[Discussion] Zoro>Sanji in character development

[Punk Hazard]

I would like you to tell me why Zoro is not VA.

Only reason you can tell me is that the crew has never called him as their VA. Even if he is not considered as VA. He has been portrayed to be the second in command of crew.

Yes, Nami has taken initiate like Zoro and Sanji decided to sacrifice his life just like Zoro So,what? Can you name a SH who did both?
All the Strawhats risk their lives each and every day just being part of Luffy's crew. All of their adventures put their lives at risk. Every single Strawhat would sacrifice themselves in the same way if they were in that spot.
Second strongest in crew.
And? Vice-captain doesn't have to be the second strongest.

Takes lead if needed.
Nami has done that and Sanji is currently doing that.
Loyal to his captain and is better than other crew member in this regard.
False. Every single crew member would die for Luffy and the crew. Shit, look at Brook. He had JUST joined and threw himself in front of Kuma to protect Usopp and Sanji. All of the Strawhats have had chances to completely abandon Luffy and the crew. How many of them have?
Everyone considers him as VA.
Fanboys(Barto being the only fanboy in the manga) and Urouge. Wow, that's everyone now, eh?
First on to join the crew(I admit that it isn't valid point).

If you can name someone who can match these qualities then I'll admit that he's not VA. He may not be official VA of SH's but Zoro clearly holds that position.

The only quality that ins't matched by another Strawhat is being second strongest.

Zoro puts pride over everything but later he learned that there are things that are more important than his pride in his life.

Zoro has never been a person to put his pride over everything else. He's cried in front of others and Zoro flatly just doesn't care what other people think of him.

Refuted in bold. You citing nothing but reasons that can be refuted is just as bad as me not giving any reasons as to why he isn't VA. But I do have a reason. And it's because Luffy isn't the type of person to rank his friends.

 

[A v i]

Refuted in bold. You citing nothing but reasons that can be refuted is just as bad as me not giving any reasons as to why he isn't VA. But I do have a reason. And it's because Luffy isn't the type of person to rank his friends.

That dosen't mean that Zoro can't be their VA. If Luffy won't use ranks he wouldn't consider himself as a captain and won't put titles on the heads of other crew member such as doctor,cook and Sniper etc.

As I said b4,only thing you can tell me is that they don't call him their VA which holds no value as an argument.

saying some u want some one who has all the quality's of zoro to be vice cap means that ur just a big zoro fanboy.

Wtf is this nonsense?

Lmao,When we have no argument then lets call them fanboys and run away.hmm

different people have different quality's .sanjis' quality's are much better the zoro's quality's for a vice captian .and u didn't even point out where zoro took the lead in any situation so i'm gonna tell in for.

Yes,different people has different qualities and Zoro is the only one that has better qualities as a VA when compared to other members which is why Zoro is the VA.

Main quality to be VA is to be second strongest according to OP standards and Zoro is clearly stronger than Sanji and is second strongerst in crew.

zoro took the lead in usoop leaving the crew situation but the fact remains that sanji was the only one who supported it without complain.yeah that is the only part zoro took a lead of a situation but he often inspires the crew through words.still if zoro were to take the command of the crew when luffy's not there and when they are in a bad situation.the crew is fuc*ed.what's he gonna do badass them out of trouble.although zoro isn't stupid(just bad at directions)he isn't clever/ smart.the guy has no technical capabilities and isn't that knowledgeable either.sanji is strong,intelligent,has experience in leading and a technical genius.he has already saved the crews life a couple of times.

Name one situation when the crew was f**ed up because of Zoro's lead or Name a situation when crew was saved by Sanji's intelligence. Sanji is better than Zoro only interms of intelligence and Zoro did more than what you have mentioned about Sanji.

Luffy already assigned a status for Sanji. He's the cook and he'll be their cook till the end as Zoro holds the position of VA.hmm

 

[Punk Hazard]

That dosen't mean that Zoro can't be their VA. If Luffy won't use ranks he wouldn't consider himself as a captain and won't put titles on the heads of other crew member such as doctor,cook and Sniper etc.

