Wtf? Goku vs Superman? You serious?

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When are people going to realize Goku really isn't that powerful in the scheme of things? Sure, I suppose if all you've watched are the popular shows like DBZ, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, etc. Goku appears to be God-like. But if you compare him to some of the other powerful anime/comic book characters he's well below the top tiers. I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, but its the truth.
 

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I can't even comprehend your stupidity. Just because Vegeta can blow up planets and goku can beat him doesn't mean that he can do it, that ABC logic and that doesn't apply to anime the same way it does in life. The kamahameha wave doesn't hurt Superman because it isn't comprised of magic or kryptonite. Also your failing to realize that GOKU CANT GO SSJ4! He lost his tail at the end of GT. and Even as an adult he can't stay in SSJ3 for very long Because he was unable to sustain it as he had not taken into account the strain overcoming his living body, and soon reverted back to his base state. Altogether, these heavy disadvantages make it impractical to use the transformation out of the afterlife. all of Goku Ki based attacks would bounce off Superman. and Goku's punches wouldn't even tear Superman's clothes. And Supermans softness? How many enemies has Goku decapitated? Superman took off darksieds head. If this was a battle to the death over Opposed convictions Goku wouldn't stand a chance.

you can't honestly argue that a base Goku even has a chance against him.

Also your all forgetting that spirt bomb depends on the universe they fight in if they fight in DC Universe no one is going to give their energy to kill their hero. and if you move superman to the DBZ universe there is no Kryptonite or magic so Superman is invincible.
Yea pretty much this. ABC arguments NEVER WORK!!! Unless you are talking about quantities. Any quality, therefore something worth discussing, cannot follow abc logic.
 

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Lol first of all my man vegeta was blowing up planets as a teenager for fun before he could even defeat freizas top henchmen thats how i know goku(who is indeed stronger than his ss4 form) can blow up planets. common sense. And superman vant travel back in time that would be the flash who is faster. But lets give him a handicap and said he could, he is still garbage. Do u know why? He as a puch and laser vision and goku has kemahameha, dragon fist and distucto disc lol dont even argue about softness hes gay and goku would blow himself up and laugh as its happining(cell games end). Hes beat the piss out of the strongest.
I honestly know that if SUPERman punched Goku, he would break his arm...he is invincible(except kryptonite and magic). This shouldn't be up for discussion, superman travels faster than light and sees everything superslow. You should read ALLSTAR SUPERMAN. He lifted 200 quintillion tons with ONE HAND. Goku's punches would bounce off him. Don't even get me started on pre crisis superman. This thread is like SHAZAM VS. HERCULE
 

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When are people going to realize Goku really isn't that powerful in the scheme of things? Sure, I suppose if all you've watched are the popular shows like DBZ, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, etc. Goku appears to be God-like. But if you compare him to some of the other powerful anime/comic book characters he's well below the top tiers. I'm sorry to burst your bubbles, but its the truth.
Exactly. Truth is, though, a lot of people aren't familiar with many other manga/anime series other than the Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach, and of course DBZ is dimensions above all of those series combined. Compared to things like Bastard!!, Saint Seiya, and even Sailor Moon. Don't even get me started on Tenchi Muyo.
 

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Those early Supermans were so non-creative if you ask me. Why make a superhero so powerful he moves planets out of their orbits when he sneezes?

If you're going by that Superman, then technically Superman would win

But the most common Superman in everyone's mind is the one that fights against Lex Luthor. The guy who'd get owned if he got 100 ft within kryptonite.

THAT Superman who'd get his ass handed to him 100x over by Goku. Goku probably wouldn't even need to go Super Saiyan to defeat THAT Superman. Hell, Piccolo destroyed the MOON, and that's when he was weaker than 9000!
 

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I see you fail at arguing but are an amazing troll please link me a manga page or even an non cannon anime clip of a 10 year old Vegeta blowing up planets. and as i said before Vegeta Has a move meant to destroy planets and Goku does not. Does that mean everyone who has ever shown power equal to that of a 10 year old Vegeta can blow up planets? Like Piccolo or Gohan or Goten or Trunks? Maybe your the one who needs school my "friend". Goku has had power in his universe but that power is nothing compared to a man who can lift 2 Quintillion pounds one handed. Goku could maybe punch a crater in the earth while Superman could punch it so hard it shattered. so maybe your the one who needs to go troll somewhere else.
this shouldn't be an argument superman would break his ribecage with a punch:-]
It was actually 200 quintillion tons and he stopped there because they didn't have anything else heavy enough.
 

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Quote from wiki:

Superman strength
After being saturated with yellow solar energy in All-Star Superman, his strength was tested as exceeding the force of 200 quintillion tons (or 2x1020 tons, in scientific notation, i.e., two hundred billion billion tons)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman

Is not a really great idea to compare DC vs Anime on a Anime forum.

