[Theory] Yata Mirror and Sword of The Totsuka

[KCMNaruto]

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Hi gyus, I know that I risk a lot creating such thread and that avoiding flame wars in this thread will be very hard, but I really wanted to share my thoughts on this topic. (Yes I am ready for Itachi's wankers/fanboys army). THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TO INSULT: LOGICAL Itachi's Fanboy, fans

Ok, Now let's go straight to my theory(which is basically theoretical prediction)

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First part: ​

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First part will be theoretical prediction of Sasuke arrival on battlefield(Sasuke wielding Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror). I will skip all edo Kages and Taka + Oro to focus only on Sasuke wielding Yata and Totsuka.

Here I go:

Theoretical prediction of Sasuke arrival on battlefield

Sasuke appears at battlefield and spot fight occur between Shinobi Alliance and some great monster

Sasuke: That monster, it is ?!

Suddenly Killer Bee in Hachibi form spot Sasuke then charge giant Bijuudama while turn in Sasuke's direction.

Sasuke(spot huge bijuudama pointed at him): What the ?!

Killer Bee: die Uchiha bastard !

Naruto: ?! *Sasuke*

At the same second Huge Bijuudama hit Sasuke creates huge explosion.

Everyone: ?!

Sasuke is shown standing in Complete Sussano with big Shiled extended forward kept by Sussano's right hand. Cracks are shown on magical Shield kept by Sasuke.

Sasuke: so that was Shiled Itachi used against me..., I am really happy that it saved me this time....

Madara(watches Sasuke with interest ): Yata mirror..., interesting magical shield you got there Uchiha, what is your name ?!

Sasuke: *So he is Madara Uchiha* I am.... ?!

Naruto: *Damn..., I have enough of problems with Juubi and Madara and now yet Sasuke....*

Naruto: *I am sorry Sasuke but I have to kill you fast*

Naruto transforms into full Kurama as he charges his own giant bijuudama, Sasuke magical shield is shown self repairing.

Sasuke(spot Naruto in shape of Kyuubi): Naruto ?! *Shit*

Naruto shot off Bijuudama at Sasuke as huge explosion occur, completly covering Sasuke. As smokescreen clear up Sasuke is shown still alive in Complete Sussano as Yata mirror is shown all cracked everywhere but still kept as one(all parts sticked together ).

Naruto(spot Sasuke alive): ?! Damn...

Sasuke: Shit, what a power.... *Naruto, you changed a lot*

Madara: very well Uchiha boy, now join me and kill them... ?!

Suddenly Madara spot Huge Spiritual Sword comming at him as he activates Perfect Sussano. Spiritual Sword hit Perfect Sussano, butonly barerly pierce through Perfect Sussano.

Sasuke(smiles as he watches on Madara): That is your end..., this sword is not normal as you would think

Madara: ?!

Madara spot His Perfect Sussano being slowly pulled by magical Sword then he focus and fight back stopping his Perfect Sussano being pulled by Totsuka.

Madara: I see..., so this is legendary sword of The Totsuka..., really great tools you found boy

Sasuke(angry): I don't get it, you should be sealed by Sword of The Totsuka...

Madara's Perfect Sussano swings his sword vertiacally at Sasuke, hitting Yata Mirror head on, creating huge smokescreen. After smokescreen disappear Yata Mirror is shown all cracked as some part of it fall down on ground creating holes into that.

Sasuke: This can't be...

Madara(smirks mallicously): You got really legendary weapons, my descendant but you should learn more about these weapons before wielding them.

Sasuke: What do you mean ?!

Madara: Yata Mirror and Sword of The Totsuka were really were created by Sage of six paths against Juubi, however even they couldn't finish work... Yes, these weapons have weakness but only one...

Sasuke(angry): weakness, what is it ?!

Madara: They can't work on Someone/something which is stronger then you. That why it didn;t work against me because I am much stronger then you boy !, don't understimate power of Uchiha Madara.

Yata mirror is shown self repairing again, as Juubi is shown spot Sasuke wielding Yata mirror and The Totsuka Sword, as Juubi recall these weapons being used by Sage of six paths...

Juubi: GROAH !!!!!

Everyone: ?!

Juubi is shown charging his giant Bijuu dama while being turned in Sasuke's direction. Naruto and Killer bee comes to Sasuke's side as they were watching Sasuke being on their side fighting against Madara.

