[Discussion] Women on the front lines in war

[KingHashirama]

To be blunt, women are not as physically gifted as men are on average. Period. Lowering the standards for women to enter the military is incredibly stupid and will only lead to more problems. Now,if there's a women who can handle the workload(literally), then I am all for her gaining entry-but the standards MUST NOT be dropped just for women.

We see a similar problem in the police force in my country(Australia) I read an article some time back about female police officers getting assaulted/overpowered by criminals more often on average than the male police officers.

#Black Widow xD lolllll

 

[KingHashirama]

Almost anybody can shoot a gun. The days where wars were fought hand-to hand or with axes, swords, shields, bows and arrows are long behind us.

Its a much more even playing field now. Still, I think war is wrong and nobody should participate in general.

But if guys are allowed to do it, females should be too. If she's a good markswoman then I'd be happy to have her for team 'Murrica

Even though they teach soldiers how fight hand to hand and be skillful with knifes?

Hand to hand combat will always exist mate.

 

[KingHashirama]

There are some real scumbags in the military we just don't portray that and kick them out as quickly as possible. You have no idea the retardation I have witnessed in the army. You clearly have no idea what your talking about with females defending themselves against rape.

Hmm since you are knowledgeable in this affair, I have a quick question what happened to the soldiers from the abu ghraib incident?

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[Bantos]

Women can shoot just as well as men can.
I'd say that they should lower the requirements for EVERYONE and not just females so it'd be fair.

 

[KingHashirama]

Women can shoot just as well as men can.
I'd say that they should lower the requirements for EVERYONE and not just females so it'd be fair.

Honestly, I would want the elite to be in the elite forces.. not simply anyone.

 

[Jin Hayami]

Women can shoot just as well as men can.
I'd say that they should lower the requirements for EVERYONE and not just females so it'd be fair.

There is so much wrong with that idea I can't even start without possibly stroking out.

Hmm since you are knowledgeable in this affair, I have a quick question what happened to the soldiers from the abu ghraib incident?

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Yeah eleven convictions. Fourteen overall relieved from duty. A general lost his star.
On one level I have to think some of it was just a combination of incompetence and the fact that prisoners will always complain about living conditions. It prison. It isn't supposed to be nice.
That said the CIA "torture memo's" were completely out of line. That's some Washington shit stain trying to bend the rules to make his job easier. Which is what caused us to invade Iraq in the first god damn place. Obviously they've swept up some house since then but god damn. That one ***** and her boyfriend that were taking pictures of them ****ing with the prisoners deserved their trip to Leavenworth.
That's why I don't trust the ****ing National Guard and reservists. Unprofessional weekend warriors who clog up facebook and ****ing twitter with their uber hooah crap when they only do it once a month. They think of it more as a game than a job.
Plus MP's are douchebags. Seriously. **** those dudes.

 

[Jin Hayami]

Honestly, I would want the elite to be in the elite forces.. not simply anyone.

I guarantee his room his stocked with participation trophies from his childhood.

 

[KingHashirama]

There is so much wrong with that idea I can't even start without possibly stroking out.



Yeah eleven convictions. Fourteen overall relieved from duty. A general lost his star.
On one level I have to think some of it was just a combination of incompetence and the fact that prisoners will always complain about living conditions. It prison. It isn't supposed to be nice.
That said the CIA "torture memo's" were completely out of line. That's some Washington shit stain trying to bend the rules to make his job easier. Which is what caused us to invade Iraq in the first god damn place. Obviously they've swept up some house since then but god damn. That one ***** and her boyfriend that were taking pictures of them ****ing with the prisoners deserved their trip to Leavenworth.
That's why I don't trust the ****ing National Guard and reservists. Unprofessional weekend warriors who clog up facebook and ****ing twitter with their uber hooah crap when they only do it once a month. They think of it more as a game than a job.
Plus MP's are douchebags. Seriously. **** those dudes.

But do you believe those punishments are enough ?

And also, the problem was more than 80% of the prisoners were basically innocent civilians. lol. I don't think this was even a prison more like prison games of torture.

