[Discussion] Zoro>>>>>>>>Smoker

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Any signs of Sanji being effected or struggling to an extent where those wound can actually effect his fight?

How about the fracture he got from fighting Vergo?

Ever heard of a compound fracture? Should probably look it up if not

-He also didn't use Hells Memories -> Not full power by a longshot

It doesn't matter matter from where it is coming from. It's a fact and if you think it's not then prove me wrong with a decent argument.

Here are the feats of Zoro that puts him above Smoker.

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Now give me some feats of Smoker,before complaining about how I am fanboying Zoro.

Have you ever considered the fact different people have different destructive capabilities which make little difference in terms of 1v1 strength?

If you were worth the effort then I would, but since you're accusing me of being a fanboy regardless of your own username or the fact you consistently claim Zoro mid or low diffs Sanji (his f*cking rival), it's clear that your bias is incomparable to anyone on this forum.

I'll list a few though

1. Would've defeated Law in a few seconds if it wasn't for the fact that Law could switch places with other objects
2. Law, being portrayed as Luffy's equal (therefore > Zoro) had to blindside Smoker to defeat him, even then Law was pretty beaten
3. Smoker is faster than a sprinting G2 Luffy -> When they tried to find Caesar: Luffy (base) = Zoro in speed, yet in G2 he's multiple times faster

So yeah:
Zoro > Smoker in terms of destruction
Smoker > Zoro in speed and skill, agility etc.

They're still equal. Zoro is no stronger than he was on Fishman Island cause he's already shown similar feats, you're just too stupid to realize nothing changed. If you want proof just look for my post on this weeks chapter thread

 

[A v i]

How about the fracture he got from fighting Vergo?

Ever heard of a compound fracture? Should probably look it up if not

-He also didn't use Hells Memories -> Not full power by a longshot

I don't get your point here. I said he wasn't beaten by Cease to an extent where it'd effect his battle with Vergo. Sanji's leg was cracked by Vergo because Vergo is stronger. It doesn't matter if he didn't use all of his attacks the fact that he's below Vergo remains the same. If Joker beats Luffy before Luffy can pull all of his attacks then it means that Joker is too strong for Luffy. Same can be said to Sanji as well. It's true that we didn't get to see everything he could do but his new moves aren't going to change the fact that he's below Vergo.

Have you ever considered the fact different people have different destructive capabilities which make little difference in terms of 1v1 strength?

It's true if we are talking about people that are only good for pulling large scale attacks. But Zoro's case is different. He's a skilled fighter and has far more DC than Smoker.

If you were worth the effort then I would, but since you're accusing me of being a fanboy regardless of your own username or the fact you consistently claim Zoro mid or low diffs Sanji (his f*cking rival), it's clear that your bias is incomparable to anyone on this forum.

I'll list a few though

1. Would've defeated Law in a few seconds if it wasn't for the fact that Law could switch places with other objects
2. Law, being portrayed as Luffy's equal (therefore > Zoro) had to blindside Smoker to defeat him, even then Law was pretty beaten

That first point never happened in manga so it's going to change nothing. He was badly beaten by Vergo where as Vergo received same treatment from Law. It's clear as hell that Smoker is no match for Law. How can anything possibly think that he can beat Law? Still you think he can beat Law and you are saying that bias is above anyone else? Lmao, not sure if serious. About that second point the fact that he let Law out smart him which proves that he isn't a capable dude.

3. Smoker is faster than a sprinting G2 Luffy -> When they tried to find Caesar: Luffy (base) = Zoro in speed, yet in G2 he's multiple times faster



So yeah:
Zoro > Smoker in terms of destruction
Smoker > Zoro in speed and skill, agility etc.

They're still equal. Zoro is no stronger than he was on Fishman Island cause he's already shown similar feats, you're just too stupid to realize nothing changed. If you want proof just look for my post on this weeks chapter thread

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I want to see that scan. Even if has that level of speed it's not going to change anything. We know what happened to a speed star like Vergo against someone who has good striking speed. Zoro displayed god like striking speed in recent chapter so his speed won't help him against Zoro. He's receive even worse treatment than Vergo.

