[Discussion] Yami Teach vs Vergo

[SSS12]

You're confusing durability with stamina. Ace's durability is sh!t, Pre TS Luffy didn't have his neck come lose to getting broken when BB hit him.

No I'm not. What makes you say that? But like I said, you've got it backwards. It's not that Ace's durability is bad, it's BB' strength that was too much. BB was very strong, it wasn't that Ace was weak. If that was Luffy, he might have very well lost there. Ace was commended for his having great basic fighting skills even without the Logia powers by one of BB's Nakama.

And please tell me which one is more likely to break a neck.

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I can't believe you even thought of comparing those two attacks.

And another big reason why BB>Vergo is, like I said, that the strongest Yonko must be wary of someone for a strong reason. I really don't see how someone of that caliber would lose to Vergo, a VA.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No I'm not. What makes you say that? But like I said, you've got it backwards. It's not that Ace's durability is bad, it's BB' strength that was too much. BB was very strong, it wasn't that Ace was weak. If that was Luffy, he might have very well lost there. Ace was commended for his having great basic fighting skills even without the Logia powers by one of BB's Nakama.

And please tell me which one is more likely to break a neck.

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I can't believe you even thought of comparing those two attacks.

And another big reason why BB>Vergo is, like I said, that the strongest Yonko must be wary of someone for a strong reason. I really don't see how someone of that caliber would lose to Vergo, a VA.

Vergo has CoA and Tekkai, how is BBs punches going to do anything to him? Not to mention that he has very impressive speed, Geppo, and CoO.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No I'm not. What makes you say that? But like I said, you've got it backwards. It's not that Ace's durability is bad, it's BB' strength that was too much. BB was very strong, it wasn't that Ace was weak. If that was Luffy, he might have very well lost there. Ace was commended for his having great basic fighting skills even without the Logia powers by one of BB's Nakama.

And please tell me which one is more likely to break a neck.

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I can't believe you even thought of comparing those two attacks.

And another big reason why BB>Vergo is, like I said, that the strongest Yonko must be wary of someone for a strong reason. I really don't see how someone of that caliber would lose to Vergo, a VA.

Being smashed headfirst into the ground is way more likely to break your neck than being karate chopped in the neck dude, especially if both actions are done by the same person. Not only that, but the amount of force of Teach smashing Luffy into the ground is greater than Teach delivering a chop.

 

[Luther]

Teach takes this, the devil fruit is just too strong for vergo.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Teach takes this, the devil fruit is just too strong for vergo.

The YYnM is only very strong against DF users.

 

[SSS12]

Being smashed headfirst into the ground is way more likely to break your neck than being karate chopped in the neck dude, especially if both actions are done by the same person. Not only that, but the amount of force of Teach smashing Luffy into the ground is greater than Teach delivering a chop.

No way. Being smashed head first focuses most of the impact on to the head, especially since Luffy was smashed straight down. But a chop straight into the neck with a full swing of the arm focuses the attack completely to the neck.
Coming back on track, the man acknowledged by the strongest Yonko can't be defeated by VA Vergo. Maybe the powerscaling after TS where Haki is more prominently seen makes you think that way. Prety sure BB is also a a capable Haki user, since he commented on Luffy improving his haki and the fact that he drew Shanks attention.
Anyway, let's end this. Since we aren't going anywhere.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No way. Being smashed head first focuses most of the impact on to the head, especially since Luffy was smashed straight down. But a chop straight into the neck with a full swing of the arm focuses the attack completely to the neck.
Coming back on track, the man acknowledged by the strongest Yonko can't be defeated by VA Vergo. Maybe the powerscaling after TS where Haki is more prominently seen makes you think that way. Prety sure BB is also a a capable Haki user, since he commented on Luffy improving his haki and the fact that he drew Shanks attention.
Anyway, let's end this. Since we aren't going anywhere.