And yea shouldn't there be rules on the military people posting pictures on media sites?

 

[Jin Hayami]

But do you believe those punishments are enough ?

And also, the problem was more than 80% of the prisoners were basically innocent civilians. lol. I don't think this was even a prison more like prison games of torture.

And yea shouldn't there be rules on the military people posting pictures on media sites?

Lets see ten years in a federal prison for two people. A dozen dishonorable discharges which is essentially a felony conviction. And of course a one star general losing rank which is ****ing unheard of because congress has to vote on it. Yeah. I think they handled it.

There are rules but its all about information security. I think it was Oliver North that got kicked out of country because he drew a picture of some marines plan to assault a town on a broadcast. Shit still happens. Take a selfie with a bunch of antennas and put it on facebook. You're ****ed. Security clearance out the window. Not only did you just show what equipment you're using and where but the only way to post it on the internet is plug a personal device into a military computer which is a big no no. Not to mention the Afghans actually have it in their heads that our antennas are laser weapons. I'm not shitting you. They are that ignorant to technology.

 

[Poptart]

if the said women can cope up with the difficult physical strains on their bodies, sure

 

[Poptart]

if the said women can cope up with the difficult physical strains on their bodies, sure

 

[Rekudakune]

Women shouldnt be in front lines or MOS'S because mostly women arent physically strong as men, also require much more care and need for them. besides men are more likley to risk things protecting women than they would for a man. and thats a no no

 

[TJ600]

#Black Widow xD lolllll

Lel, I love the marvel universe movies. Cap 2 was pretty cool.(black widow was in it.)

 

[Rekudakune]

Men shouldn't either

embarrasing to call that even an opinion when you got 2 odds stacked against you. bible and science.
its man job to fight and woman to cook dinner, same with reality its males natural instinct to protect females in animals and morally in humans

 

[KingHashirama]

Lets see ten years in a federal prison for two people. A dozen dishonorable discharges which is essentially a felony conviction. And of course a one star general losing rank which is ****ing unheard of because congress has to vote on it. Yeah. I think they handled it.

There are rules but its all about information security. I think it was Oliver North that got kicked out of country because he drew a picture of some marines plan to assault a town on a broadcast. Shit still happens. Take a selfie with a bunch of antennas and put it on facebook. You're ****ed. Security clearance out the window. Not only did you just show what equipment you're using and where but the only way to post it on the internet is plug a personal device into a military computer which is a big no no. Not to mention the Afghans actually have it in their heads that our antennas are laser weapons. I'm not shitting you. They are that ignorant to technology.

oh damn. Hmmm, i don't think it was really enough..tho man. I mean i have seen the documentry and all, those people don't even feel sad or anything about. Just excuses after excuses.

I think it becomes a problem, when a soldier follows order without using his head. And i believe the CIA and other washington people were said to be part of this also, but none of them got trialed X_X.


If you don't mind I have one more question for you. Has the military gotten more ignorant or arrogant or childish like when it comes to the troops ,and the people who lead them.

 

[Jin Hayami]

oh damn. Hmmm, i don't think it was really enough..tho man. I mean i have seen the documentry and all, those people don't even feel sad or anything about. Just excuses after excuses.

I think it becomes a problem, when a soldier follows order without using his head. And i believe the CIA and other washington people were said to be part of this also, but none of them got trialed X_X.


If you don't mind I have one more question for you. Has the military gotten more ignorant or arrogant or childish like when it comes to the troops ,and the people who lead them.

