[Debate] Would the abolishment of religion be good or bad?

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This is a silly question because religion will never be completely eradicated. As a Christian, and from the Christian perspective, I can't see the world being any better without religion or, at the least, an objective morality on which one base's his life.
 

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You can keep calling me ignorant, because frankly I don't care. You're indoctrinated and it's clear. I didn't hate on anyone, you just took it that way. Your post was flawed and I called you out on it. Simple as that.
Or you could stop hating on people, and do what the **** you want, instead of *****ing about religions do your own shit ignorant ass kid.
 

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How do you know whether their actions aren't important in the grand scheme of things or not? They believe their actions are and they have faith, Einstien had faith that a theory of everything will be found some day. It is the same thing, if you are going to say that something must be proven before you can even consider it then you will be lost,

Human beings are not the most intelligent of creatures, in this modern era people believe religion is primitive due to some cultural revolutions that have been occurring during the turn of the 19th century. I always found strange how people believe it is more likely for aliens to exist than angels when there is no proof for either's existance, perhaps hollywood has something to do with it.
Because there's nothing to suggest their actions actually matter. That's a core part of religion. Act good -> go to heaven. On paper it sounds fine but in practice it breeds fanatics.

Human beings are the apex creatures of this planet. We're very intelligent, but we're also driven by emotions. There is no proof for Aliens or Angels, but statistical probability favours Aliens 10 times out of 10. The universe is far too big for just us to be the only intelligent species inhabiting it. Check out the "Drake equation". It's wildly complicated but it's great for statistical probability about extra terrestrial life.
 

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It won't be possible. Religion was created by humans for humans just so that they can feel good and understand the things that were not understandable for humans at the time. Religion does also cause war and conflicts but I doubt people will drop religion.

Weather it's a good thing or bad, I can't be sure.
Religion doesn't cause wars, politics does.

OT: There really is no point to be on this thread any further when you say that this isn't to bash anyone and than you call Bible a fairy tale book. I usally don't participate in these threads (as they are usually just whoreing for attention) so I won't stay to argue here. (There isn't anyting to be argued actually.)

Also it's pathetic how people say science and religion are opposing.
 
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Religion doesn't cause wars, politics does.

OT: There really is no point to be on this thread any further when you say that this isn't to bash anyone and than you call Bible a fairy tale book. I usally don't participate in these threads (as they are usually just whoreing for attention) so I won't stay to argue here. (There isn't anyting to be argued actually.)
I only said that as a retort for someone calling me a kid and being completely irrational when the point of this thread wasn't to start anything controversial, just to ask a damn question.
 

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That still just does a complete 180 and comes back to my main point. You say humans will always find a way to cause problems and religion isn't the problem, but if Humans are using religion to cause problems, why wouldn't you just limit the amount of mediums they can use to cause problems by getting rid of religion instead of thinking it will get any better with religion still here?
The amount of mediums aren't the problem. In the past people fought over religion, resources, ethnicity, race etc. All these problems are artificially created. Human beings possess an "us and them" philosophy, which is used to differentiate themselves from others. Even if you abolish religion someone will just artificially create another medium. Like I continue to say the problem is humans need to get rid of their negativity from the source, which is within themselves not from conceptual things such as religion and culture
 

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That still just does a complete 180 and comes back to my main point. You say humans will always find a way to cause problems and religion isn't the problem, but if Humans are using religion to cause problems, why wouldn't you just limit the amount of mediums they can use to cause problems by getting rid of religion instead of thinking it will get any better with religion still here?



That's more of a sign of indoctrination if anything. Is it fair that someone who worked hard are their life gets a terminal disease before they're even 40 and can barely see their kids grow up? That's not fair endurance in any regard.


You can keep calling me ignorant, because frankly I don't care. You're indoctrinated and it's clear. I didn't hate on anyone, you just took it that way. Your post was flawed and I called you out on it. Simple as that.
That how life is,His time came. His role was over

Life is only a place of the test. The after life is were it trully begins
 

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I only said that as a retort for someone calling me a kid and being completely irrational when the point of this thread wasn't to start anything controversial, just to ask a damn question.
So? What's gonna keep this thread from turning into a shitstorm if you're gonna bash as soon as you get bashed? One must back out. Speaking of wich, I'm done here...
 

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How would it omit or alter historic events? The history would still be there. Religion's effect on civilization would still be documented. We'd just be enlightened to the point where we don't need it anymore.
Exactly history would still be there, a much different history then as we know it.
@bold If you are talking about in a far of future. The only way to become 'enlightened' as you say it to solve the unknown scientificly for which region is based off of.

Speculation : However I believe if this was realized and region was widely disproven a new set of believes will take religions place ( whether this is a good / bad thing idk) What happens when people know too much?
 

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It is probably really hard for you to separe the christian values of your society from what you learned from other cultures. The fact is, even if you are not a practicing christian, I know I am not, western religion is ingrained in society's values and ethical morals. If you were to be able to magically remove all influence any Religion had in any one's life, you'd take the good and the bad, and you'd see absolutely nothing, because our culture's beliefs are completely fused down to the core of who we are.

