wtf? Is sasuke actually faster than naruto?

[A v i]

but you dont know what his ability is yet
none of us do

Yes but it is clearly not foot speed & Iam sure about that much.

 

[Fluffyman]

Is this something knew? Sasuke was always shown to be very quick.

Sasuke is the speed demon, Naruto the chakra/stamina monster.

 

[Berserker]

Yes but it is clearly not foot speed & Iam sure about that much.

Jesus christ no one is calling his rinnegan foot speed.

My final stance it's getting late.

No one has seen the full extent of Narutos speed in action with his new powers. No one matches the Juubi Jin Madara in speed besides Gai, Sasuke and Naruto.

Naruto has actually done nothing speed wise that was praise worthy towards<<<< Madara.>>> Fighting Madara head on doesn't make his speed praise worthy. There was no praise, besides from fans.

Sasuke was actually praised and landed hits while Madara has moved at full stamina speed. HE also possess a unknown s/t that seems pretty haxxed. Minato is known for being the fastest ninja and got owned with his s/t. Sasuke managed to hit Madara while he fled at full speed. Sasuke let him get even further because of not knowing the radius of his jutsu. His mistake...Madara got the head start and 3 paneled his eye back. It was not like a pit stop. Juubi Jin Madara is the fastest.


I'm not trying to downplay anyone but this chapter alone puts Sasuke speed and foot speed >= Naruto.

 

[A v i]

Jesus christ no one is calling his rinnegan foot speed.

My final stance it's getting late.

No one has seen the full extent of Narutos speed in action with his new powers. No one matches the Juubi Jin Madara in speed besides Gai, Sasuke and Naruto.

Naruto has actually done nothing speed wise that was praise worthy towards<<<< Madara.>>> Fighting Madara head on doesn't make his speed praise worthy. There was no praise, besides from fans.

Sasuke was actually praised and landed hits while Madara has moved at full stamina speed. HE also possess a unknown s/t that seems pretty haxxed. Minato is known for being the fastest ninja and got owned with his s/t. Sasuke managed to hit Madara while he fled at full speed. Sasuke let him get even further but not knowing the radius of his jutsu. His mistake...Madara got the head start and 3 paneled his eye back. It was not like a pit stop. He is the fastest.


I'm not trying to downplay anyone but this chapter alone puts Sasuke speed and foot speed >= Naruto.

You are not downgrading Naruto nor did I mentioned anything about you trying to downgrade him,Here you are actually trying to give a feat to Sasuke that he never actually pulled.Yes,You didn't said that his Rinnegan ability and his foot speed are same but you are using his Rinnegan ability feats to justify Sasuke's foot speed which makes 0 sense.Sasuke only managed to land hits on Madara thanks to his rinnegan's ability and he never actually moved with his foot speed in this chapter exept for the case when he attacked Madara with Chidori and I don't get from where you are pulling Sasuke's foot speed being above Naruto argument.

 

[Berserker]

You are not downgrading Naruto nor did I mentioned anything about you trying to downgrade him,Here you are actually trying to give a feat to Sasuke that he never actually pulled.Yes,You didn't said that his Rinnegan ability and his foot speed are same but you are using his Rinnegan ability feats to justify Sasuke's foot speed which makes 0 sense.Sasuke only managed to land hits on Madara thanks to his rinnegan's ability and he never actually moved with his foot speed in this chapter exept for the case when he attacked Madara with Chidori and I don't get from where you are pulling Sasuke's foot speed being above Naruto argument.

I see what you're saying but the footspeed argument stems with his ability to catch up to Madara and cut him. + I'm saying footspeed they are equals. Overall speed Sasuke might have an adv because of s/t

 

[Memento Mori]

I think Sasuke using FTG,I always thought of this eversince Hebi Sasuke is introduced......I even thought of the theory & Ideas about Sasuke using FTG(linkless),that is connected through his 3 tomoe sharingan

 

[olisa]

Jesus christ no one is calling his rinnegan foot speed.

My final stance it's getting late.

No one has seen the full extent of Narutos speed in action with his new powers. No one matches the Juubi Jin Madara in speed besides Gai, Sasuke and Naruto.

Naruto has actually done nothing speed wise that was praise worthy towards<<<< Madara.>>> Fighting Madara head on doesn't make his speed praise worthy. There was no praise, besides from fans.

