[Debate] Women shouldn't be allowed in combat

[7PointOh]

To me, it's not about capabilities of women. I was in a the Marine Corps. And had two different jobs. I was an 0311 (an all male unit), then later on down the road, I went into comms (not gender restricted). It's not about abilities, I seen women that can run me into the ground and be more physically fit then most. And women are serving in combat roles now. But to serve in an infantry rifle platoon. No. Again, it's not about are women capable, I believe there are women more than capable, but it's about logistics and unit cohesion.

Logistics, two heads (naval terminology for bathroom). Different living quarters when normally deployed. Which brings up unit cohesion. In a infantry rifle platoon, there won't be any unit cohesion do to the separation of quarters. It's a close knit unit in the grunts. Live together, work together, eat together, things that I didn't see when I transferred to a unit that wasn't gender restricted.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I love this thread

 

[FuChomei]

women should be allowed , but should not be forced.

I agree with this!

 

[Jin Hayami]

To me, it's not about capabilities of women. I was in a the Marine Corps. And had two different jobs. I was an 0311 (an all male unit), then later on down the road, I went into comms (not gender restricted). It's not about abilities, I seen women that can run me into the ground and be more physically fit then most. And women are serving in combat roles now. But to serve in an infantry rifle platoon. No. Again, it's not about are women capable, I believe there are women more than capable, but it's about logistics and unit cohesion.

Logistics, two heads (naval terminology for bathroom). Different living quarters when normally deployed. Which brings up unit cohesion. In a infantry rifle platoon, there won't be any unit cohesion do to the separation of quarters. It's a close knit unit in the grunts. Live together, work together, eat together, things that I didn't see when I transferred to a unit that wasn't gender restricted.

That's females though. They never get along with each other. Males though they get along fine with. Like I said make them meet the same standards which few will do and it will be less of a problem. Plus Marines (no offense) typically have the infantry mentality of **** eat kill. (I have to trainarines twice a year since their psy op group is brand new. Honey Badger) They're cool but I see where they don't fit in. That's only the Marines though. Army Navy and Air Force have been putting up with it for a long time.

 

[FuChomei]

That's females though. They never get along with each other. Males though they get along fine with. Like I said make them meet the same standards which few will do and it will be less of a problem. Plus Marines (no offense) typically have the infantry mentality of **** eat kill. (I have to trainarines twice a year since their psy op group is brand new. Honey Badger) They're cool but I see where they don't fit in. That's only the Marines though. Army Navy and Air Force have been putting up with it for a long time.

If all women hated each other and all men got along with each other then there wouldn't be a need for this thread @_@

 

[Henchman24]

They're just expressing their opinion? That's what you do on forums, please don't be such a d*ck about it.

I'm just expressing my opinion about it.

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If this woman was in the army, Kim Jong-Un would be shitting himself.

Also, let me state this.

It's a bit of a personal truth, but I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I'm Bipolar. When I was a kid, I wanted to join the U.S marines. I'm Palestinian (Arab) and Irish and can speak both languages, also write both languages. I also have a light shade of olive skin (I'd say I look mostly Arab, I definitely fit in when I go to the Middle East and darken up a bit).

I'd be pretty ideal for a candidate if I wanted to go to Iraq as a translator. I wanted to use the Marines to pay for my school, but I was told because they cannot guarantee I'll have my Bipolar medication at all times overseas, I would not be an ideal candidate for enlistment.

My Bipolar Disorder got "triggered" per say when I turned 15 and I didn't get medication until a few months ago.

I did fine without the medication (better with it, obviously. A LOT better) but all of a sudden, I can't get drafted.

Meaning if I have a son or a family member or all my friends get drafted or go into the marines and fight and die for my country, I can't join them simply because of circumstances beyond my control.



But yet this thread bothers YOU enough to reply to it. If you don't like it, become an anti-forum protester.

I am not against forums. If I was I wouldn't be a member of this site.

 

[Zenic]

I agree! What's the point of lowering the bar and then calling both genders 'equal'?

That's not equality.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I'm just expressing my opinion about it.

I am not against forums. If I was I wouldn't be a member of this site.

Yeah? You sound whinier.

 

[Henchman24]

I'm just expressing my opinion about it.



I am not against forums. If I was I wouldn't be a member of this site.

On topic. Equality is an illusion. No one is equal in this world. That's why everyone should try to be the best at what they do. If you can't be equal then be better.

 

[Henchman24]

Yeah? You sound whinier.

Really? I don't see it.

 

[Momochifanboy]

Women have longer endurance then men but men are stronger.
So they both compliment each other.
And its good that an army can be successful in many fronts.
But to the question in hand, I think that women are equal to men and I think that they know their own limits.

 

[Trinky]

I personally wouldn't want to be allowed in combat, nor do I really care for the option, but if some women want that option, I really wouldn't bash them for it.

That chivalry picture though, jeez xD

 

[Kikyo]

Women wanting equality...I will only agree that they should get financial equality. Everything else remain the same, I would expect an insecure woman spouting crap like equality. They're not owning their feministic qualities and trying to change what it means to be a woman by trying to equal a man, it's sickening.