As I said b4,only thing you can tell me is that they don't call him their VA which holds no value as an argument.





Wtf is this nonsense?

Lmao,When we have no argument then lets call them fanboys and run away.hmm




Yes,different people has different qualities and Zoro is the only one that has better qualities as a VA when compared to other members which is why Zoro is the VA.

Main quality to be VA is to be second strongest according to OP standards and Zoro is clearly stronger than Sanji and is second strongerst in crew.




Name one situation when the crew was f**ed up because of Zoro's lead or Name a situation when crew was saved by Sanji's intelligence. Sanji is better than Zoro only interms of intelligence and Zoro did more than what you have mentioned about Sanji.

Luffy already assigned a status for Sanji. He's the cook and he'll be their cook till the end as Zoro holds the position of VA.hmm

That's also not true. Title doesn't equal rank. And the crew needs an ultimate authority.

Those reasons do mean he isn't VA since they refute your points.

 

[xanonymosx]

i dont think vc thing applys to straw hats crrently VC has main 2 things :

1\taking the captin place when the captin is missing :

zoro: took the lead at the Ryugu Palace\sea train

sanji: is taking the lead now
ironicly at those moments sanji and zoro were not in the same place so we dont know who is going to take the lead (i dont think any one will accept to be an underling to the other)

nami : she only makes orders cause she is the navigator

ussop: hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm

2\being a consulter and provide advices to the captin: we all know that is pointless cause luffy dsnt give a flying goat to the other`s opinions he will just do what he want

 

[Bogard]

I have clearly said that I want someone that can full fill all the qualities of Zoro not few of them.

Nami can take the lead so what? Is Nami as strong as Zoro? No. Can she save other members ass? No
Same goes for other members as well.They can match single quality of Zoro not all of them so using them as an argument can't help you here.

Luffy - Cap
Sanji - Cook
Chopper - Doctor.
Nami -Navigator.
Robin : Archaeologist.
Usipp - Sniper
Brook - Musician
Franky- Shipwright.


Now tell me which status is empty in crew? Yes, the vice cap.

Tell me who's the dude without any status in crew? Yes,Zoro.

This guys gets it. And to add to this i'd like to point out the fact that Zoro is basically the one responsible for recruiting crewmates like Sanji, Nami or Franky. He is basically the basement of this crew. People who can't see this are just pathetic and in denial. But there is no need to go into an argument with them. Oda already put up the basis into the claim Zoro is the vice-captain. It's just a question of time before these people who cling onto so pitful/irrelevant arguments will give up themselves. Sooner they will give up, the better it will be

 

[U mAd]

This guys gets it. And to add to this i'd like to point out the fact that Zoro is basically the one responsible for recruiting crewmates like Sanji, Nami or Franky. He is basically the basement of this crew. People who can't see this are just pathetic and in denial. But there is no need to go into an argument with them. Oda already put up the basis into the claim Zoro is the vice-captain. It's just a question of time before these people who cling onto so pitful/irrelevant arguments will give up themselves. Sooner they will give up, the better it will be

sanji is leading half of the crew against a yanko. can't be any more V CAP then that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

sanji is leading half of the crew against a yanko. can't be any more V CAP then that.

Bogard is delusional when it comes to this topic. No use in even acknowledging him.

 

[Bogard]

sanji is leading half of the crew against a yanko. can't be any more V CAP then that.