I do not believe in god, but I do believe in the power that Religion has to control and guide the masses, be it in a good way or a bad way. Religion is a powerful tool to understand where and who we are as individuals. Abolishing a right to believe is just as bad as abolishing a right to not.
I completely agree with your first paragraph. Although, we were taught about World Religion in the final two years I was in high school, so I'm not completely ignorant towards any of them. Hell, we spent more time on Islam, Judaism and Buddhism compared to Christianity on its own. That's the problem I have with how Western society has evolved. We're constantly moving on a path where we're not necessarily guided by our own beliefs, but just what we own. Hence, capitalism in Canada and America. Advancement in technology and Science. It's all intertwined and the more intelligent we get, the less we need some kind of "hope" within an old age concept because we're learning more about everything that was supposed to be in the Bible/Quran.
 

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The amount of mediums aren't the problem. In the past people fought over religion, resources, ethnicity, race etc. All these problems are artificially created. Human beings possess an "us and them" philosophy, which is used to differentiate themselves from others. Even if you abolish religion someone will just artificially create another medium. Like I continue to say the problem is humans need to get rid of their negativity from the source, which is within themselves not from conceptual things such as religion and culture
That I completely agree on. But then factor in how widespread religion is compared to the other mediums. You can't just magically create something like religion over night which has a near global following in terms of populations for each religion. While removing religion doesn't necessarily solve the problem, it takes away the largest medium negative propaganda ever had. Look at the countries which envelop themselves entirely in religious constitution. The middle east and many countries around it are all very primitive and backwards compared to countries like England, America, Canada. All countries with high Agnostic/Atheistic populations along with people who claim to be Christian but barely practice. There's a direct correlation here. I'm not trying to force this on you. I actually like discussing this.
That how life is. His time came and he should accept it. (Which is hard to many. Because theywere cling to this world)

Life is only a place of the test. The after life is were it trully begins
I respect your beliefs, but that's all up for debate.
Exactly history would still be there, a much different history then as we know it.
@bold If you are talking about in a far of future. The only way to become 'enlightened' as you say it to solve the unknown scientificly for which region is based off of.

Speculation : However I believe if this was realized and region was widely disproven a new set of believes will take religions place ( whether this is a good / bad thing idk) What happens when people know too much?
Our method of documentation will only get better over time, so the history of religion will never be lost or altered.

Cults maybe, but not new religions. We'd be far too ahead of what we were before to regress in our ideals. Religions were always for people to hope and believe. But if we know more, then we wouldn't need that, especially that far into the future.
 

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Because there's nothing to suggest their actions actually matter. That's a core part of religion. Act good -> go to heaven. On paper it sounds fine but in practice it breeds fanatics.

Human beings are the apex creatures of this planet. We're very intelligent, but we're also driven by emotions. There is no proof for Aliens or Angels, but statistical probability favours Aliens 10 times out of 10. The universe is far too big for just us to be the only intelligent species inhabiting it. Check out the "Drake equation". It's wildly complicated but it's great for statistical probability about extra terrestrial life.
At bold: You should specify which religion you're talking about. Islam operates that way. Christianity does not. You can't lump every religion together just because it's a religion. C'mon, now.

The chance for just us humans being able to exist is incredibly low. The chance of other, extraterrestrial life existing is, intuitively, lower than the "human chance." I believe it's the anthropic principle that talks about something like that.
 

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The human race is really ungrateful.

God gave them life yet they deny and hate him?..

So am I supposed to be flexible and respect everyone's beliefs but then you blatantly say with the utmost certainty that he exists? I respect your beliefs, but you can't just say he exists or he gave me life when nothing points towards that at all. These are the kinds of posts that derail religion threads. I was never asking about God at all. I wasn't even asking how to abolish religion. I asked would abolishing it be bad or good. Please don't turn this into something it was never meant to be.
 

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Because there's nothing to suggest their actions actually matter. That's a core part of religion. Act good -> go to heaven. On paper it sounds fine but in practice it breeds fanatics.

Human beings are the apex creatures of this planet. We're very intelligent, but we're also driven by emotions. There is no proof for Aliens or Angels, but statistical probability favours Aliens 10 times out of 10. The universe is far too big for just us to be the only intelligent species inhabiting it. Check out the "Drake equation". It's wildly complicated but it's great for statistical probability about extra terrestrial life.
There is nothing to suggest their actions matter to you. Matters of faith are purely subjective you might see it as a waste of time but others believe it isn't. Finding a higgs boson isn't going to feed the over 1 billion hungry people in the world yet humans continue to search for more of these virtual particles. Does looking for these particles solve war, famine, discrimination?

What statistics? For all you know humans may be the only life that exists in this universe. A mathematical equation doesn't always apply to real life, as I have said before for something to be scientifically factual it must be observable and measurable. There is no concrete evidence to support the existence of any alien life let alone intelligent alien life, yet people are so fixated on it and laugh at people who believe in angels or the tooth fairy. The bias is clear, people are conditioning themselves to think a certain way, even our science doesn't agree with itself, black hole theory is one perfect example of this.
 

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Religions have done good things to the world and bad things as well ( like creating wars ) but i don't think religions will disappear from this world and from the time humans began to worship Sun,Moon,rocks,trees and animals to now, what happened to religions is that they appeared and disappeared with time and even if the religions we've now disappeared, there will be new ones and they will have followers just like ones we are following currently .
 
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