I see you have no idea how necks work. Not only did Teach have more force when he smashed Luffy due to having the momentum of Luffy charging into the air, the momentum of him pulling Luffy and the momentum of driving Luffy into the ground all building up on each other, but having your head driven into the ground is far more likely to break it due to the fact that your head is being pushed down onto your neck in a way it's not meant to.

 

[SSS12]

I see you have no idea how necks work. Not only did Teach have more force when he smashed Luffy due to having the momentum of Luffy charging into the air, the momentum of him pulling Luffy and the momentum of driving Luffy into the ground all building up on each other, but having your head driven into the ground is far more likely to break it due to the fact that your head is being pushed down onto your neck in a way it's not meant to.

Some simply fail to understand at all. I'll just have to spell it out for iou. For a nornal human, with a delicate skull, it might somewhat damage the neck too, after cracking open the skull, which will absorb the impact significantly like how the front of a car absorbs and slows down a car to cause less damage to the driver. In Luffy's case, being a superhuman, his head simply pierced through the ground, the neck barely coming into play. Make a poll if you're so fixated on this.
Ace was much stronger than Luffy at this point and if something almost breaks his neck, it will destroy Luffy. And the attack on Luffy didn't do much damage to him. That makes things so obvious.

 

[bajram]

I see you have no idea how necks work. Not only did Teach have more force when he smashed Luffy due to having the momentum of Luffy charging into the air, the momentum of him pulling Luffy and the momentum of driving Luffy into the ground all building up on each other, but having your head driven into the ground is far more likely to break it due to the fact that your head is being pushed down onto your neck in a way it's not meant to.

I see u have no idea how manga works and somehow u are using real life proof to support or words in a manga discussion, genius.

We have seen plenty of times characters in OP who get thrown on the walls, floor or anything with very high speed and in different positions but still that never does the big impact as the hit does, for ex. luffy uses jet pistol on Blueno and blueno gets thrown into the wall, but he was bleeding because of the hit not because of the impact he had with the wall and many other occasions, for some reason getting thrown into walls,floors does 0 damage and the main thing is the hit, ur argument is completely invalid, what counts is taking a direct hit not getting thrown at things and again take in mind that I am talking about the OP manga logic not real life logic, which doesnt applies here.

 

[VongolaX]

Oh god teach wins

You think Vergo can even put a mark on a Haki beast shanks?

Let alone survive?

Yami teach boastfully fought the old man Whitebeard and he fought Sengoku.

He just said that he wasn't ready for Yonkou level at the time, no vice admiral will stand a chance against Teach.

Even a Warlords are above all vice admirals

 

[Olorin]

The YYnM is only very strong against DF users.

NO it's NOT ... read teh ''Battle on Bannero island'' and you'll see how the mix of the 2 attacks from the Mera Mera and Yami Yami went island wide and the Yami Yami actually came on top, meaning both fruits have an extremely powerful offensive attack

Yami Yami is NOT only useful against DF's

 

[xanonymosx]

Oh god teach wins

You think Vergo can even put a mark on a Haki beast shanks?

Let alone survive?

Yami teach boastfully fought the old man Whitebeard and he fought Sengoku.

He just said that he wasn't ready for Yonkou level at the time, no vice admiral will stand a chance against Teach.

Even a Warlords are above all vice admirals

buggy can get owend by some one like chopper but your taking about top tier warlords of course

he fought wb (most likely the stronges yonku ) and he wasnt redy for shanks that`s inconsistent

wb had a very critical hits after fighting marins + akainu and yet he owend teach like a fodder making him say please dont kill me father and it took all bb`s crew to kill a half-dead wb

yami teachis not all that great may be in the future his fruit will show more

 

[Punk Hazard]

NO it's NOT ... read teh ''Battle on Bannero island'' and you'll see how the mix of the 2 attacks from the Mera Mera and Yami Yami went island wide and the Yami Yami actually came on top, meaning both fruits have an extremely powerful offensive attack

Yami Yami is NOT only useful against DF's

It could have just sucked in Ace and the fire. The Yami Yami no Mi is a supplementary/defensive fruit, same as Marco's, not offensive.