Sasuke was actually praised and landed hits while Madara has moved at full stamina speed. HE also possess a unknown s/t that seems pretty haxxed. Minato is known for being the fastest ninja and got owned with his s/t. Sasuke managed to hit Madara while he fled at full speed. Sasuke let him get even further because of not knowing the radius of his jutsu. His mistake...Madara got the head start and 3 paneled his eye back. It was not like a pit stop. Juubi Jin Madara is the fastest.


I'm not trying to downplay anyone but this chapter alone puts Sasuke speed and foot speed >= Naruto.

But you are, you're the one making assumptions here that Sasuke's speed is greater than Naruto's while many including me are telling you not to since nothing in this chapter conclusively proves it.

And why is it most fans always hold to "this chapter alone ....." arguments, it's a manga, you can't judge the entire thing or form conclusive opinions based on individual chapters alone; which is why it's better to adopt a wait and see approach or make theories. Remember, never take a conclusive stance from just one chapter, it inevitably leads to disappointments most times.

Oh and sleep well by the way, time too for me to get back to work

 

[the entire forum]

lol, no comparison , sasuke is speed is just few lvl ahead of naruto's

 

[A v i]

I see what you're saying but the footspeed argument stems with his ability to catch up to Madara and cut him.

I'm glad you got my point and as I said b4 it is defenitely not foot speed which is why Iam confident about Naruto being above Sasuke in this regard.It is more like a teleportation jutsu.At first Madara has no idea what Sasuke actually did when Sasuke dodged his attack and stabbed him with his sword.It shouldn't be the case if Sasuke was using his foot speed and Madara even mentioned something like he did more than just simply moving implying that his movements aren't just foot speed based and same goes for what Sasuke did when he caught up with Madara.

 

[shadowcb]

Jesus christ no one is calling his rinnegan foot speed.

My final stance it's getting late.

No one has seen the full extent of Narutos speed in action with his new powers. No one matches the Juubi Jin Madara in speed besides Gai, Sasuke and Naruto.

Naruto has actually done nothing speed wise that was praise worthy towards<<<< Madara.>>> Fighting Madara head on doesn't make his speed praise worthy. There was no praise, besides from fans.

Sasuke was actually praised and landed hits while Madara has moved at full stamina speed. HE also possess a unknown s/t that seems pretty haxxed. Minato is known for being the fastest ninja and got owned with his s/t. Sasuke managed to hit Madara while he fled at full speed. Sasuke let him get even further but not knowing the radius of his jutsu. His mistake...Madara got the head start and 3 paneled his eye back. It was not like a pit stop. Juubi Jin Madara is the fastest.


I'm not trying to downplay anyone but this chapter alone puts Sasuke speed and foot speed >= Naruto.

I disagree. You are overrating Sasuke speed and it's because you don't understand the differences between Naruto's attack and Sasuke's attack or there situtaion.

When Naruto attacked Madara it was a frontal attack which are the easiest types of attacks to read, evade, or counter. Madara never commented on Naruto' speed, but he surprised by his speed even thought he was focused on him.

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When Sasuke attacked Madara near the end of the chapter Madara was focused on gaining and implanting Kakashi's sharingan, not fighting Sasuke. He did not know Sasuke had followed or attacked him until after he implanted the sharingan and was turning around. Yet, he was not surprised by Sasuke's attack.

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Once again Madara stopped moving after he reached Kakashi's location. In the below scene we see Madara flying towards Kakashi. When Madara reaches Kakashi's location he grabs Kakashi's sharingan as he fly by him. He then implants the sharingan in his eye socket and stops. We don't see him stop because the scene shifts to Sakura and Obito. You also must understand we don't how much time was spent on Sakura and Obito. I know Madara had stopped moving because when the scene shifts back to him we see him standing right Kakashi as Sasuke attacks. If he was still moving then there would have been a greater distance between him and Kakashi.

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sasuke's rinnegan ability is more like trafalgar law's DF from one piece,he can swap himself with any object in the range of the tech)like what he did to his sword and himself when madara was stabbed,it's not physical speed just some sort of teleportation,in term of foot speed naruto is faster.

