Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release
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Priyam Bhowmick
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Like amaterasu, Kamui does move in a path,the both are just so fast, kishi doesn't even show the path movement anymore
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It happened when he was sending it to Deidara's arms as welll
I think this would end up a matter of if Yata mirror responds on its own to attacks, or if the wielder has to change its attributes.. The thing about kamui is that its an invisible attack
Anything you took for an example is hype, and only hype, as Kishimoto uses the term perfect for anything what is supposed to be a great offense or defense by peoples believes. In this case however, black Zetsu explicitly said, that Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon, able to deflect any technique, what also was implied in the databook. While several defenses were merely called perfect due to their toughness by people who acknowledged it, Yatas mirror was explicitly said to be a weapon before all attacks lose their effect and make its user together with Totsukas blade completely invincible. This isn't mere hype given by Shinobi who believe in the strength of a certain thing but by black Zetsu, who hides Madaras knowledge and the very databook, which talks about Yatas mirror, how it works and which limits exist - none.
Can you show me where it says kamui is astral? it was to my understanding that kamui is a space and time jutsu able to manipulate space and time. even if yata can defend against it, wouldnt you still be able to use kamui on the user inside susanoo? making yata useless
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Narutopedia definition:
Space–Time Ninjutsu (時空間忍術, Jikūkan Ninjutsu; Literally meaning "Time–Space Ninja Techniques")[1] are techniques that allow the users to manipulate the space–time continuum. By manipulating a specific point of space, the user can warp anything targeted into a dimensional void and teleport it to another location instantaneously. Minato Namikaze, Obito Uchiha, and Tobirama Senju are all noted as skilled users of space–time ninjutsu.
Wiki Definition:
In physics, spacetime (also space–time, space time or space–time continuum) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single continuum. Spacetime is usually interpreted with space as existing in three dimensions and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort from the spatial dimensions.
Didnt know which one you would hold as evidence but neither definitions mention anything about s/t being "astral"
btw i couldnt find a good definition of the word astral so please if you have one you can show it to me
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here's a few
Get it yet? its an attack that isn't physical, or doesn't have a physical form... Just like Yatamirror.... Theoretically the only thing that would be capable of blocking a spiritual attack, is a spiritual defence......
Narutopedia's definiton of sT
Once the attack is dimension related.. once you EXCEED the normal human plane, you are entering astral territory
lol youre going on about some next level stuff...the only plane and i mean the only plane that mentions space and time is the physical plane so yeah maybe youre right about the dimension. obito's dimension could be an astral plane but space and time only exist in the physical plane and s/t is the manipulation of space and time so the susanoo itself will be physically manipulated and sent to the astral plane. That doesnt make it an astral attack.
Edit: heres the definition of planes:
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Delano The Great
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You don't get it,
KAMUI , the attack itself, the little black hole like attack , Is NOT physical in any way..
The definition of spiritual that applies to kamui?
KAMUI is a spiritual attack.. and YATA MIRROR is a spiritual shield..Both have NO physical form, what so ever
Do you get where i'm going with this?
according to the databook, yata mirror is protected from all following forms of attack.. PHYSICAL, MATERIAL, ASTRAL(aka spiritual) , and Ninjutsu
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both are technically fan made.
kamui is a spiritual attack?lol thats funny
He doesn't need susanno to wield them, they existed before madara who had the first ms...
there are legends of it and people deny their existence. As I stated, they have no true form, which is why the shield is seen becoming many different forms
It physically(and i say this term loosely) manipulates the shape of the target. You dont get it, yata mirror would be physically distorted, think of kamui like a sealing jutsu. Youre right kamui isnt a physical attack, its something completely different that cant even be quantified as "physical" or "spiritual" or even "astral".