Here's a secret about documentarians. They will provide whatever outlook they want on the subject. They aren't the news. They aren't there to tell you how things are. They are always. And I mean ALWAYS going to spin things to make money and prove their view. I watched a documentary a guy made about missile strikes in countries we aren't at war with. He made JSOC out to be this big secret mysterious hulking presence in the world. JSOC has been out in the open for a while now. The classified stuff they do will blow your mind. Fortunately they are VERY ****ing good at covering their tracks. The kinetic strikes on foreign terror cells? Yeah pretty open about all that.Then he went on about how one strike killed a 16 year old because he was the son of the number two guy in the Haqqani Network. Well lets see. 16 year old terrorists are a dime a dozen and he was the son of a high ranking individual. Lets put two and two together. Kid was being groomed by high ranking terrorists to take his fathers place. We found out. We smoked him. Not much of a mystery is it? There is a ridiculous stigma surrounding the special operations community and what they do and how they do it. Documentarians love to exploit that. So when a certain individual went to Somalia to write a book about how the US is plundering and raping them and the pirates are simply trying to live their lives (against direct warning not to do so) and ended up being kidnapped by said pirates its no wonder that they haven't sent people to rescue him yet. Really **** documentarians. They are just as bad as any news station.

Leadership babies their ****ing soldiers and that not only creates more retarded work to do but it takes away their ability to actually think for themselves. That's why my career is taking a nose dive. I don't give a shit if a couple of SPCs call each other by first name. I don't make my soldiers stand at parade rest for me unless they piss me off. I expect them to act like adults and I've always gotten outstanding results from my soldiers. If I don't I don't take rank. I don't write them a stupid ****ing counseling statement. I smoke their asses if they disrespect someone. I make them write essays if they break something. I make them carry around a 40lbs ammo can of dirt if they lose something. That's me. I grew up with a military father who taught me how to be an NCO. Modern army doesn't teach you how to lead. Only kiss the ass of the person above you and break your back to make sure the weaklings don't feel left out. That's a load of shit.

For example.
I was recently deployed with an individual who thought "big boy rules" meant him inspecting every little thing MY soldiers did. No. He is a Staff Sgt. I am a buck Sgt. He tells me what needs to happen. I make sure it happens. That's our roles. Micromanagement is the mark of an incompetent leader. He then decided to rearrange the teams SEVERAL times while we were about to deploy. I don't want my guys who I've personally trained going out with his team. Half of them were incompetent dipshits that don't even know how to operate the system we are supposed to. Then he proceeds to tell me that he's keeping my assistant team leader back at HQ with him because he doesn't have the clearance and needs my ATL to go to certain briefs he isn't allowed to attend. I think that's horse shit he shouldn't be here if he can't do his job. But whatever. Couple months pass by and he tells me that I have to return to HQ and leave ALL of my soldiers out in the field. Won't tell me why. I've been rotating this whole time between teams and he has been sitting on his ass watching downloaded movies the whole time. Apparently he sent my ATL home because he was using workout supplements that contained banned ingredients. Nothing that gets you high just not FDA approved. I proceed to lose my shit on this guy because he just ****ed one of the best soldiers I've ever seen out of his clearance and therefore his MOS and career over some dumb shit like that. He decides to give me an Article 15 and says he's sending ME home. I proceed to beat the ever loving shit out of this man in front of three field grade officers. He was sent home for incompetence. I was sent home for beating the shit out of him. If I'm losing pay it better be worth it. Leaving no NCO's. Whole team got pulled back. SSG Fatass is now stuck in ops as an Lt's *****. I was sent to another post when I got back. My ATL is waiting on his reclassification to a mechanic. All because they wouldn't listen to us when we said this guy didn't belong in our platoon (which you have to try out for and be selected to in the first place) and command said they had to have an E-6 for this deployment. ****ing bullshit.

 

[KingHashirama]

Here's a secret about documentarians. They will provide whatever outlook they want on the subject. They aren't the news. They aren't there to tell you how things are. They are always. And I mean ALWAYS going to spin things to make money and prove their view. I watched a documentary a guy made about missile strikes in countries we aren't at war with. He made JSOC out to be this big secret mysterious hulking presence in the world. JSOC has been out in the open for a while now. The classified stuff they do will blow your mind. Fortunately they are VERY ****ing good at covering their tracks. The kinetic strikes on foreign terror cells? Yeah pretty open about all that.Then he went on about how one strike killed a 16 year old because he was the son of the number two guy in the Haqqani Network. Well lets see. 16 year old terrorists are a dime a dozen and he was the son of a high ranking individual. Lets put two and two together. Kid was being groomed by high ranking terrorists to take his fathers place. We found out. We smoked him. Not much of a mystery is it? There is a ridiculous stigma surrounding the special operations community and what they do and how they do it. Documentarians love to exploit that. So when a certain individual went to Somalia to write a book about how the US is plundering and raping them and the pirates are simply trying to live their lives (against direct warning not to do so) and ended up being kidnapped by said pirates its no wonder that they haven't sent people to rescue him yet. Really **** documentarians. They are just as bad as any news station.