 

[King Of Pop]

Pple are trying way too hard in this thread saying madara wasn't concerned about sasukes attack, that's Bulllshittt right there. He got blitzed, look at his face, he even commented on his speed. If he could defend himself then he would have. Why would madara allow himself to be chopped in half? And point about him stoppin when taking kakashis eye is false, he tool while moving, nxt tin he saw was sasuke next him, that's foots speed right there no denying it. I believe he is on par with naruto or faster than him, its hard denying it when the evidence is there

 

[King Of Pop]

You are not downgrading Naruto nor did I mentioned anything about you trying to downgrade him,Here you are actually trying to give a feat to Sasuke that he never actually pulled.Yes,You didn't said that his Rinnegan ability and his foot speed are same but you are using his Rinnegan ability feats to justify Sasuke's foot speed which makes 0 sense.Sasuke only managed to land hits on Madara thanks to his rinnegan's ability and he never actually moved with his foot speed in this chapter exept for the case when he attacked Madara with Chidori and I don't get from where you are pulling Sasuke's foot speed being above Naruto argument.

How do you know its not foot speed? You have no proof. When sasuke did that ftg move first tym, madara commented on it on how sasuke didn't simply move which implied that indeed sasuke used a sort of jutsu. However second time upon sasuke closing on him, madara then commented that sasuke is stil really fast. If he used the jutsu 2nd time madara would figured that it is whta he did the first time but no he commented on how sasuke was fast meaning sasuke didn't his teleportin jutsu but instead footspeed, with madaras words you can tell. I may be wrong also but u can't conclude that he didn't use foot speed when there's no proof

 

[King Of Pop]

sasuke's rinnegan ability is more like trafalgar law's DF from one piece,he can swap himself with any object in the range of the tech)like what he did to his sword and himself when madara was stabbed,it's not physical speed just some sort of teleportation,in term of foot speed naruto is faster.

I disagree. When sasuke used that teleportaton first time madara said that sasuke didn't jus simply move which implies that sasuke used a sort of jutsu. However second time from the way sasuke was moving closing in on madara you can infer that he was moving on foot backed up by madaras wordds on how sasuke was fast. If he used the teleportation madara would have said stuf like "he's doing what he did before" or something like that. Sasukes movement stance backs this up

 

[Uzumaki Tarein]

Seriously, I'm a bit puzzled here. It's sure as shit sasuke's a hell of a lot faster... but let's keep looking at this [

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Madara was flying away from them at top speed; so sasuke had to cover that distance rather quickly to blitz him. Now, let's neglect sasuke's confusing new jutsu and just assume, for argument sasuke that he teleported towards madara... I don't care about that; What I do care about is the fact that madara was unable to react. Check this shit out...

Minato teleported and

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7th gate guy then

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Naruto

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in sm-base-whatchamaccalit...

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. (madara blocks with his staff)

*Naruto tries here, He almost succeeds if not for ringa [

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]. But i'm not sure if that has more to do with madara still being occupied by the attack he's performing or a true blitz. In any case, kudos to him. But we expect this shit from that rikudou mode naruto's in...

Now, Back to sasuke. Remember the first scan I linked? If you look at it carefully, madara was watching sasuke while sasuke was like 6 feet away or more. So, he didn't get the drop on madara anymore than guy or minato. In fact, he's further away than minato who teleported and needed to swing his arm. Yet, the next panel, he's sliced madara in half. [

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]Notice how madara's staff is still on his side and uncut? That means he never even got the chance to block himself (like against minato, guy and naruto).

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Seriously, Thoughts? Because I need to see next week for some explanation of this shit. Sasuke's in base as far as we can tell, with a nice new shiny eye, yet he's blitzing a Juubi jin as good, if not better than naruto? Wtf...?

EDIT: Everyone keeps talking about 'teleportation technique'. AGAIN, i'm not talking about sasuke covering the distance. That could have been teleportation, i don't care. I'm talking about the actual arm swing/forward slash when he was 6 feet away. Teleportation doesn't carry forward momentum great enough to propel madara back.

He's not faster, he just teleports

 

[SIX PATHZ]

sasuke is pretty fast somehow. no matter is he moving fast or something like FTG.bt he is pretty fast at this point.even madara said that.

