way the guy that could lift four tons with his feet pre-skip is gonna stay off of the ground for just two seconds, he's gonna be airbourne for way longer. And jumping isn't unlikely, it's a completely normal thing to do, we've seen Zoro jumping with attacks before.

There's nothing that indicates that once Crocodile mixes with the sand, he doesn't bond/become attached to it wholly. Call it bullshit if you want, but the manga has established that what a Logia creates is an extension of themselves when connected to their bodies. If Crocodile connects with the desert, it'd become a giant connection of himself due to the sand he creates when transforming mixing with the desert.

That scenario you provided actually CAN happen though.