Zetzu is telling Madara what happened... did you notice him?

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naturo9

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i guess madara wants to see all the big fights to see who is the opponent for him from pein vs j-man, itachi vs sasuke, naruto vs pein and to get his advantage.
 

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In this latest manga... Zetzu told Madara that Konan is not coming back... Only way he would have know this was if he was that rock! :) Thats the only moment she revealed her intentions not to stay with Akatsuki.

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I am unsure if you just posted the image in support of the "rock" or to show he was only in the "tree" .... haha.

The page I referenced was showing his statement to Madara, saying that Konan wouldn't be returning... If Zetzu wasn't close enough to hear Konan say that to Naruto... he would have only seen her leave Konoha from a distance...
 

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They were in the forest though, that rock was a part of Konoha's rubble wasn't it?
Atm she said she was leaving they were back on the place were Naruto had beaten the last Pain.
Nonetheless saying that that rock was Zetsu because he knew that Konan was going to leave is no evidence, that argument is incredibly weak:
-First that Konan wouldn't return after Nagato should die is pretty obvious, he was the only reason why she even joined Akatsuki and someone like Tobi or Zetsu, who have been for a long time in Akatsuki, should have known this. Still there is no proof for this.

-Second why would Kishi make such a bad drawing of Zetsu? He could easily have make hem clearer, like in manga 450 when Zetsu is in the tree.

-Third he doesn't need to draw Zetsu in every panel to let us know that he's there. Because he drew Zetsu in manga 450 spying on Konoha, we can deduct that he saw most of the fight, why would he waste time drawing him (in the manga timeline) first on the rocks and then 5 min later on the tree, while he hasn't been spotted during the entire fight.?

You keep claiming that that the rock is 100% Zetsu, but you proof is weak. Don't get me wrong, I don't say he can't be the wrong, but at this point it looks more that the rock is just...a rock.
 

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Hmm that's right, then Yahiko must not have been too close to Konoha or we wouldn't be seeing Naruto in 450 in the forest. Which Zetsu still could've heard everything from that tree.
 

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Hmm that's right, then Yahiko must not have been too close to Konoha or we wouldn't be seeing Naruto in 450 in the forest. Which Zetsu still could've heard everything from that tree.
Naruto was fighting Pain in Konoha, but when Naruto transformed into 8 tailed mode, Pain fled to the forest to get closer to Nagato so that he could use Chibaku Tensei. But by using that technique, he destroyes a part of the forest, so the scenery looks the same as in Konoha.
 

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Atm she said she was leaving they were back on the place were Naruto had beaten the last Pain.
Nonetheless saying that that rock was Zetsu because he knew that Konan was going to leave is no evidence, that argument is incredibly weak:
-First that Konan wouldn't return after Nagato should die is pretty obvious, he was the only reason why she even joined Akatsuki and someone like Tobi or Zetsu, who have been for a long time in Akatsuki, should have known this. Still there is no proof for this.

-Second why would Kishi make such a bad drawing of Zetsu? He could easily have make hem clearer, like in manga 450 when Zetsu is in the tree.

-Third he doesn't need to draw Zetsu in every panel to let us know that he's there. Because he drew Zetsu in manga 450 spying on Konoha, we can deduct that he saw most of the fight, why would he waste time drawing him (in the manga timeline) first on the rocks and then 5 min later on the tree, while he hasn't been spotted during the entire fight.?

You keep claiming that that the rock is 100% Zetsu, but you proof is weak. Don't get me wrong, I don't say he can't be the wrong, but at this point it looks more that the rock is just...a rock.

1. How can you say its pretty obvious? We haven't seen 1 image, not 1 scene, not 1 glimpe of Konan's interraction with Madara/Tobi that would indicate she disagreed with what Akatsuki was doing, and was only doing this for Nagato. She was 1 of the founders! For you to ASSUME this is pretty rediculous.

2. Why the shotty drawing of NOT filling in the white portions? Why leave it that way. Its painstakingly difficult to maintain quality when sketching a "negative image" ie shading around an object... why leave it white, when its sooo easy just not to! I don't think you considered that...

3. Kishi wanted us to enjoy the fight with Naruto and Pein, just like with Naruto and Sasuke. And to worry about "the next chapter" in this saga after the battle was over. Drawing him in the middle of the battle would be distracting.

Zetzu was drawn in the tree, showing that he was now leaving Konoha. In the fight between Sasuke and Itachi... Itachi purposly blew a giant fireball in Zetzu's direction, because he knew Zetzu was there... and it almost fried Zetzu... Why wasn't Zetzu listening from the distance there?!? You are claiming that Zetzu has SUPER HEARING!?!? THAT IS WEAK!
 

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Just so you know the brain interprets things differently.

You listen to a song without lyrics, youll pick up maybe 30-50% of them with good hearing

Have the lyrics in front of you and its easy to hear them.

Same with pictures, especially GRAINY pictures, the brain can make almost ANY image out of a grainy picture (rock), so its not surprising some can see rock and some can see zetsu.

It doesnt matter either way, we know zetsus a spy so him coming out of the rock to spy isnt really something we didnt already know..
 

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1. How can you say its pretty obvious? We haven't seen 1 image, not 1 scene, not 1 glimpe of Konan's interraction with Madara/Tobi that would indicate she disagreed with what Akatsuki was doing, and was only doing this for Nagato. She was 1 of the founders! For you to ASSUME this is pretty rediculous.

2. Why the shotty drawing of NOT filling in the white portions? Why leave it that way. Its painstakingly difficult to maintain quality when sketching a "negative image" ie shading around an object... why leave it white, when its sooo easy just not to! I don't think you considered that...

3. Kishi wanted us to enjoy the fight with Naruto and Pein, just like with Naruto and Sasuke. And to worry about "the next chapter" in this saga after the battle was over. Drawing him in the middle of the battle would be distracting.

Zetzu was drawn in the tree, showing that he was now leaving Konoha. In the fight between Sasuke and Itachi... Itachi purposly blew a giant fireball in Zetzu's direction, because he knew Zetzu was there... and it almost fried Zetzu... Why wasn't Zetzu listening from the distance there?!? You are claiming that Zetzu has SUPER HEARING!?!? THAT IS WEAK!
I think you really need to read better what I said and you also don't understand apparantly.

1: I can't recall that I mentioned that she disagreed with the methods of Akatsuki, I only said she joined Akatsuki because of Nagato and pain said a long time ago that her reason for entering Akatsuki was 'love'. The rest you made up yourself and I said clearly that there was no real proof for my statement! That you even tried to contradict that is sad, you tried to destroy a building while there isn't even a building to destroy

2: Again you are missing my point, if he wanted to make Zetsu an appereance, why so small? He could have done a close up, just like in 450. No, I did not considered why he left a white, cresent-like spot in the drawing, because there could be 1000 reasons for, but you had to pick the one were it resembles Zetsu.

3: What you said here is useless and it can work against you: "That rock is not Zetsu, because Kishi didn't want us to worry about the next chapter". Nonetheless you're right about that drawing him in the middle of the battle would be distracting. But that still doesn't solve my question about why he would make such small drawing of Zetsu in the rock just for the end of the chapter and then some close ups in the next chapter.

4: Why are you even making a comparison with the fight of Sasuke and Itachi? And the stuff of super-hearing is something that you, again, made up yourself. I didn't say anything about that.

And despite all your comments you still haven't given any solid proof that that rock is Zetsu. The only thing you just did was commenting on my comments, but none of those comments make an argument for Zetsu to be the rock and you made stuff up I never said.
 
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