Why is this the only thing I really agree in here from this thread. As for the rest I barely care what other women do for their lifes, let them join the army if they want too. Sure some of those tests are a little unfair, but don't forget they just want to protect and die for their country, is that really wrong for them to want that?

As for I, I wouldn't join because I don't have the strength or other qualities to make it and the fact that I hate my own country is another fact. xd

 

[drknght]

Women need to be protected and they deserve variety of privileges. Men on the other hand should work hard, either physically or mentally. Obviously not every woman should stay in the kitchen or raise children, because there are women with man's way of thinking that are simply incapable of it. Nevertheless, the blabbering about equal rights stops when you have to bring something heavy from the car, or to carry wardrobe on the third floor.

 

[Nous]

Wow! I wasn't aware of the push up thing. That's unbelievable - 19 isn't even near 42. I guess due to physical differences, they should reduce the amount for women but my more than 20? That's unacceptable. I believe women and men deserve equal rights but in the current society that we live on, women are babied and treated as basically better. Women hitting a man is brave, but if a man acts in self defence he is a monster. If a girl sexually touches a guy and the guy feels uncomfortable or doesn't like it, he's a wuss. If a girl gets touched, then the man must be jailed and put in death row. Equal Rights - Not Special Priveleges. That's my ideal.

 

[Equalist]

Women want everything to be equal, but then they have concessions to make that possible. To me, this is absurd and, honestly, makes me pretty mad.

Welcome to the human race. But your post is irrelevant. The real issue here is how the justice system works in favor of women even when they're guilty of a crime. I'm sure we all remember Casey Anthony. She killed her daughter, put her in the trunk, buried her somewhere, reported her missing two days later, lied to police, and still got off. And she's not the only "mother" to have murdered her children and gotten off for it despite over-whelming evidence.

Not only that but the number of women who murder their husbands and get off with only five years is truly staggering.

Method Man sums up gender equality issues better than I however.

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"Talking that independent woman bullshit when you want someone to take care of you."

You'll have to copy the URL as the forum won't let me post this video.

 

[Equalist]

Honestly do some research. The physical requirements may be different but have you looked at the weight standard? Men have a much easier time getting into the Military. 5'3 and 129 pounds? Look at the height and weight standards that's BEFORE you even can go to boot camp. Before your ASVAB's and MEPS and even after boot camp. I got along with other female soldiers just fine btw, I really don't see the basis for that line honestly. As a woman in the Military you really are expected to be more mentally strong than physically, that's just common sense. Like I said you can't expect a 5'3 129 pound woman to be stronger than say 5'10 200 pound man and expect them to do the same physically. I scored an 89 on my ASVAB'S you guys do know this plays a factor in where you get placed right? You don't just say Oh hey I wanna be Combat Military Police. Oh I wanna be artillery. NO you have to test and show you have the capability for it.

Honest to god I'm not gonna indulge this anymore, but please before you even begin to say talk to more female soldiers. Men fight over stupid petty bullshit to, not just woman. Most of them and their ego's who's better at shooting, who's better at this blah blah. Honestly I have seen wayyyyy more men fight than Woman. Deal with it. About Woman being more emotional that's true, by Nature we are but as a Female soldier you have to learn to deal with that, The Woman that fight and be petty don't belong anywhere in the Military. They are weak and can cause havoc for an entire battalion. I have seen some amazing Woman too, It just depends on how mentally/emotionally strong you are.

Woman and Men are different in every single way. Some Woman are strong, some are weak just as some men are strong and some get their ass kicked. It's been this way for centuries and It's not gonna change. Men are paid higher than Woman for working at the same Job, But that's fair right? Some men who decide to stay home and be a house dad are pussies right? Some Woman are expected to be housewives and those that work are considered less of a woman. Give me a break with this gender shit. Men and Woman are different. Physically, Mentally and Emotionally. No equal rights bullshit...It's never gonna happen.

I'm sorry if our logical discussion offended your sensitive emotions. No one is saying that women are weak but are simply given "breaks" by the system. This is an undeniable fact. Of course you are at liberty to believe what you want as you are a 21st Century independent woman. However your beliefs while your own are unimportant to anyone apart from you.

This is a discussion of facts.
1) Women have fewer hoops to jump through in military, colleges, or job markets in general.

2) Women can murder their husbands and children and still be acquitted.

3) Women will almost always receive custody of children even if they are unfit parents.

4) Single moms are neither encouraged to seek employment nor is it necessary to do so as in most cases fathers are nailed with so much in the way of child support and alimony that they themselves can barely survive.

5) Some women call themselves princesses and walk around with an inflated sense of self worth, believing that they should have a certain quality of living despite the fact that they have done nothing to earn it.

6) This is not a discussion about what you find offensive.

 

[Maid]

Women are equal with men, not the same as or identical with them. Women are men's human, social, intellectual, and spiritual equals. Not superior. Not inferior. Equal. Women must not be viewed as less important, less valuable, less intelligent, less worthy of human dignity and respect, and inferior to men due to being female. Men do not belong to the "chosen" or "superior" gender.