Without Zoro and Luffy's presence, the third strongest takes the lead of course. I'm talking about when either of them is there however

 

[U mAd]

Without Zoro and Luffy's presence, the third strongest takes the lead of course. I'm talking about when either of them is there however

still that's more Vice Cap then zoro ever was.

luffy was about to say something stupid to usoop regarding the argument about merry so sanji kicked luffy while zoro just stood there.took the lead there if luffy said it taking usoop back would have been a lot tougher then it initially was.took the lead kicked the captian and prevented him from making a mistake.again that's a lot more v cap then just saying some words like zoro.

well sanji and zoro can't be together in arcs cause zoro runs off and gets lost until the fights begin every time while sanji does some plaining/gathering intel leading a part of crew/strange groups They meet and sometimes saving other crewmate's asses.

just ask yoursef if the crew was in an unknown island with powerful opponents with unknown power/tricks and traps waiting for them and luffy was not around who would they follow.sanji or zoro.

 

[Bogard]

still that's more Vice Cap then zoro ever was.

Zoro took the lead similarly in the Ryugu palace

just ask yoursef if the crew was in an unknown island with powerful opponents with unknown power/tricks and traps waiting for them and luffy was not around who would they follow.sanji or zoro.

Zoro and Oda already made that clear

- Zoro's group:

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- Zoro's side:

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- Zoro's gang:

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- Zoro and the others:

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- Zoro illustrated for the strawhats group in the box:

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- Zoro's group:

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Regardless if Sanji was near or not, whenever Zoro is with someone outside Luffy, the group becomes his group

 

[U mAd]

Zoro took the lead similarly in the Ryugu palace


Zoro and Oda already made that clear

- Zoro's group:

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- Zoro's side:

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- Zoro's gang:

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- Zoro and the others:

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- Zoro illustrated for the strawhats group in the box:

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- Zoro's group:

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Regardless if Sanji was near or not, whenever Zoro is with someone outside Luffy, the group becomes his group

err thats no one's group and stop posting multiple links of the same group and if it was it would be sanji's
sanji decicded to bring kinemon
sanji caught the dragon
sanji rescued kinemon from underwater

 

[Bogard]

err thats no one's group and stop posting multiple links of the same group and if it was it would be sanji's
sanji decicded to bring kinemon
sanji caught the dragon
sanji rescued kinemon from underwater

And the point of this is? The fact remain that in all those links, Sanji was near Zoro and Zoro was always considered above him and the rest. Trying to deny manga pages?

 

[Love Cook]

And the point of this is? The fact remain that in all those links, Sanji was near Zoro and Zoro was always considered above him and the rest. Trying to deny manga pages?

Give it a rest, there is no evidence what so ever to support you facts other than the things you're trying to make up.

End of the day Zoro is just as much as the VC as Chopper is.

The best VC for the sh's would be a combination of Nami, Sanji and Zoro. Brains, strategy and muscle.

Zoro alone would make a bad and irresponsible VC, he would end up getting nakama killed because they can't pull their weight in the dangerous situations he will guide them in.

 

[Bogard]

Give it a rest, there is no evidence what so ever to support you facts other than the things you're trying to make up.

End of the day Zoro is just as much as the VC as Chopper is.

The best VC for the sh's would be a combination of Nami, Sanji and Zoro. Brains, strategy and muscle.

Zoro alone would make a bad and irresponsible VC, he would end up getting nakama killed because they can't pull their weight in the dangerous situations he will guide them in.

Funny how the "no-brainer" was actually the smartest one to lead the fight properly against Oz:

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Besides i like how Luffy lacks all those qualities but he is the captain. Just shows once again how you people don't understand that a leader doesn't always need all that

 

[Punk Hazard]

Funny how the "no-brainer" was actually the smartest one to lead the fight properly against Oz:

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Besides i like how Luffy lacks all those qualities but he is the captain. Just shows once again how you people don't understand that a leader doesn't always need all that

No one is saying a leader needs all of that, but all of your reasons can be applied to another Strawhat or refuted completely, but fanboys hold onto it tighter than a rope if they were drowning.

