Yes or No. Minato can warp away the susanoo/or user

[UltraPain]

Someone correct me if im wrong, but as far as i remember Minato can warp any chakra that his chakra touches. Him warping Madara's TSB and Naruto+Sasuke while Naruto grabbed him with a chakra arm are the best examples. We've also seen Minato teleport gigantic things like the full sized Kyuubi and a Juubi TBB so I don't see him having a problem warping a susanoo.

The only catch though is that Susanoo has the same chakra as the user and I don't know if Minato could separate the two, meaning he would warp them both. He would also have to get in close and touch the susanoo.

 

[YellowFang]

If he can place his seal on Susanoo at all, it's not a concern if that part of Susanoo can be removed and materialized again because if it's possible, Minato can tag his target w/o getting noticed.

But there was this scenario few years back, don't know if it's still around... That Minato can jump in a Susanoo because he can jump within a certain radius of the seal. So, warping away Susanoo users is a possibility IMO

 

[Simbv]

Separate objects, yes. But not objects connected physically or by chakra.

Minato didn't warp Naruto out of KCM. Minato can't warp someone away without their arm. Minato can't warp someone out of Susano'o because they are physically and spiritually connected to it.

Your argument would be valid if Susano'o was created and then became self-sustaining, but the user physically pours chakra into it at all times to keep it active.

It's like Rasengan vs. Chidori. Minato could warp Naruto away from his own Rasengan because Rasengan is self-sustained and separate from Naruto's chakra. Minato could not warp Sasuke away from his own Chidori because Chidori is not self-sustaining and is connected to Sasuke's chakra at all times.

There is a flaw in the bolded part. The user is spirituality(whatever that means) connected but not physically. That doesn't make sense. The users inside are always floating in Susanoo they are not physically connected. Also, by your logic, when Gaara pulled Madara out of Susanoo with his sand, the whole Susanoo should have been pulled along with him. So i would have to disagree about Minato not being able to teleport the user of Susano alone if that person was marked.

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[The Necromancer]

There is a flaw in the bolded part. The user is spirituality(whatever that means) connected but not physically. That doesn't make sense. The users inside are always floating in Susanoo they are not physically connected. Also, by your logic, when Gaara pulled Madara out of Susanoo with his sand, the whole Susanoo should have been pulled along with him. So i would have to disagree about Minato not being able to teleport the user of Susano alone if that person was marked.

Susano'o is constantly formed. It takes a constant stream of chakra to maintain, meaning it's 100% connected 100% of the time. It doesn't function as a Doton Wall that is independent after formation.

Gaara pinned down the entire construct and pulled the supplier (Madara) out. This all happened so quickly that it could not be totally reformed in time. It is even stated by Gaara that this was due to Onoki lightening the sand to make it quicker. It doesn't mean what I stated wasn't absolute fact.

To believe that Minato can separate two entities of chakra from themselves is to believe that Minato can sever physical entities in half, which means he should be able to simply cut people in half with FTG, which we know he cannot.

 

[Simbv]

Susano'o is constantly formed. It takes a constant stream of chakra to maintain, meaning it's 100% connected 100% of the time. It doesn't function as a Doton Wall that is independent after formation.

Gaara pinned down the entire construct and pulled the supplier (Madara) out. This all happened so quickly that it could not be totally reformed in time. It doesn't mean what I stated wasn't absolute fact.

To believe that Minato can separate two entities of chakra from themselves is to believe that Minato can sever physical entities in half, which means he should be able to simply cut people in half with FTG, which we know he cannot.

Susanoo is chakra. It is not a physical entity. Ill agree to disagree.

 

[The Necromancer]

Susanoo is chakra. It is not a physical entity. Ill agree to disagree.

Can you touch Susano'o? Yes? Then it's physical.

 

[Simbv]

Can you touch Susano'o? Yes? Then it's physical.

You can, i might have not made my point clear. Susanoo is not physically connected to the user.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Depends on who's the Susano'o user.

 

[The Necromancer]

You can, i might have not made my point clear. Susanoo is not physically connected to the user.