 

[King Of Crows]

Women are equal with men, not the same as or identical with them. Women are men's human, social, intellectual, and spiritual equals. Not superior. Not inferior. Equal. Women must not be viewed as less important, less valuable, less intelligent, less worthy of human dignity and respect, and inferior to men due to being female. Men do not belong to the "chosen" or "superior" gender.

Who said anything about spiritual equality ? :sy:

Read the OP's post.

 

[Revyy]

I'm sorry if our logical discussion offended your sensitive emotions. No one is saying that women are weak but are simply given "breaks" by the system. This is an undeniable fact. Of course you are at liberty to believe what you want as you are a 21st Century independent woman. However your beliefs while your own are unimportant to anyone apart from you.

This is a discussion of facts.
1) Women have fewer hoops to jump through in military, colleges, or job markets in general.

2) Women can murder their husbands and children and still be acquitted.

3) Women will almost always receive custody of children even if they are unfit parents.

4) Single moms are neither encouraged to seek employment nor is it necessary to do so as in most cases fathers are nailed with so much in the way of child support and alimony that they themselves can barely survive.

5) Some women call themselves princesses and walk around with an inflated sense of self worth, believing that they should have a certain quality of living despite the fact that they have done nothing to earn it.

6) This is not a discussion about what you find offensive.

I wasn't replying to the discussion you men seem to having. Simply the Op's original thread. I never found anything you guys said offensive, in fact most of the statements were pretty accurate. You must be new around here. I really could care less what you guys were discussing, It does not effect me on an emotional level at all. You do realize the bolded part can go both ways right? Now let me break your flawed side down k?

1.) Woman have fewer hoops to jump through in Military, Colleges and Job markets.

- This in some ways is true, but in many ways It's wrongly misjudged. If anything Woman have to work harder in college if they want to get into men dominated fields. They must do better than most male peers going for whatever degree. Say a woman and man are going for the same Job (Let's say Engineer). Let's say that they graduated with the exact same credits, but the company hires the Male. The female did all that work only to be not chosen. Why? Simple Male industry. Men are hired faster than Woman. Thus we have to work harder to achieve the same thing. Now in some cases you are correct we get what we want...Sorry we have boobs and guys are attracted to that LOL. Is that our fault? I already explained the Military. Let's move on shall we?

2.) Women can murder their husbands and children and still be acquitted.

-You must not know what you are talking about. They are acquitted because of two things. The Lawyers they hire and a jury. See here in America the Jury decides the fate of these Woman. You do realize Men can murder more than one person/woman and get away with it if they have the right lawyer and Jury. Ever heard of that guy who had murder his twins but he was let go because evidence wasn't enough? Being a woman really don't play a role? Is it her fault that the Jury were ****ing idiots and let her go? Have you ever looked close? most of the jurors are men -.-. Now gender don't play as big a role as people make It out be. People take advantage of the system!! Saying Woman get away with it is very sexist. Men get away as well.

3.) Women will almost always receive custody of children even if they are unfit parents.

- Again you are using a sexist fact. The fact they are a woman plays little part. I mean sure they can play that a Woman would be better, but really It's all on the judge in these cases. Have you ever been to one of these trials? I have. My mother was a horrible drug addict as was my father and they fought. My dad had a job at the time so the judge ruled.. Guess who won my Dad, awesome right? No he dumped me and my 3 sisters in an orphanage in Kentucky. My mother? Got clean and was doing great, bought a house and car. Hmm who was better off eh? But I guess woman ALWAYs WIN huh

4.)Single moms are neither encouraged to seek employment nor is it necessary to do so as in most cases fathers are nailed with so much in the way of child support and alimony that they themselves can barely survive.

- Once again a stupid and baseless statement. Most single mothers have to work 2 jobs or more to survive, Unless they married a super rich guy (Woman like that are disgusting). The fact is each state is different. Here you can be in a relationship and if you have a kid and are not married the man has to pay child support. That's not fair at all. BTW the amount is based off their income and how many kids they had. Woman in order to keep getting those payments have to work. My sister recently divorced she has 5 kids, guess how much he pays in total? 500 bucks. He makes 90k a year oh yeah he's suffering all right. As for alimony there is something called a prenup, also maybe if people didn't rush into marriage this shit wouldn't happen so often.

5.)Some women call themselves princesses and walk around with an inflated sense of self worth, believing that they should have a certain quality of living despite the fact that they have done nothing to earn it.

-This made me laugh harder than It should have. Who's fault is that? If they have rich parents and are brought up like that. I have only seen this happen in movies or in extreme cases of super rich men. You seem to take some of your points off of shows like The Real Housewives or those shows that give Woman a bad name. I seriously have no idea where this came from because most normal Woman would never say something so damn stupid. Girls maybe. If they do..man they should be ashamed of themselves lol

6) This is not a discussion about what you find offensive.

-If i do recall I never said I took offense to anything that was said. Is It my fault you took It that way? I don't think so. I simply gave my points and my reasoning behind them, If this came across as I was offended then you are sadly mistaken. Did your statements offend me? Not really, but I felt the need to point out how stupid some of those points where in my opinion. I'm entitled to do that. This has been delightful.