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but u like akainu.... he's like literally just a guy that punch holes in enemies... sometimes allies.
[Discussion] zoro is overhyped.
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Really don’t get why this thread even exist. Fine. Your thoughts have been heard. Now leave the Roronoa shrine and us in peace, so that we can continue our fangasm on lord Marimo-sama.
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Zoro's not boring, he's just bored. Bored of stomping his way through the new world. You will eat your words come Wano.
long live the pirate hunter.
long live the pirate hunter.
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He killed ace.......made me a huge fan.
Hopes he kills a straw hat too.
and alot more major characters.
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lmfao lololol
i said he will get alot stronger and interesting in wano...he may become a true samurai.
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you don't think you know what the word "edgy" means.
he's a serious character that does his job well.
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i like him because he's a true marine but you keep dodging why you like zoro huh..
i guess zoro has no personality worth liking.
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he cant be a true marine if he alienates them as much as he does. I told u tho, zoro is one badass mofo. meanwhile we got akainu getting his ass whooped by old men having heart attacks and shit.
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He's just extremely powerful after his 2 years training with mihawk
The way he absolutely no diffd everyone on Fishman island, regardless of of they were fodders , like Neptune, he defeated everyone with 0 diff I don't like him that much, but that was awesome. (In the manga)
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I personally dont understand why he's overhyped.
Doesnt seem to be too strong. I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the upcoming arc.
Doesnt seem to be too strong. I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the upcoming arc.
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Not gonna like, Roronoa was the reason I got hooked on OP back in the day, but nowadays he's just not that interesting, I guess. I feel like Oda lost interest in developing Roro at this point and doesn't know what to do with him. Still he's a pretty fun character to follow and see develop into something new every other Arc. Also, I think he would give Akainu a very high Diff fight if they were to fight. Don't Sleep on Roronoa; he's where Katakuri's at right now, very high tier monster. If I were to compare these two, I'd say Kata is Shanks and Roro is Mihawk at Marineford: they're very stronk.
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It's pretty weird to see you guys exemplify your dissatisfaction regarding Zoro's strength, when he's destined to be the Worlds Strongest Swordsman come the end of the manga, Not to mention he's already displayed monstrous techniques without going all out. The boring argument I can entertain, but the strength one? Really?
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Zoro isn't overhyped character wise, but definitely power wise. Many people put his base form on the same level as G4 and yonko commanders on assumption alone. Many also think that Base Zoro med diffs G2/3 Luffy hence, being on par with G4 or YCs....
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After watching JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, specifically part 3/Stardust Crusaders, the reason Zoro is so boring became even more clear. He's the stoic badass, but with little to no traits post-skip to actually supplement this to make him stand out from any other stoic badasses. Characters who have the stoic badass characterization work best either when they're an obstacle to the main characters, or have underlying traits to redeem this characterization. Zoro was never the former, and he's stopped being the latter.
In the case of the latter, Zoro used to have an aura of leadership that was only really exceeded by Nami aboard the ship. And I don't mean that first mate bullshit that fans have deluded themselves into thinking, I mean he was clear-headed and had a clear sense of goal. He wasn't like Usopp or Brook who'd comedically do something that would break himself away from the task at hand. Post-skip, that's changed completely. In Dressrosa, when his sword is taken, he puts their covert mission at risk to chase after it and make a scene. And it's not that chasing after his sword was in of itself wrong, it's just that Oda wrote it in a really weird way since it's out of character for Zoro to create and be in a situation that puts the mission in jeopardy like that.
There's also the case in Zou where Zoro said "**** Sanji," and actually expected the crew to abandon Sanji. His speech in Water 7 with Usopp is such a contrast to his speech on Zou where it was fueled by his petty disdain for Sanji than actually logically assessing the situation. Key point, he says they can't go after Sanji because they'd piss of two Emperors if they do. Except Luffy already pissed Big Mom and Kaido off. And he had no problem with Luffy pissing of an entity that's worse than two Emperors, the World Government, to take back a crewmate who was forced to go with them.
Another thing that made Zoro compelling in spite of just being another stoic badass is that his confidence felt earned and deserved. We saw him train and struggle in his fights, so when he was victorious and his strength was displayed, it was downright human. Now, it's just another stoic badass being arrogant. There's nothing special about it, and this only works for end of series type obstacles or antagonists who are on-off. This makes it harder to be actually invested in Zoro because he's just an end of series characterization we're supposed to be following.
I brought up JoJo because Jotaro, another stoic badass, is an example of what Zoro should be. We don't see him training, and he gets stronger out of nowhere whenever he needs to beat someone, but he's still a vastly entertaining character for pretty much the opposite reasons Zoro isn't. His stoicism is often played for laughs to the point that he's almost a parody of such characters. Even though he's ridiculously strong, he doesn't just go into every fight with "I'm gonna pound you easily." A lot of Jotaro's enemies are shown to be weaker than him in a straight fight, but pose a challenge by having tricky abilities that Jotaro has to get around by being extremely clever and smart before he gets to the stomping part. Zoro just skips straight to the stomping, the closest he's come otherwise is Pica. Jotaro has that underlying, supplementary characterization to support his stoicism, Zoro just has stoicism, and that gets lame as hell quick.
In the case of the latter, Zoro used to have an aura of leadership that was only really exceeded by Nami aboard the ship. And I don't mean that first mate bullshit that fans have deluded themselves into thinking, I mean he was clear-headed and had a clear sense of goal. He wasn't like Usopp or Brook who'd comedically do something that would break himself away from the task at hand. Post-skip, that's changed completely. In Dressrosa, when his sword is taken, he puts their covert mission at risk to chase after it and make a scene. And it's not that chasing after his sword was in of itself wrong, it's just that Oda wrote it in a really weird way since it's out of character for Zoro to create and be in a situation that puts the mission in jeopardy like that.
There's also the case in Zou where Zoro said "**** Sanji," and actually expected the crew to abandon Sanji. His speech in Water 7 with Usopp is such a contrast to his speech on Zou where it was fueled by his petty disdain for Sanji than actually logically assessing the situation. Key point, he says they can't go after Sanji because they'd piss of two Emperors if they do. Except Luffy already pissed Big Mom and Kaido off. And he had no problem with Luffy pissing of an entity that's worse than two Emperors, the World Government, to take back a crewmate who was forced to go with them.
Another thing that made Zoro compelling in spite of just being another stoic badass is that his confidence felt earned and deserved. We saw him train and struggle in his fights, so when he was victorious and his strength was displayed, it was downright human. Now, it's just another stoic badass being arrogant. There's nothing special about it, and this only works for end of series type obstacles or antagonists who are on-off. This makes it harder to be actually invested in Zoro because he's just an end of series characterization we're supposed to be following.
I brought up JoJo because Jotaro, another stoic badass, is an example of what Zoro should be. We don't see him training, and he gets stronger out of nowhere whenever he needs to beat someone, but he's still a vastly entertaining character for pretty much the opposite reasons Zoro isn't. His stoicism is often played for laughs to the point that he's almost a parody of such characters. Even though he's ridiculously strong, he doesn't just go into every fight with "I'm gonna pound you easily." A lot of Jotaro's enemies are shown to be weaker than him in a straight fight, but pose a challenge by having tricky abilities that Jotaro has to get around by being extremely clever and smart before he gets to the stomping part. Zoro just skips straight to the stomping, the closest he's come otherwise is Pica. Jotaro has that underlying, supplementary characterization to support his stoicism, Zoro just has stoicism, and that gets lame as hell quick.