Sasuke: Naruto, Killer bee ?!

Killer Bee: Yo, Uchiha you need help I see

Naruto: Look out Juubi is gonna...

Suddenly Juubi shot giant bijuudama in Sasuke's, Naruto's and Killer Bee's direction. Sasuke protect himself along with Naruto and Killer Bee in his Complete Sussano behind Yata Mirror. Naruto and Killer bee inside Sussano envelopes Sasuke along with them in Kurama's and gyuuki's Tailed beats. Huge explosion occur killing many shinobi.

Madara(slowly self repairing as dust floating around recreating Madara): That power was able to shatter even my Perfect Sussano to nothing *Juubi's power... I can't wait to become it's Jinchurki *

Smokescreen clear up and Sasuke along with Naruto and Killer bee are shown kneeling on ground, as Madara watches on with interest

Sasuke: ?! *I can't believe in few seconds Yata mirror shattered into nothingess then my Complete Sussano shattered and then all tailed beasts of Kyuubi and Hachibi simply evaporated but thanks to all these defences we survived*

Naruto: Uhh..., That was close

Killer Bee; yeah, mother ****er...

Suddenly Sasuke activates his Complete Sussano again, but Yata Mirror not appear instead only Sword of The Totsuka appear in Sussano's left hand. Naruto and Killer Bee watch on as Sasuke swings Sword of The Totsuka vertically at Juubi. Sword of the Totsuka stops at Juubi's skin touch as it can pierces through Juubi's skin.

Juubi(screams as it feels pain by trying to pierce in his skin Sword of The Totsuka): GROAH!!!!!

Sasuke try once more putting all his Sussano's power to pierce Juubi's skin with Sword of The Totsuka but suddenly Sword of The Totsuka shatter in many pieces dissapearing. Sasuke is shown with suprised face as he watches on.

Sasuke(angry and shocked): Damn...

Sasuke try to summon Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror again along with his Complete Sussano but they won't appear.

Madara: I warrned you boy, and now you see Legendary weapons were reduced to dust. That what happen when you try to fight againt Juubi, hmpf.

Sasuke: Shit, Madara is right *we are doomed, nothing work against Juubi*

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Second part: ​

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Ok, now time for manga facts:

Sword of The Totsuka:

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Yata Mirror:

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Now time for scans from Databook:

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Sword of The Totsuka:

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Yata Mirror:

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Ok, after reading all of these scans, you can ask me what is point of my thread If I agree with all these databooks scans and manga scans ?

I believe that Kishi will put limit of Yata Mirror and Sword of the Totsuka..., exactly.

However Let's say that Kishi won't contradict his eariler words put on paper or spoken and he won't make reconnections to these sacred weapons, then what Kishi can do prove Itachi's words being right:

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Hmm..., hard question don't you think guys ?

However we know one thing which can help us in guessing... Yeah Masashi Kishimoto is fan of Dragon Ball , manga created by Akira Toryiama.

What was basic concept in Dragon ball to say which character is stronger ?

Of course Everyone who read Dragon Ball know that it is power level, but what could it have common with this thread and sacred weapons...

It could have a lot becaue Kishi recently began changing Naruto manga even more into Dragon ball...

For example in Dragon Ball we had, three invincible things:

#1th - Mafuba, technique invented by Mutaito one of the greatest martial artist. Withe help of this technique Mutaito was able to catch and imprison Demon Picollo into box. In the begining we know no counter to this technique, yet later in 23rd Budokai Kami(Good side of Demon Picollo) tried to use this technique on Picollo Jr.(son of Demon Picollo) to catch and imprision him into box. However Picollo Jr. made something completly impossible turn back direction of gree tornado(mafuba) and caught and improsend Kami into it.

#2th - Dragon balls, sacred balls which collected together allowed to summon sacred Dragon who appeared to fulfill one wish you wanted. Sacred Dragon seemed to be invincble but yet later Demon Picollo destroyed sacred Dragon. Another example is that in th begining Sacred Dragon was able to fulfill any wish you asked but then later he said that some wishes are beyond his power(as killing sayians: vegeta and Nappa etc.), because his creator is weaker then enemy

#3th - In The World of Gods was sacred sword which was said to have magic powers. All Sumpreme Kais were convinced that this sworld is invincible and could kill even Buu(feared and powerfull monster), however later Sworld broke when gohan tried to slice some cube made of the hardest material with this sword.