 

[Love Cook]

Funny how the "no-brainer" was actually the smartest one to lead the fight properly against Oz:

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Besides i like how Luffy lacks all those qualities but he is the captain. Just shows once again how you people don't understand that a leader doesn't always need all that

I'm not getting anymore involved in this discussion after this because it's one big cluster**** of bullshit. I just want to say that again those pages show no leadership. He is standing in front of the group saying that he needs to get Luffy's shadow back. This already shows the irresponsibleness of Zoro as a leader, because there is no way he could do that alone. He needs everybody but he doesn't want to rely on them. He needs the group just as much as the group needs him.

Also no one in the sh's really wants luffy making the decisions because he always picks the most dangerous stuff, it's up to the group to solve his mess, Nami in particular. Luffy is the gimmick silly main charachter who goofballs around when there is time for it, and kicks ass when he needs to. He is basically Goku. In the end it's always Nami/Bulma making the important choices where Luffy/Goku laugh the averted crisis away.

But like I already said, you have no evidence ecxept for those panels you really want to see something in. I can make a list of most SH's where they show more leadership than this, but it would be just as pointless.

 

[Bogard]

I'm not getting anymore involved in this discussion after this because it's one big cluster**** of bullshit. I just want to say that again those pages show no leadership. He is standing in front of the group saying that he needs to get Luffy's shadow back. This already shows the irresponsibleness of Zoro as a leader, because there is no way he could do that alone. He needs everybody but he doesn't want to rely on them. He needs the group just as much as the group needs him.

Also no one in the sh's really wants luffy making the decisions because he always picks the most dangerous stuff, it's up to the group to solve his mess, Nami in particular. Luffy is the gimmick silly main charachter who goofballs around when there is time for it, and kicks ass when he needs to. He is basically Goku. In the end it's always Nami/Bulma making the important choices where Luffy/Goku laugh the averted crisis away.

But like I already said, you have no evidence ecxept for those panels you really want to see something in. I can make a list of most SH's where they show more leadership than this, but it would be just as pointless.

Show me those panels then because i'm pretty sure that you're confusing "listening" with "ordering". Giving directives is not leadership. Nami can give directives about how to handle yourselves during difficult weather conditions, and it's up to Luffy to understand the directives or not, but if Luffy wants to go somewhere(in a far away island), whether Nami wants it or not, she would obey. That's the leadership.

Also, actually Zoro did lead them against Oz. He was giving tasks to practically anyone of them not on those pages but chapters before that. However it wasn't my point. My point was to show you that Zoro on the contrary of what you think is actually smart considering he was a step ahead of everyone there including the ones you think are smarter than him

 

[Love Cook]

Show me those panels then because i'm pretty sure that you're confusing "listening" with "ordering". Giving directives is not leadership. Nami can give directives about how to handle yourselves during difficult weather conditions, and it's up to Luffy to understand the directives or not, but if Luffy wants to go somewhere(in a far away island), whether Nami wants it or not, she would obey. That's the leadership.

Also, actually Zoro did lead them against Oz. He was giving tasks to practically anyone of them not on those pages but chapters before that. However it wasn't my point. My point was to show you that Zoro on the contrary of what you think is actually smart considering he was a step ahead of everyone there including the ones you think are smarter than him

No not showing you anything, how about stay the **** on-topic now. Go to the other 100 "Is Zoro the VC'' threads if you want to pull a dead horse.

 

[Bogard]

No not showing you anything, how about stay the **** on-topic now. Go to the other 100 "Is Zoro the VC'' threads if you want to pull a dead horse.

It's on topic. We're talking about Zoro and Sanji development. Originally i brought up the fact Zoro developped from someone puting his dream above anyone else to becoming Luffy's right hand man before all the Sanji fanboys came to knock on my door and starting the discussion

 

[U mAd]

And the point of this is? The fact remain that in all those links, Sanji was near Zoro and Zoro was always considered above him and the rest. Trying to deny manga pages?

how was he considered above him.how explain.u post those links like they were multiple groups under zoro's leadership but it's just one group running away from a dragon and zoro wasn't even the leader..sanji has had multiple groups under his control already