 

[Olorin]

It could have just sucked in Ace and the fire. The Yami Yami no Mi is a supplementary/defensive fruit

ok ... sure

you know ... it could have

but you're right what may just be the strongest fruit is probably just supplementary

anyway enjoy thinking that, I'll just wait for Oda to prove you wrong

 

[Punk Hazard]

ok ... sure

you know ... it could have

but you're right what may just be the strongest fruit is probably just supplementary

anyway enjoy thinking that, I'll just wait for Oda to prove you wrong

It's the strongest Logia because it can nullify all other Fruits. Being the strongest isn't always about having the most brute force. The Yami Yami no Mi's powers are to:

Store anything
Pull DF users in
Nullify the power of DF users

Which of those are a direct offense? Sure, Oda may reveal an ability of the Yami that's directly offensive, but he hasn't so far. The Yami has been portrayed as a supplementary fruit so far. Every time Teach has injured someone, he didn't do it through his fruit directly.

Both times we saw him hurt Ace, he used his hand and fist respectively.

When he hurt Luffy, he slammed him into the ground.

 

[juju15]

Did people not seen the town level darkness BB pulled of against Ace? Vergo is done

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did people not seen the town level darkness BB pulled of against Ace? Vergo is done

Vergo can fly above and around that. Not only that, but it's not like it happened instantly either.

Also, how do we know something or someone can't escape being pulled into the Darkness by moving in the opposite direction with superior force?

 

[VongolaX]

buggy can get owend by some one like chopper but your taking about top tier warlords of course

he fought wb (most likely the stronges yonku ) and he wasnt redy for shanks that`s inconsistent

wb had a very critical hits after fighting marins + akainu and yet he owend teach like a fodder making him say please dont kill me father and it took all bb`s crew to kill a half-dead wb

yami teachis not all that great may be in the future his fruit will show more

That's why I stated "old Whitebeard," he was critically injured.

Still, he's ridiculous strong for being half dead.

Blackbeard's crafty, he even begged Ace before fighting him too.

"Then what happened?"

He beat the living sh*t out of him and sent his @ss to the impel down.

Point is that no warlord can do what yami teach did except for Mihawk who is above the others.

Even Shanks was very weary about fighting him, despite giving him the only scar he receieved from anybody.

He was wise enough to step down from the man who is in the prime of his life.

 

[xanonymosx]

That's why I stated "old Whitebeard," he was critically injured.

Still, he's ridiculous strong for being half dead.

Blackbeard's crafty, he even begged Ace before fighting him too.

"Then what happened?"

He beat the living sh*t out of him and sent his @ss to the impel down.

Point is that no warlord can do what yami teach did except for Mihawk who is above the others.

Even Shanks was very weary about fighting him, despite giving him the only scar he receieved from anybody.

He was wise enough to step down from the man who is in the prime of his life.

yeah he was worrybut shanks was not worry about fighting teach him self , teach refused to fight cause he knew he wont have a chance against a healthy yonku he only had the guts cause WB was almost dieing yet he got owend , shanks was worry cause he thougt ace will not be able to defeat teach

 

[VongolaX]

yeah he was worrybut shanks was not worry about fighting teach him self , teach refused to fight cause he knew he wont have a chance against a healthy yonku he only had the guts cause WB was almost dieing yet he got owend , shanks was worry cause he thougt ace will not be able to defeat teach

I said "weary," of him...

Meaning he was skeptical about him and saw him as a future dangerous element.

Shanks was on another level, he intercepted Kaidou from trying to take out Whitebeard.

My point is that Yami teach engaged with people way out of Vergo's level.

How is some vice admiral going to fight a guy who is a little bit above a Warlord.

He is so dangerous and strong that even Shanks would dignify him, if it were Vergo he would just

Turn the other way without a worry in the world.

Blackbeard is an island buster since Jaya, he was destroying towns after towns.

Not even Vergo can't compete with that...