Anime Forum = Goku>Pre-Crisis Superman
DC Forum = Pre-Crisis Superman>Goku SS4
 

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Ok,

Which form of Superman?

Golden Age Superman: (1930-1940)

•Super Strength: The character was depicted as having the ability to move large vehicles, including cars, trains, and ships.
•Leaping Ability: As originally conceived, Superman could leap an eighth of a mile or over that of a tall building.
•Super Speed: Superman could run 5x faster than the speed of light.
•Invulnerability: Superman's skin could not be pierced by anything short of a large artillery shell.


Silver/Bronze (Pre-Crisis) Superman: (1940-1985)


•Super Strength: Superman's strength was increased to the point where he could move entire planets.
•Flight: The character gained the power of true flight.
•Super Speed: Superman's speed increased to the point where he could travel faster than light. Several stories depict him traversing great distances through space to other solar systems and distant galaxies and even other universes. He could cross our own solar system in minutes. He could also use this power to travel through time, as shown in his boyhood visits to the 30th century as a member of the Legion of Superheroes. Superman can also swim at speeds approaching Aquaman's speed as well as run at speeds similar to that of the Flash. Superman is unable to beat Flash in a race.
•Invulnerability: By the 1970s, Superman became able to withstand an atomic explosion and even fly through the core of a star. He was also immune to non-Kryptonian diseases and all radiation except for that of a red sun or Kryptonite.
•Vision: In addition to X-ray vision and heat vision, Superman was also given telescopic and microscopic vision. The character could see across interstellar distances and observe events that occurred on a microscopic and even atomic level. He could also see across the full electromagnetic spectrum, including infra-red and ultraviolet light.
•Hearing: Superman could hear sound at almost any wavelength and at great distances.
•Super Breath: Superman's breath was capable of freezing objects and generating hurricane-force winds. He could also hold his breath indefinitely, allowing him to travel underwater or in space without breathing apparatus.
•Mental Powers: Superman possessed genius-level intelligence and an eidetic memory. These enhanced mental capabilities were a direct result of his exposure to a yellow sun, as evidenced by the depiction of Superman's dog, Krypto. While under a yellow sun, Krypto's intelligence was boosted to that of a typical human. Superman also possessed the mental ability to screen out the enormous amount of information received by his enhanced senses, and to focus on a single detail, such as a particular voice or location. As well, his speed reading abilities were much like that of the Flash. He was able to absorb large amounts of information quickly; whether it entered his short term or long term memory is hazy.
•Super Ventriloquism: Superman could throw his voice across great distances. This power was used to confuse enemies or protect his secret identity by tricking others into believing that he (or Clark Kent) was in a different location.
•Super Hypnotism: This power enabled Superman to hypnotize anyone. He could make people forget incidents or obey his commands. This power was often used to safeguard his identity.
•Stamina: Superman could survive indefinitely without food, water, or rest due to the yellow sun's radiation sustaining him.
•Healing factor: Superman could regenerate physical damage to his body at an accelerated rate. He was able to regenerate when Wonder Woman slit his throat with her tiara in Wonder Woman #219. In the seriesBatman: The Dark Knight Returns, Superman regenerates his body after being reduced to near a skeleton by a special nuke that was designed to blot out sun light and disrupt energy. Superman's healing rate has been inconsistently portrayed, however. In the first issue of the "Superman/Batman" comic, Alfred is able to remove a Kryptonite bullet from Superman's body without fear of the wound closing (probably because the Kryptonite was affecting his ability to heal).
•Other Powers: Writers of Superman would occasionally experiment with new powers for the character. In general, the abilities that proved popular and useful became part of his regular repertoire, while others would be discarded after a single use. In addition to his other super senses, Superman was occasionally shown as having highly-enhanced senses of touch and smell.


Post Crisis Superman: (1985- Now)
Power Reduction Superman's strength was reduced to the point where he could still move tremendous amounts, but the character no longer had the ability to move planets. His speed was also reduced so that he could not exceed the speed of light. While still capable of surviving a nuclear explosion, such events would severely weaken him. Superman's sight, stamina and breath powers were also similarly reduced, and the character was also shown as requiring an oxygen mask for prolonged travel in space or underwater. His mental abilities were also curtailed to the point where intelligent humans, like geniuses Lex Luthor or Batman, could possibly outsmart him. The powers of super-ventriloquism and super-hypnosis were not generally used during this period, although it was never stated whether they had been eliminated or not.
 