Ok, now you can ask me: "What the hell it has common with Naruto and Totsuka and Yata mirror ?!"

Don't worry I will explain right away, as I showed in all examples above. All these "invincible" techniques, items were effective against enemy until ENEMY WAS STRONGER THEN USER OF THESE TECHNIQUES OR SACRED ITEMS

Now, Let's look against which opponentes Itachi used Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror:

#1th - Orochimaru, but we know Itachi > Orochimaru

#2th - Sasuke, but we know that back then Itachi > Sasuke

#3th - Edo Nagato, true that Nagato should be considered stronger then Itachi, so was I wrong ?!
No, because Nagato was dead and controlled by Kabuto.

Itachi > Kabuto

However Why Itachi didn't use Yata Mirror to block Chibaku Tensei ?!

because Itachi knew that Chibaku Tensei is technique stronger then anything Itachi could use, that why Yata mirror could be cracked or even shattered against Chibaku Tensei and Itachi didn't want to take risk...

Summary: All these reasons above proves that Itachi was supperior to all enemies he faced off while his sacred weapons worked.

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Finally we can assume all statemtents I used + what I tried to show by my prediction.

In my prediction Sasuke wielded Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror against opponents stronger then him !, exactly Killer Bee, Naruto, Madara and Juubi > Sauke. Everyone of them were stronger then Sasuke.
That why i showed that damage done to Yata Mirror was direct proportional to gap in power/strength between Sasuke and his enemy. For example Killer Bee could be only little stronger then EMS Sasuke that why only few cracks appeared while Juubi is much more stronger/powerfull then EMS Sasuke that why both sacred weapons could be destroyed or uneffective against Juubi.

in Short: Sworld of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror strength, durability to all attacks are true but their level of durability and strength is direct proportional to power and strength of user.

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• Yata Mirror and Sword of The Totsuka are really invincible weapons which keep Databook and manga's scans true
• Yata Mirror and Sword of The Totsuka level of durability, effectivnes is direct proportinal to Strength/power of user.
• Yata Mirror and Sworld of The Totsuka works properly on enemy until user of these sacred weapons > enemy or at least gap between them is not that big in favour of enemy of course
• When Strength/power of enemy surprass user of these sacred weapons's strength/power, then enemy can fight back against these weapons. Fighting to be not pulled back by Sword of The Totsuka and make damage to Yata mirror
• When Strength/power of enemy <= user of sacred weapons, then Enemy is powerless and can't stop or damage sacred weapons.
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• Sage of six paths wielding Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror could handle of Narutoverse except Juubi, but then why Itachi can't ?, because Sage of six paths >>> Itachi.

Thanks a lot for reading, please share your thoughts about my theory =D

Do you agree or disagree ?, please reply only with reasons

 

[ballerjordan]

Nice theory, it would make sense that someone stronger than the wielder could try and fight back while getting sealed by totsuka, or breaking the yata mirror.

Juubi's tbb would have killed sasuke on spot right there tho =D

 

[KCMNaruto]

Nice theory, it would make sense that someone stronger than the wielder could try and fight back while getting sealed by totsuka, or breaking the yata mirror.

Juubi's tbb would have killed sasuke on spot right there tho =D

Exacty my thoughts I tried to show here with help of this thread =D

Thanks a lot for answer man

 

[sasukeu]

key word THEORY.... you have made many incorrect assumptions

 

[KCMNaruto]

key word THEORY.... you have made many incorrect assumptions

maybe or maybe not, Can you please list me these incorrect assumptions, I would be grateful =D

Anyway thanks for reply here, it is up to Kishi let' wait and see

 

[ManToz]

Good theory Man

But I really don't think being the enemy more stronger than user of Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade can affect them somehow

because you don't know if the enemy stronger than you or not unless you fought with him before and won so you can tell he is stronger

I mean
How can you tell Bee > Sasuke or Madara > Sasuke and they didn't even fight eachother before

That Doesn't mean Yata Mirror and Totsuka have no Weak points they have
but I believe that's not their weakness

I hope you got my point =D

 

[projecttsukinome]

A very good analysis... In this world nothing is infinite... There's must be a limit... In a way I agree with you...