 

[Bogard]

Btw, How much bigger do you think Noah is when compared to Pica's golem?

Apparently someone already rated it and these were the results(would provide link if you want)

Noah

- 3135.6m for the width of Noah
- 1932.9m for the height of Noah

Pica

- 2502.44m for the height of Pica
- 1267.63m for the torso

Wow it seems they are actually not as far apart as i originally thought and the funniest thing is that Zoro's initial cut reached 11.5 megatons when Luffy's feat was roughly 3 megatons

 

[OG sama]

Are there people seriously trying to say Zoro=Smoker? When Smoker has shown nothing putting him on equal grounds with him? Damn ppl like to say Zoro is overrated but ppl still wont acknowledge his feats and that he's a ****in SN, just like his captain and Law. What has Smoker shown that suggest he has the right to be even with Zoro?

Zoro has shown feats no short of Law, but yet people think him and Smoker are equal? Zoro is as much overrated as he is underrated. People seem to be forgetting Zoro is a SN for a reason.

 

[Hexuze]

Are there people seriously trying to say Zoro=Smoker? When Smoker has shown nothing putting him on equal grounds with him? Damn ppl like to say Zoro is overrated but ppl still wont acknowledge his feats and that he's a ****in SN, just like his captain and Law. What has Smoker shown that suggest he has the right to be even with Zoro?

Zoro has shown feats no short of Law, but yet people think him and Smoker are equal? Zoro is as much overrated as he is underrated. People seem to be forgetting Zoro is a SN for a reason.

Destructive feats. isn't going to guarantee a victory. Smoker is heavily underrated, especially when people go as far to say he's equal to Sanji. Smoker has shown more feats than Zoro has. The true feat Zoro has only shown were the fight with the kraken and Pica really. We've seen how good Smoker's durability/endurance was during the PH arc, he had 2 fights during that arc (one with Law & second with Vergo, plus he took a beating from Doflamingo). His jabs/punches were doing more damage than Sanji's DJ against Vergo. He displayed pretty good feats and I would say he would of been able to push Vergo to high diff. if he had gone all out. I don't think PH was a fair representation of Smoker's "training" during the TS, we've literally saw nothing new out of his DF.

The SN title isn't much of a feat to brag about in a 1v1 fight since it's based on people who have a 100m bounty once they reached sabaody. These discussions are pretty pointless, so what I'll do is wait till we see him fight Luffy. As for now, my opinion is that Smoker is stronger than Zoro or at the very least equal.

 

[Anduril]

Agreed.

Lol I think this week will be enough. At least no one's saying he's admiral level. xD

I think your user name should be changed to "Admiral level". This is the second time I have seen you use the same jibe in two different threads lol, you can even give Bajram a run for his money

 

[Hexuze]

I think your user name should be changed to "Admiral level". This is the second time I have seen you use the same jibe in two different threads lol, you can even give Bajram a run for his money

Sure if only you change your name first to "yonko level".

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Destructive feats. isn't going to guarantee a victory. Smoker is heavily underrated, especially when people go as far to say he's equal to Sanji. Smoker has shown more feats than Zoro has. The true feat Zoro has only shown were the fight with the kraken and Pica really. We've seen how good Smoker's durability/endurance was during the PH arc, he had 2 fights during that arc (one with Law & second with Vergo, plus he took a beating from Doflamingo). His jabs/punches were doing more damage than Sanji's DJ against Vergo. He displayed pretty good feats and I would say he would of been able to push Vergo to high diff. if he had gone all out. I don't think PH was a fair representation of Smoker's "training" during the TS, we've literally saw nothing new out of his DF.

The SN title isn't much of a feat to brag about in a 1v1 fight since it's based on people who have a 100m bounty once they reached sabaody. These discussions are pretty pointless, so what I'll do is wait till we see him fight Luffy. As for now, my opinion is that Smoker is stronger than Zoro or at the very least equal.