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pre crisis superman could move planets, fly faster than light, survive atomic bombs and flying through the core of the earth. That are his main abilities. Goku can teleport, probably move faster or as fast as light (Raditz was stated as moving as fast as light) destroy galaxies (cell's super kamehameha was stated to be able to destroy the solar system) move move at least 100's of tons (in other world as a supersaiyan. and he trained at 100's times gravity, I can bench twice my body weight so im guessing goku can lift many times that) and survive blasts capable of destroying at least planets. Now Goku gets a 50x power increase when he goes supersaiyan when he lifted at least 100 tons i think. each supersaiyan level gives i'd say another 15x increase, since gohan went from fodder to cell to making cell and his juniors complete fodder. There was a nuke that decimated superman (i think pre-crisis) to nearly a skeleton but he healed. the nuke was made to be able to blot out the sun so big. Goku also has martial arts. Even if they were on same strength level, which I think they are, Goku wins in a fist fight. Of course Sups will keep on coming. If Goku hits him with a Super Kamehameha at SS3, I believe no more Sups, pre-crisis or not. He might heal back if he has anything left but he still gets beat.
 

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Those early Supermans were so non-creative if you ask me. Why make a superhero so powerful he moves planets out of their orbits when he sneezes?

If you're going by that Superman, then technically Superman would win

But the most common Superman in everyone's mind is the one that fights against Lex Luthor. The guy who'd get owned if he got 100 ft within kryptonite.

THAT Superman who'd get his ass handed to him 100x over by Goku. Goku probably wouldn't even need to go Super Saiyan to defeat THAT Superman. Hell, Piccolo destroyed the MOON, and that's when he was weaker than 9000!

A Naruto fan might ask "Why make a character that can blow up planets?". Its all a matter of perspective. If that Superman was placed into the DBZ universe, yes, he would seem ridiculous. But when he's placed in his own universe with enemies as powerful as he is, it works out fine.

You can't restrict their abilities, it has to be full power vs. full power or else it doesn't make any sense. You could make either character win depending on what restrictions you put on them. Really it was just a bad match up, so I guess the one to blame is the thread creator. :p
 

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I see you fail at arguing but are an amazing troll please link me a manga page or even an non cannon anime clip of a 10 year old Vegeta blowing up planets. and as i said before Vegeta Has a move meant to destroy planets and Goku does not. Does that mean everyone who has ever shown power equal to that of a 10 year old Vegeta can blow up planets? Like Piccolo or Gohan or Goten or Trunks? Maybe your the one who needs school my "friend". Goku has had power in his universe but that power is nothing compared to a man who can lift 2 Quintillion pounds one handed. Goku could maybe punch a crater in the earth while Superman could punch it so hard it shattered. so maybe your the one who needs to go troll somewhere else.
I dont have the time im a full student bro look at the developement of vegeta before freezer blew up the planet, early episodes. He does it with one index finger. n i dont have a reason to lie believe what u want i dont really care and i only could be called an itachi fanboy. I remember he did though 100% sure of myself. He was with nappa terrorizing. N no lol u r a true troll to me. This is a joke. Superman has no sperm count due to his red panties. tell him to have a kid.
 
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My Top 3 reasons why Goku can beat superman:

Goku's powerlevel is over 1006.. Wait i was holding the scouter upside down.

Goku can turn into Golden Oozaru, and Super saiyajin 4.

Superman can sneeze planets away some might say? Goku can fart them away.
 

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Up until recently, I just found out people actually debate this. Superman, vs Goku? Really? I've read ALOT of ridiculous topics/debates, but none this insane.

How could Superman possibly contend with Goku, honestly? How is this even arguable? I had no idea people actually "considered" this a Vs match, and really it shouldn't be lol. Can't believe it. I didn't know DC Comic fanboys went that far. xd
Quite simply, if you follow DC comics ever since the very first Action Comics which featured Superman, you'll notice that a lot of different writers contributed to the Superman IP, and that there are a lot of different 'versions' of Superman and his powers are simply all over the place in terms of what those different writers think he is capable of doing.

Superman is one of the only iconic superheroes who has spanned so many decades, getting perspective from all these different generations of society (including the 60s and 70s, where drug use was prevalent), and each generation tends to define a new 'age' of Superman IP.

So, there are versions of Superman where he does things that just don't seem quite right, such as chaining planets together and dragging them through the universe. Or even being able to speed up or reverse time.

When you sit down and compare the two, Goku and Superman, there is just no real way to establish the limitations of Supermans powers in a realistic fashion so as to determine just how well he could do vs Goku. On the other hand, Goku's powers is measurable at every time in the series, except for GT, which doesn't count anyway.

Before you can even do a Goku vs Superman discussion, you'd first have to have a discussion about Superman's powers and determine what's Canon and what's not.
 
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