 

[KCMNaruto]

Good theory Man

But I really don't think being the enemy more stronger than user of Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade can affect them somehow

because you don't know if the enemy stronger than you or not unless you fought with him before and won so you can tell he is stronger

I mean
How can you tell Bee > Sasuke or Madara > Sasuke and they didn't even fight eachother before

That Doesn't mean Yata Mirror and Totsuka have no Weak points they have
but I believe that's not their weakness

I hope you got my point =D

Thank you very much for reply, and I partially agree with you.

However strength of character is set from begining by Kishi , so he would know if Yata and Totsuka would word or no =D

But Itachi or now Sasuke could simply try first to check if Yata or Totsuka work on his enemy and then fight further, but for us readers it would be information Itachi/any wielder> enemy, Totsuka and Yata work or Itachi/any wielder <enemy, totsuka and Yata don't work.

Anwyay thanks for long and detailed reply =D

A very good analysis... In this world nothing is infinite... There's must be a limit... In a way I agree with you...

Thank you very much for reply and support friend

Only Juubi chakra is inifinite lol =D

Anyway thanks for your time dear friend

 

[dboli]

You lost me when you said that to break out of the Sword of The Totsuka you had to be stronger than the user, which was complete and utter whammy seeing how so far no-one in the manga has ever made such a claim, but I cant lie your theory was well I'm gonna go on a limb and say it was well presented but let be honest it was just a means to make your user submitted prediction seem more credible

 

[KCMNaruto]

You lost me when you said that to break out of the Sword of The Totsuka you had to be stronger than the user, which was complete and utter whammy seeing how so far no-one in the manga has ever made such a claim, but I cant lie your theory was well I'm gonna go on a limb and say it was well presented but let be honest it was just a means to make your user submitted prediction seem more credible

Hmm..., no it is not completly what i meant. When you are stronger then wielder of Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror then you can fight back not just break out. However if you are much stronger then wielder then Totsuka or Yata doesn't work at all.

You are right that noone in manga has ever made such a claim, but noone denied possibility of it's being true, yes ?

This is still opened to discussion, until manga says otherwise or closes field in this topic for discussion, stating firmly how it works.

You caught my purpouse of submitted prediction well. Yeah it was just meant to prove my point or show how it would works. =D

Thank you very much for nice thought out reply and kind words

Let's wait for Kishi showing who is right and who is wrong

 

[thegame]

Uhm, I admit not reading all of it, however, if the point is, that any character wielding tot and yata is invincible, and thus you try to "predict", that they are dependent on the wielder, well surely, any weapon depends entirely on the wielder!

If you look into Jap myth on Tot and Yata, you will see, that they are connected to the myth about Susanoo. Clearly this suggests, that the reason Oro actually didn't find them, is simply that you can only see them with sharingan, and wield them with Susanoo.

So the weapons themselves are invincible, indeed. I completely dislike the thought of their abilities being user dependent, since I simply can't recon any bias for stating such theory. However, as I said above, you need Susanoo to wield them. So Sasuke with tot / yata , is not invincible. Susanoo absorbs chakra - quickly! Using the weapons, certainly, also takes chakra.

So the whole "invincible"-part is to be taken with a grain of salt..

Also, the part where you "ask", why he didn't use yata mirror against chibaku tensei...
Yata mirror could turn the "pull" back on chibaku tensei, however, chibaku tensei is not such a simple jutsu. It keeps pulling, and it keeps rising in strength, thus a force will keep rising as it reaches yata mirror. Thus it will turn to a standstill, since Itachi will never be able to counter chibaku tensei, but he can constantly neglect its effect, but he can never overcome it, till it stops, and he has the final "Pull".

Besides, there was naru and bee, he needed to protect. Also they are both jinchurikis, it was easy to destroy it.

 

[sir sasuke]

nice and thoughtful theory bro, but I don't really think that such sacred weapons would be user dependent, the five items used by kinkaku and ginkaku were not user dependent except that they took a huge amount of chakra and they were also made by the rikudo sennin.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Good theory, let's wait and see when Sasuke wields them in battle.

 

[Strawberry]

does make sense good job, we will find out hopefully id rather not see totsuka again however

 

[Sherlock.]

Nice Theory.... The Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror's supposed invinciblility lasts as long as their weilder has enough chakra to maintain Susanoo.... Once Susanoo deactivates.... The weilder is done for.... =D =D

 

[KCMNaruto]

Uhm, I admit not reading all of it, however, if the point is, that any character wielding tot and yata is invincible, and thus you try to "predict", that they are dependent on the wielder, well surely, any weapon depends entirely on the wielder!