There is no proof of this statement. Susano'o is not self-sustaining therefore it is physically connected so long as it exists. Period.

It works in exactly the same was as Naruto's KCM does.

 

[Waltz]

Susano'o is constantly formed. It takes a constant stream of chakra to maintain, meaning it's 100% connected 100% of the time. It doesn't function as a Doton Wall that is independent after formation.

Gaara pinned down the entire construct and pulled the supplier (Madara) out. This all happened so quickly that it could not be totally reformed in time. It is even stated by Gaara that this was due to Onoki lightening the sand to make it quicker. It doesn't mean what I stated wasn't absolute fact.

To believe that Minato can separate two entities of chakra from themselves is to believe that Minato can sever physical entities in half, which means he should be able to simply cut people in half with FTG, which we know he cannot.

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^ Controlling Susano'o without being physically connected or Chakra wise. ​

 

[LoZelda101]

Separate objects, yes. But not objects connected physically or by chakra.

Minato didn't warp Naruto out of KCM. Minato can't warp someone away without their arm. Minato can't warp someone out of Susano'o because they are physically and spiritually connected to it.

Your argument would be valid if Susano'o was created and then became self-sustaining, but the user physically pours chakra into it at all times to keep it active.

It's like Rasengan vs. Chidori. Minato could warp Naruto away from his own Rasengan because Rasengan is self-sustained and separate from Naruto's chakra. Minato could not warp Sasuke away from his own Chidori because Chidori is not self-sustaining and is connected to Sasuke's chakra at all times.

ah okay, now i'm beginning to see what's going on now. i believe that's why the other forum brought up that scene when madara was dragged out of his susanoo by gaara's sand. would your example you gave ( a good one btw) still be valid? they basically said because gaara was able to remove madara from the susanoo that it means minato could warp sasuke out of it. but of course like you said, he's continuously pouring chakra into it and not self sustained. so which is it? lol

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

This thread... -_-

Minato can not teleport a user from inside their Susanoo unless that user is already marked. That's obvious.

Minato can not Reverse Summon a Susanoo. Because Susanoo is Manifested not Summoned.

If he Marks a Susanoo he could probably Teleport it away.(Unless it is Itachi's Susanoo or a Perfect Susanoo that can Fly and evade being marked)

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

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^ Controlling Susano'o without being physically connected or Chakra wise. ​

So if he wasn't Physically or Chakra Wise connected to Susanoo then HOW WAS IT BEING CONTROLLED? Fail again

 

[The Necromancer]

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^ Controlling Susano'o without being physically connected or Chakra wise. ​

Susano'o weapons have never worked on this principal. Arrows and thrown weapons are created separately by a different process.

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^ Susano'o dematerializing after being physically severed from its power source. Something FTG cannot do on its own.

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^ Susano'o dematerializing after its power source was destroyed. Notice how Amaterasu was not extinguished after Itachi died. Remember how Hiruzen's Doton Wall did not crumble after his death. They were self-sustained. Unlike Susano'o.

So if he wasn't Physically or Chakra Wise connected to Susanoo then HOW WAS IT BEING CONTROLLED?

Also this. To imply control implies a connection of some kind.

ah okay, now i'm beginning to see what's going on now. i believe that's why the other forum brought up that scene when madara was dragged out of his susanoo by gaara's sand. would your example you gave ( a good one btw) still be valid? they basically said because gaara was able to remove madara from the susanoo that it means minato could warp sasuke out of it. but of course like you said, he's continuously pouring chakra into it and not self sustained. so which is it? lol

Basically, it's entirely possible to rip the user out of Susano'o physically. It's actually pretty easy, just pull them away while holding the construct down.

The problem is that FTG can't magically differentiate between two physical objects that are connected together, the same way he can't simply cut a man in half with FTG.

If FTG had ever been shown to sever a physical entity into multiple sections, then it would be entirely possible. But FTG doesn't operate that way.

 

[LoZelda101]

Depends on who's the Susano'o user.

idk. i think this is where people got the idea that yata can be removed from susanoo.

 

[Simbv]

Susano'o weapons have never worked on this principal. Arrows and thrown weapons are created separately by a different process.