Leadership babies their ****ing soldiers and that not only creates more retarded work to do but it takes away their ability to actually think for themselves. That's why my career is taking a nose dive. I don't give a shit if a couple of SPCs call each other by first name. I don't make my soldiers stand at parade rest for me unless they piss me off. I expect them to act like adults and I've always gotten outstanding results from my soldiers. If I don't I don't take rank. I don't write them a stupid ****ing counseling statement. I smoke their asses if they disrespect someone. I make them write essays if they break something. I make them carry around a 40lbs ammo can of dirt if they lose something. That's me. I grew up with a military father who taught me how to be an NCO. Modern army doesn't teach you how to lead. Only kiss the ass of the person above you and break your back to make sure the weaklings don't feel left out. That's a load of shit.

For example.
I was recently deployed with an individual who thought "big boy rules" meant him inspecting every little thing MY soldiers did. No. He is a Staff Sgt. I am a buck Sgt. He tells me what needs to happen. I make sure it happens. That's our roles. Micromanagement is the mark of an incompetent leader. He then decided to rearrange the teams SEVERAL times while we were about to deploy. I don't want my guys who I've personally trained going out with his team. Half of them were incompetent dipshits that don't even know how to operate the system we are supposed to. Then he proceeds to tell me that he's keeping my assistant team leader back at HQ with him because he doesn't have the clearance and needs my ATL to go to certain briefs he isn't allowed to attend. I think that's horse shit he shouldn't be here if he can't do his job. But whatever. Couple months pass by and he tells me that I have to return to HQ and leave ALL of my soldiers out in the field. Won't tell me why. I've been rotating this whole time between teams and he has been sitting on his ass watching downloaded movies the whole time. Apparently he sent my ATL home because he was using workout supplements that contained banned ingredients. Nothing that gets you high just not FDA approved. I proceed to lose my shit on this guy because he just ****ed one of the best soldiers I've ever seen out of his clearance and therefore his MOS and career over some dumb shit like that. He decides to give me an Article 15 and says he's sending ME home. I proceed to beat the ever loving shit out of this man in front of three field grade officers. He was sent home for incompetence. I was sent home for beating the shit out of him. If I'm losing pay it better be worth it. Leaving no NCO's. Whole team got pulled back. SSG Fatass is now stuck in ops as an Lt's *****. I was sent to another post when I got back. My ATL is waiting on his reclassification to a mechanic. All because they wouldn't listen to us when we said this guy didn't belong in our platoon (which you have to try out for and be selected to in the first place) and command said they had to have an E-6 for this deployment. ****ing bullshit.

holy ****ing shit man.

Its the same with our schools nowadays man. America is slowly and slowly becoming incompetant. We are forgetting the "hardships" or atleast not trying to go through them.

But man its a big air of relief to see someone like you out there.

And I was mostly raised by my mom since my dad was in the navy and when he came home he would help uncles and aunts with their farming. But having a dad who has done his part in the navy like a respectable man sure is a nice thing to look up to. And I believe it was the same for you, in regards to lookin up to your dad when it came to the military?

Honestly man what I wanted to do was a mass revolution as a politician. But then someone reminded me that if i do a revolution as a politician then i will kind of loose credibility. So I am planning to do a global wide revolution of these corrupt laws we have installed within our countries, and all the morals we have forgotten. Throwing away the good things.

I mean I perfectly understand that a country is selfish because it has to look after its own people in this kind of a world, and when 1 country rises up another falls. Now that just ain't right to me. And I think making a unification in the militaries of all the countries would be the first step to uniting the world.... what is your take on this sir?