Nice that you are honestly with me at least =D. Well you just agree with me with your last last sentence: " any weapon depends entirely on the wielder!"

If you look into Jap myth on Tot and Yata, you will see, that they are connected to the myth about Susanoo. Clearly this suggests, that the reason Oro actually didn't find them, is simply that you can only see them with sharingan, and wield them with Susanoo.

Amazing research, I didn't know it. This maybe reason why Orochimaru couldn't find these weapons =D
I will look into the myth about Sussano right away.

So the weapons themselves are invincible, indeed. I completely dislike the thought of their abilities being user dependent, since I simply can't recon any bias for stating such theory. However, as I said above, you need Susanoo to wield them. So Sasuke with tot / yata , is not invincible. Susanoo absorbs chakra - quickly! Using the weapons, certainly, also takes chakra.

I partially agree with you, my friend. Yes, the weapons themselves are invincible, however you amited that any weapon depends entirely on the wielder. The weapons are only as effective as skills's of wielder with them are. In other words even If two warriors are fighting, and one has invincible sacred weapons are Totsuka and Yata and opponent has just normal weapons, then if opponent's skills with weapons >> warrior with magical weapons then there is high possibility that warrior with magical weapons won't be able to even hit warrior with normal weapons and loose.

So we know that weapons are dependent on wielder's skills, however let's say that we replace wielder's skills with power/strength's of wielder. In this case wielder of Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror can loose to opponent, who is much stronger then wielder, that simple logic.

That why I belives Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror are dependant on user's strength in how much powerfull attack then can handle(Yeah , they are still invincible but to specific extent) which is set by wielder's power/strength.

Finally I admit that I have no proof(yet xD) but you don't have proof against my theory either. This is still open for discussion and debate until Manga states otherwise =D

So the whole "invincible"-part is to be taken with a grain of salt..

Also, the part where you "ask", why he didn't use yata mirror against chibaku tensei...
Yata mirror could turn the "pull" back on chibaku tensei, however, chibaku tensei is not such a simple jutsu. It keeps pulling, and it keeps rising in strength, thus a force will keep rising as it reaches yata mirror. Thus it will turn to a standstill, since Itachi will never be able to counter chibaku tensei, but he can constantly neglect its effect, but he can never overcome it, till it stops, and he has the final "Pull".

Besides, there was naru and bee, he needed to protect. Also they are both jinchurikis, it was easy to destroy it.

Hmm..., again interesting point of view. Maybe that why Itachi didn't use these sacred weapons or maybe Kishi used same logic as mine I stated in this theory.

Anyway thank you very much for such long and detailed reply =D. It was nice and interesting discussion

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nice and thoughtful theory bro, but I don't really think that such sacred weapons would be user dependent, the five items used by kinkaku and ginkaku were not user dependent except that they took a huge amount of chakra and they were also made by the rikudo sennin.

I partially agree with you, because we don't know whatever Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror were made by Sage of six paths or no.

Besides we don't if these five sacred of Sage of six paths's items were user dependant or no because we didn't see Kinkaku and Ginaku face off someone much stronger then them...

Just remember that Kishi loves Dragon Ball manga and I wouldn't schocked If he pull something like I stated in my theory... =D

Anyway thank you very much for reply and let's wait and see what will Kishi do

Good theory, let's wait and see when Sasuke wields them in battle.

Thank you very much Sir Derp Obito, I waited especially to read your reply and finally... =D

I hope Sasuke will wields them and then we will finally know if they have any limit/weakness or no ?

does make sense good job, we will find out hopefully id rather not see totsuka again however

I would say completly opposite . I would like very much to see Totsuka and Yata in action again to watch if they have any weakness or limit. Besides it could finish stupid debate about Totsuka and Yata working on Juubi or no...

Maybe These two sacred weapons can't even work on Tailed Beasts... or jinchurki..., well we will see

Thanks for reply man

Nice Theory.... The Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror's supposed invinciblility lasts as long as their weilder has enough chakra to maintain Susanoo.... Once Susanoo deactivates.... The weilder is done for.... =D =D

I agree completly with you =D, but maybe there is more to The Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror as they are wielder dependant so if opponent >> wielder then maybe these weapons don't work on you or you can fight back in case of Totsuka Blade and being able to harm Yata Mirror...