 

[leagen]

nah dude was just surprised

 

[King Of Pop]

He's not faster, he just teleports

No he didn't, *********** makes it quite clear, madara said "you're quite fast sasuke", meaning sasuke was indeed using footspeed backed up by the fact that madara moved out of sasukes eye range so sasuke culdnt hav used he's rinnegan tech, madara confirms that also.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You're actually overlooking one very important thing here; LIMBO. Madara does not have it on that panel when Sasuke cuts him because Naruto is dealing with it. Think for a second, the only way Madara reacted fast enough to Naruto's attack in the first place in this chapter was because of Limbo, without it his defense is not that effective. heck, by looking properly at Madara's expression and words you can see he wasn't too surprised by Sasuke's attack, he just couldn't react fast enough to it but had he some limbo goodness he would've blocked it like he did Naruto's.

the only one we've seen speed so great that Madara had absolutely no time at all to use limbo was Guy.

Already covered in op.............

i said in OP that Sasuke's possibly as fast as naruto because it's either still doing an attack (yin lightning) or being truly unable to react that left madara resorting to Limbo.

@bold: Is that not what i've been saying? Madara was aware of sasuke and saw sasuke coming, he just couldn't react.

You're wrong Op, Sasuke is not faster than Naruto.

1 - The reason Sasuke was able to get close to Madara without him noticing was because Madara was completely focused on gaining and implanting Kakashi's sharingan. By the time Madara finished implanting his sharingan and turned around Sasuke had already stated his attack and was about a foot away from him. He wasn't even surprised by Sasuke. The manga has proven time and time again that a slower ninja can hit a faster ninja if they attack the faster ninja while they are distracted. IE. Choji was able to hit Kakuzu because he was focused on fighting Shikamaru.

2 - The reason Madara did not try to counter or evade Sasuke's attack was because he was not concerned about Sasuke's attack. Naruto and Sasuke together were giving him trouble. He knew that if he wants to stand a chance against them he will need his other rinnegan so he was only concerned about warping to Obito's world.

The manga proves it. He was cut in half by Sasuke yet never slowed him down at all. Sasuke even realized his attack was not effective. When Guy and Naruto attacked connected with Madara it put him on his ass and he needed time to recover.

1. Covered in OP. I already said Idc about how sasuke caught up. Not the question. It's about madara being unable to react when sasuke was 6ft away and sliced him in half - needing to move forward and swing his arm. When sm minato was right under him, and only needed to swing his arm, madara gave him a 3 piece... Even though minato surprise blitzed him while he was focused on obito.

2. Someone else suggested this. But, at the end of the day, it's baseless. Madara tried to block naruto

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without him being able to react. FUNFACT: Narutards didn't complain or make any excuses about that what so ever. They wholeheartedly accepted that madara was shat on. Flip the script? Nah, madara 100% didn't care about sasuke.

No he isnt =D stop fapboying

The reason Madara got cut was because he was busy taking kakashi's eye + teleporting to kamui world to get obito's rinnegan.
Quite simply, he didnt have time/didnt care about sasuke, simple as that.

On the other hand, when Naruto was attacking Madara had his guard up and tried to defent against Naruto's attacks at full power.

But in the page you showed, Madara simply didnt give half a shit about Sasuke there.

Naruto has the senjutsu of the six paths + SM before sage powerup+bm, so its safe to say Naruto will always be stronger/faster than the sidekick =D

@bold: kill yourself :|

Madara already had the eye, he was doing nothing else. Funfact, why didn't madara use kamui to go intangible, or to snipe sasuke away from him, or to warp himself before sasuke hit? Madara looked at sasuke while he was 6ft+ away.

So, because madara had time to put his hand up, against naruto, it means he gave a shit about naruto, but because he couldn't react against sasuke, it's fact he didn't give a shit about sasuke? :| Oh, what he didn't give a shit about naruto either then? Because he didn't move his body an inch and resorted to limbo right

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. and then you want to call someone a fanboy, for opening up a reasonable discussion :|

While I agree that Sasuke is faster than Naruto. There's no doubt about it, but the time they attacked Madara together had no speed feat. Sasuke said that Naruto should attack him with the rasengan and Sasuke was standing right next to him. So we can assume that Madara was coming to them and they didn't go to him. If that isn't the case, Sasuke would'nt have said that Naruto should aim the rasengan at him.