Really? Last time I checked, Zoro had more feats, unless you count being shat on by Law and Vergo a feat.

 

[Hexuze]

Really? Last time I checked, Zoro had more feats, unless you count being shat on by Law and Vergo a feat.

Really? Last time I checked, Smoker had more feats, unless you count being shat on by the Yeti Cool brothers a feat.

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[Anduril]

Really? Last time I checked, Smoker had more feats, unless you count being shat on by the Yeti Cool brothers a feat.

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I think creating smoke is not a feat. Just sayin xD

 

[Hexuze]

I think creating smoke is not a feat. Just sayin xD

I think getting lost is not a feat. Just sayin xD

 

[LitzSabr]

Apparently someone already rated it and these were the results(would provide link if you want)

Noah

- 3135.6m for the width of Noah
- 1932.9m for the height of Noah

Pica

- 2502.44m for the height of Pica
- 1267.63m for the torso

Wow it seems they are actually not as far apart as i originally thought and the funniest thing is that Zoro's initial cut reached 11.5 megatons when Luffy's feat was roughly 3 megatons

Damn thats huge. Where do you think his DC goes? All that and still no Asura
Btw do send me a link of that calc

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Really? Last time I checked, Smoker had more feats, unless you count being shat on by the Yeti Cool brothers a feat.

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That was a sneak attack. Abdullah and Jeet ambushed and negged a Doflamingo clone, so I guess they are M3 Level. All Smoker did was throw around a few punches that barely even did anything to Vergo. Please show me some of these feats that you are talking about.

 

[Magi]

We did not need the last chapter to confirm this though

^^^This

 

[Hexuze]

That was a sneak attack. Abdullah and Jeet ambushed and negged a Doflamingo clone, so I guess they are M3 Level. All Smoker did was throw around a few punches that barely even did anything to Vergo. Please show me some of these feats that you are talking about.

You tried giving a smart ass response so I did the same.

Yeah a few punches that barely did anything:

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Did people forget about this? It seems like people only just remember that Law took Smoker's heart out.

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[Bogard]

Damn thats huge. Where do you think his DC goes? All that and still no Asura
Btw do send me a link of that calc

Zoro/Pica:

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arutoforums.com/blog.php?b=25238
Noah:

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arutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15349
Luffy:

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arutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17962

 

[Amaterasu]

Smoker doesn't has more feats than Zoro, what is this BS ?

We've seen Zoro (a main char) ten times more than Smoker, and ten times more fights than Smoker too.

 

[Hexuze]

Smoker doesn't has more feats than Zoro, what is this BS ?

We've seen Zoro (a main char) ten times more than Smoker, and ten times more fights than Smoker too.

Yeah ofc. I'm talking about post-TS specifically. Smoker showed feats with Vergo/Law & showed his durability feats with what happened with Doffy. Zoro really had two fights post-TS and the one at FI wasn't that impressive.

 

[Amaterasu]

Yeah ofc. I'm talking about post-TS specifically. Smoker showed feats with Vergo/Law & showed his durability feats with what happened with Doffy. Zoro really had two fights post-TS and the one at FI wasn't that impressive.

Zoro was pressed by Fujitora's gravity tech but still could use his technique (Ashura apparently). and I'm not gonna talk of his last chapter feat which is better than any Smoker's feat.
What happened with Doffy ? He got negged real hard. Plus Zoro would have done better against Vergo

 

[Hexuze]

Zoro was pressed by Fujitora's gravity tech but still could use his technique (Ashura apparently). and I'm not gonna talk of his last chapter feat which is better than any Smoker's feat.
What happened with Doffy ? He got negged real hard. Plus Zoro would have done better against Vergo

Yeah, that too but that doesn't prove Zoro > Smoker. Did you not read my post? It shows his durability, seeing how he fought with Law & took a beating from Vergo. He probably could but the difference won't be that big. Out of curiosity, what difficulty do you think Zoro would have if he fights Smoker.