Anyway thank you very much for reply and well, let's wait for Kishi opinion in this topic

 

[-ahhimane-]

There is a logic to your explanation but...
The reason can be a different one and a lot more logical one and I guess Madara was the previous user of those two weapons but never used it OR he studied about those weapons in deep but could never obtain them. (since Black Zetsu explained everything)

As Itachi said, it is true that "Every jutsu has a weakness"
The way Madara studied Edo Tensei and found out its weakness, he must be knowing the weakness of the Totsuka sword and the Yata Mirror, but your reasoning seemed unsatisfied because you made it through your prediction and there were lots of things which can never happen the way you predicted.
Madara is the boss and will prove that there is a weakness to those two weapons but in a different fashion.

By the way, you assumed Itachi's gift to Sasuke as the sword and shield (can be a possibility)
and come up with an unnoticed fact. "Every Jutsu has a weakness" at this time of war.
You are one of the best theory writer as well as a researcher on NB.
I thank you for that. Hats Off to you.

 

[KCMNaruto]

There is a logic to your explanation but...
The reason can be a different one and a lot more logical one and I guess Madara was the previous user of those two weapons but never used it OR he studied about those weapons in deep but could never obtain them. (since Black Zetsu explained everything)

You brought very good points, my friend =D, there is high possibility Madara was previous user of those two weapons or at least have some knowledge about them. However If it is true then why didn't Madara take them or search for them to use them against Hashirama ?

Answer: Because he discovered it's only weakness being wielder dependant and we know that Hashirama > Madara back then..., that why I think Madara knew that Yata or Totsuka couldn't be effective against Hashirama and that why he chose Kyuubi instead

As Itachi said, it is true that "Every jutsu has a weakness"
The way Madara studied Edo Tensei and found out its weakness, he must be knowing the weakness of the Totsuka sword and the Yata Mirror, but your reasoning seemed unsatisfied because you made it through your prediction and there were lots of things which can never happen the way you predicted.
Madara is the boss and will prove that there is a weakness to those two weapons but in a different fashion.

Very good and interesting point of view and as you obviously noticed already this prediction is poorly written and has 0 chance to happen in manga. However this prediction's points were only:

- Yata and Totsuka being wielder dependant, wielder >= opponent. Yata and Totsuka work and opponent can't protect himself or harm them.
- However wielder < opponent then Yata and Totsuka couln't work on opponent and opponent could fight back against them
- These sacred weapons are invincible in both cases above.

And the only way to show these weapons weakness/limit is showing Sasuke wield them at battlefield. That why I created theoretical prediction of sasuke arrival at battlefield.

By the way, you assumed Itachi's gift to Sasuke as the sword and shield (can be a possibility)
and come up with an unnoticed fact. "Every Jutsu has a weakness" at this time of war.
You are one of the best theory writer as well as a researcher on NB.
I thank you for that. Hats Off to you.

Thanks a lot for all your kind words and support , you opinion is really much appreciated and means a lot to me =D

And you are very good debater using great logic and always backing up your statements or thoughts with manga panels. Besides You are the best writer of predictions in this thread and even probably beyond it =D

I really enjoy reading every your prediction, for that Hats Off to you as well

 

[-ahhimane-]

You brought very good points, my friend , there is high possibility Madara was previous user of those two weapons or at least have some knowledge about them. However If it is true then why didn't Madara take them or search for them to use them against Hashirama ?

Only Madara knows
Then I wonder how Itachi found those weapons and where?
Some new facts that came up with your theory that I found while replying your post
Also one more thing about Yata Mirror

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What's written here is that the Yata mirror change its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack, rendering the attack ineffective.
This provides a proof that the Shield do not consider who the user is or how much powerful he is but instead it considers how powerful the incoming attack will be and accordingly changes its attributes like its strength etc. to match with the attack and thus nullifies it.
Your thoughts on this.

About the Totsuka Sword

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What's written here is that "Liquid spilling from its gourd bottle turns into the Kusanagi blade. Souls sucked out by sword are sealed inside."
If the sword can liquify then how will it get shattered?
The wielder can make happen the solidification of the Totsuka sword from mere liquid to a strong sword with his own will. Also if the sword is blocked or the attack is nullified, the sword can turn into liquid

I had to consider once again what I spoke in my previous post except its last part. I overlooked the theory.
The most important thing I found from the word "Kusanagi" which will turn your whole theory completely into new direction.