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^ Susano'o dematerializing after being physically severed from it's power source. Something FTG cannot do on its own.



Also this. To imply control implies a connection of some kind.

A spiritual connection which is what I JUST said. People have bought multiple scans to the table that show that they are not physically connected. This is my last post.

 

[The Necromancer]

A spiritual connection which is what I JUST said. People have bought multiple scans to the table that show that they are not physically connected. This is my last post.

Chakra is physical as well as spiritual. Do you think Minato can warp Naruto out of KCM? Do you think Minato can warp Naruto out of Sage Mode? Can Minato warp the Kyuubi out of Naruto?

Can Minato warp the blood out of a person's veins? If your answer to any of these questions is no, then the same logic applies to Susano'o, as the chakra that makes it up radiates from the user's body, the same way KCM and BM chakra radiate out of Naruto's body in a constant, endless, stream.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

A spiritual connection which is what I JUST said. People have bought multiple scans to the table that show that they are not physically connected. This is my last post.

If it isn't a Physical Connection then EXPLAIN THIS

"Every cell in my BODY hurts"

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Also Karin related the Susano'os Dematerialization as a result of Sasuke's Chakra disappearing even thinking he could be dead.

 

[Waltz]

This thread... -_-

Minato can not teleport a user from inside their Susanoo unless that user is already marked. That's obvious.

Minato can not Reverse Summon a Susanoo. Because Susanoo is Manifested not Summoned.

If he Marks a Susanoo he could probably Teleport it away.(Unless it is Itachi's Susanoo or a Perfect Susanoo that can Fly and evade being marked)

@ Bold: Then expand as to why Minato can warp an object despite not being in physical contact with it nor it having a tag and why The User being physically and chakra wise capable to separate from Susano'o yet the structure remains isn't a sure certainty that Minato cannot warp the user by touching the Susano'o.

Summoning Technique (口寄せの術, Kuchiyose no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, C-rank, Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary
Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi, et al

[pictures of Jiraiya smearing blood over his summoning tattoo and slamming his hand on the ground]
→Jiraiya uses his left hand. Naruto uses his right hand for the contract. In any case, the user's blood is essential.

Through a blood contract, fantastic creatures can be called forth!!

This is a kind of space-time ninjutsu, allowing the user to summon any living being with whom they signed a contract in blood, at any time and place they desire. The summoned creature will obey the user with its life, helping in every situation, whether it be fighting or fleeing. The user smears their own blood on the hand they signed the contract with and kneads chakra by doing handseals. Then by turning the palm of that hand to the place they want to summon, they call forth a subordinate they can rely on.

Contract
↓It's not a technique someone of genin-level should use. However, Naruto successfully signed a contract.
[picture of Naruto signing the Toads' contract scroll]

Teleportation Ninjutsu (i.e. space-time ninjutsu) is high-level ninjutsu that surpass concepts of space and distance. It allows one to move into a subspace and appear at a specific destination with a jutsu formula.

By canonical definition, Space-time ninjutsu allows one by what ever method (Kamui,Hirashin, Kuchiyose, Amenotijikara, Amenominaka, ect.) to move themselves or an object into a subspace similar to the Einstein rose bridge; that is, a hypothetical space–time continuum at a speed faster than that of light.

Kakashi warping Gamabunta from Mount Myōboku to Konoha with Kamui is the very same thing as Naruto Summoning Gamabunta from Mount Myōboku to Konoha via a Kuchiyose. It's the same affect produced by different methods.


Yata speaks for itself, Not susano'o and Itachi. The shield may not be warped but If Minato Touches Itachi's Susano'o he should be able to warp Itachi from the Susano'o for reasons already stated in this thread. ​

 

[Waltz]

So if he wasn't Physically or Chakra Wise connected to Susanoo then HOW WAS IT BEING CONTROLLED? Fail again

It's a property of Susano'o. There was never a ground rule stated that Susano'o cannot be controlled unless the user is both physically connected to and connected to it chakra wise. Oh wait, I just showed you a scan of Madara doing exactly that. ​