Na. Guy in next quote explained it. Apparently sasuke did some hack magic to teleport madara in between them, or teleport them around him. dayum

Huh? I think you should re-read the manga; that was Sasuke's rinnegan technique used on Madara to bring him (Madara) between him (Sasuke) and Naruto, heck he even says it when he tells Naruto to attack towards him. In other words, none of them had to move fast at all at that point.

Yes, limbo has only been used in extreme case as far as Madara is concerned, I mean it's the same manga we're reading here or are you insinuating that if Madara had limbo when Sasuke attacked him in the end he wouldn't use it? Limbo is his fastest defense and most covert offense because it can't be sensed or seen by just anyone not even sensors.

About Naruto hitting a weakened Madara surely you're only saying that because you had trouble understanding that Chapter because even Madara himself said and I quote "Is it because I'm still recovering...No he's suddenly become more powerful". That alone coming from someone as prideful and egotistic as Madara should tell you he was very much capable of handling that situation had Naruto not been as powerful as he was.

Holy shit, that's what happened? That panel puzzled me, and I thought they just both blitzed him. That's whack as hell then, woah.

Even if madara used limbo, it would most likely not work. unlike naruto, who can only sense limbo and get a general idea of where it is, sasuke can actively see it. Using his rinnegan, he would simply be able to move around it and slice madara. Basically, the same thing SM naruto did(avoid limbo) to toss MFRS at madara.
Before you say limbo would block, like it did naruto, let's not forget naruto was falling from the sky and had no ground to move on, unlike when in his SM state. He could feel limbo, but he couldn't move away.

I disagree. You are overrating Sasuke speed and it's because you don't understand the differences between Naruto's attack and Sasuke's attack or there situtaion.

When Naruto attacked Madara it was a frontal attack which are the easiest types of attacks to read, evade, or counter. Madara never commented on Naruto' speed, but he surprised by his speed even thought he was focused on him.

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When Sasuke attacked Madara near the end of the chapter Madara was focused on gaining and implanting Kakashi's sharingan, not fighting Sasuke. He did not know Sasuke had followed or attacked him until after he implanted the sharingan and was turning around. Yet, he was not surprised by Sasuke's attack.

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Once again Madara stopped moving after he reached Kakashi's location. In the below scene we see Madara flying towards Kakashi. When Madara reaches Kakashi's location he grabs Kakashi's sharingan as he fly by him. He then implants the sharingan in his eye socket and stops. We don't see him stop because the scene shifts to Sakura and Obito. You also must understand we don't how much time was spent on Sakura and Obito. I know Madara had stopped moving because when the scene shifts back to him we see him standing right Kakashi as Sasuke attacks. If he was still moving then there would have been a greater distance between him and Kakashi.

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Except when naruto did that, madara was focused on sasuke... Madara noticed naruto when, like sasuke, he was roughly 6feet away from him.

The eye was in madara's socket... Madara then turned and saw sasuke, both his arms were already by his side in the same position when minato ftg'd to him. Madara had as much awareness as when minato or naruto tried to blitz.

People have already said madara got a headstart. Because i'm asking if sasuke's faster, doesn't mean sasuke's soooo much faster than he can intercept a guy dashing away at max speed with a 100ft headstart and a few feet of distance to cover... Let's not forget these guys weren't that far from kakashi in the very first place.

sasuke's rinnegan ability is more like trafalgar law's DF from one piece,he can swap himself with any object in the range of the tech)like what he did to his sword and himself when madara was stabbed,it's not physical speed just some sort of teleportation,in term of foot speed naruto is faster.

I don't think that's what happened here. There's a clear indication he swung his harm, mostly solely based on the change in orientation of his hand. MEaning he swung his arm and madara was left unresponsive.

He's not faster, he just teleports

So teleporting swung his arm for him...? Please tell me what happened to minato, the teleporter, after he teleported to madara? Don't worry i'll wait.

Hint: It's in the OP you most likely neglected to read.

 

[To Whatever]

This thread's title is a loaded question that's going to rustle jimmies.

It's like when Naruto attacked Madara 1st and everyone thought Sasuke wouldn't be on par with him. It rustled jimmies.

Naruto still hasn't shown his full speed yet. We only got a glimpse of it when he kicked the black sphere back and attacked Madara.