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Kusanagi in the series is mostly related to Orochimaru's snake sword which in real terms is also said as Sword of Kusanagi. Also the sword Sasuke wields is a snake sword which also called as Sword of Kusanagi
In general, the the word Kusanagi is referred to the snake.
We witnessed that Orochimaru's Kusanagi sword couldn't pierce through Naruto in four tail mode but also the sword didn't broke or shattered irrespective of its length created/formed.
Even Sasuke attacked Itachi (in susano'o holding the Yata Mirror) with his Kusanagi sword, the sword didn't pierce through but also broke or shattered.
Orochimaru controlled the use of his Snake sword, its extension, its retraction according to his own will.
Similarly the Totsuka sword gets solidifies according to wielder's will. See here

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In the above image, Itachi solidified the sword when one of the seven snakes attacked him.

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In the above image, Bottom right panel first quote

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In the above image, Top right panel first quote
Black Zetsu mentioned that Orochimaru was searching this sword for a long time.
Then you can guess what Orochimaru was doing?
He was gathering all the Kusanagi swords
He already had two of them, one in his mouth and the other he gave it to Sasuke. The Totsuka sword was the sealing sword which he eagerly wanted but couldn't found it.
Out of Itachi's attacks with the sword and his defense with the Yata mirror, Orochimaru recognized the Totsuka sword when the sword started sucking him up.
The sword as well as the shield is a spiritual weapon, that is why Itachi safeguard it into his Susano'o which is also a spiritual embodiment of the Uchiha's personality.

Then I think Black Zetsu heard it from Orochimaru himself that is the reason why Itachi found it before Orochimaru and hid it into his Susano'o.

This proves that Uchihas has no connection to the Totsuka sword and hence Madara.

 

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I partially agree with you, my friend. Yes, the weapons themselves are invincible, however you amited that any weapon depends entirely on the wielder. The weapons are only as effective as skills's of wielder with them are. In other words even If two warriors are fighting, and one has invincible sacred weapons are Totsuka and Yata and opponent has just normal weapons, then if opponent's skills with weapons >> warrior with magical weapons then there is high possibility that warrior with magical weapons won't be able to even hit warrior with normal weapons and loose.

Yes it completely depends how the wielder uses the weapons. No doubt about it. And my point was as you say, if the guy with the greater weapon (i.e. totsuka) fights a guy with a kunai, but he is too unskilled to land a hit, he will pay a greater cost in chakra for using a greater weapon, and he will eventually end up losing, unless his chakra amount is infinite or much greater than that of the other.

But this doesn't change the power in either of the weapons! A sharp or large sword, is just as sharp or large in the hands of a novice as in the hands of a pro. So the properties of the weapons, do not depend on the wielder. It's the efficiency of the weapons, that depends on the wielder!

So we know that weapons are dependent on wielder's skills, however let's say that we replace wielder's skills with power/strength's of wielder. In this case wielder of Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror can loose to opponent, who is much stronger then wielder, that simple logic.


That why I belives Sword of The Totsuka and Yata Mirror are dependant on user's strength in how much powerfull attack then can handle(Yeah , they are still invincible but to specific extent) which is set by wielder's power/strength.

Finally I admit that I have no proof(yet xD) but you don't have proof against my theory either. This is still open for discussion and debate until Manga states otherwise =D

Hmm, yet a weapon is just a tool. A powerful tool can also make the wielder more powerful. There is no doubt, that any person capable of using the Yata mirror is quite terrifying as an opponent.. Yata mirror simply relays only one possible way of fighting, and that is not to attack. So in other words, you need one damn good defensive to last till the yata wielder runs out of chakra.
Then comes a sword, which cannot be blocked!

And lastly, but not least, the knowledge of the items. I bet the amount of people with knowledge of these weapons can be counted on one hand. Thus that would be a huge advantage as well. Their effects are simply unpredictable.

Well, there has yet to come any weapon, which strength depends on the wielder. Surely some can alter the properties of a weapon, but that is also completely different!! So the "proof"-burden should be on your shoulders, not mine =) It's not like the sealing pot had anything to do with the user. Darui easily sealed Kinkaku (or was it gin, cant remember), yet having far from the same strength as him. Of course this may be a bad example, but there isn't really others.