[Discussion] Why you say Vergo is the 2nd strongest DD member?

[Joseph Gomes]

Pica has definite size and strength advantage, while Vergo has speed advantage

Hard to judge who's the stronger one because both characters faced opponents with different techniques.

Need more feats from Pica for a better argument tbh

 

[Punk Hazard]

Pica says if DD allows him to go all out he will be enough to defeat Pirates and Marines(Fujitora)

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You mean like how Buggy said he was gonna kill Whitebeard? Like how Enel said he'd defeat Luffy? Like how Ace said he's gonna kill Teach?

OT: I'd say Vergo is above Pica. They have the same rank within the family so being an executive means nothing. Pica uses stone, Vergo is harder than steel. Being able to shift Terrain means nothing to a character like Vergo who can fly. Vergo also has shown greater speed feats than Pica, and being part of the family, probably knows Pica and his fighting style well, so he'll be able to catch Pica a lot quicker than Zoro did.

No matter how I look at it, Vergo wins.

 

[Fireplay]

OP is stupid. Pica aint no island buster.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Also, are people forgetting that Violet wanted to avoid Pica because he could control the completely made of stone palace? Its not because he was uber strong, but because he had a convenient ability capable of stopping and delaying their mission. Put Pica in a room made of steel, and he ain't that impressive tbh.

 

[My Username]

Also, are people forgetting that Violet wanted to avoid Pica because he could control the completely made of stone palace? Its not because he was uber strong, but because he had a convenient ability capable of stopping and delaying their mission. Put Pica in a room made of steel, and he ain't that impressive tbh.

Thats just his DF weakness something which all DF users have...i mean take away Mihawk's sword and i doubt he can do shit and whats to stop Pica from creating 2 huge stone fists and smashing Vergo non stop?

@Fireplay : Pica can destroy Dressrosa(an island) by just smashing it non-stop

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thats just his DF weakness something which all DF users have...i mean take away Mihawk's sword and i doubt he can do shit and whats to stop Pica from creating 2 huge stone fists and smashing Vergo non stop?

@Fireplay : Pica can destroy Dressrosa(an island) by just smashing it non-stop

Pica assimilates, not creates stone. And the fact that Vergo's body can be made harder than steel and he can easily fly and speed blitz out of the way. Those giant stone fists aren't gonna be that fast, so Vergo has a clear advantage.

Buso Koka>Stone, and Vergo is capable of causing shockwaves that direct steel with just the aftermath in his blows, so he can pretty much destroy Pica with clean blows.

 

[Bogard]

Like i've said, Pica is arguably a greater tank than Vergo. The strongest attack Vergo tanked was comparable to a diable jambe attack(that made him bleed still). Pica on the other side tanked an attack vastly superior like 1080 pound phoenix only coming out of it with a bloodied lip, something impressive considering Zoro's regular slashes can cut steel like fruit, so not to mention that attack that could cut a mountain size golem in half. In the physical department, Pica absolutely destroys Vergo. I'm not even sure if Doflamingo himself is a better tank than him

Hypewise, Viola expressed worry concerning him a lot of times

She originally thought they were done for when Pica intervened:

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Later on she was still worried if Zoro will really be okay:

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Fujitora called him dangerous

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With Drilled Chinjao who seemed worried about how to handle the golem

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[VongolaX]

It's because Vergo showed Haki to the fans amusement, they think his Haki is so powerful that he can beat the top executives.

Which is stupid..

One stupid member was ranting about how there is no such thing as executives and that it's a mistranslation.

Dumb@ss doesn't show one and calls me dumb.

It's astonishing how people think, you just wonder if they think at all.

Vergo's an officier like Jora, but he's the strongest of the whole DD army.

Three top executives beat him, whether you like it or not.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's because Vergo showed Haki to the fans amusement, they think his Haki is so powerful that he can beat the top executives.

Which is stupid..

One stupid member was ranting about how there is no such thing as executives and that it's a mistranslation.

Dumb@ss doesn't show one and calls me dumb.

It's astonishing how people think, you just wonder if they think at all.

Vergo's an officier like Jora, but he's the strongest of the whole DD army.

Three top executives beat him, whether you like it or not.

Still too stupid for my taste.


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He's an elite officier, not an elite executive.

There is no such thing as an elite executive. The executives are top/elite officers, just like Vergo is.

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Vergo and the three Executives are equal in rank. Executives are a certain type of elite officer, that' it.

Are you talking about that chapter where the title is about Pica? If so, that's a mistranslation, it's actually just called Executive Officer Pica. Also, you do realize that "top executive" just means he's the strongest of the three.

I never said there is no such thing as an Executive Officer, but that there is no such thing as an Elite Executive, a rank you tried to say is real. I said the mistranslation was in the name of the chapter concerning Pica. If you have to lie about what I said, then you're too incompetent to debate in the first place.

2. I showed you a scan of Vergo being called an ¨Elite Officer" and a scan of the Executives being called the top officers. Top and elite mean the same thing. Vergo isn't an executive, but he isn't below the rank of executive either. An Executive is an elite officer, just like Vergo is, they just occupy a Suit Seat while Vergo didn't because Doffy decided to send him abroad. Vergo is no more an officer like Giolla than the Executives are, all of them rank above a normal officer in the same rank. I also love how you said the Tontottas not mentioning Vergo is proof he's below them, but once proof was presented that Vergo wasn't on Dressrosa for them to know about him, you didn't respond.

The only dumbass around here is you, Varia.

 

[VongolaX]

Still too stupid for my taste.


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I never said there is no such thing as an Executive Officer, but that there is no such thing as an Elite Executive, a rank you tried to say is real. I said the mistranslation was in the name of the chapter concerning Pica. If you have to lie about what I said, then you're too incompetent to debate in the first place.

2. I showed you a scan of Vergo being called an ¨Elite Officer" and a scan of the Executives being called the top officers. Top and elite mean the same thing. Vergo isn't an executive, but he isn't below the rank of executive either. An Executive is an elite officer, just like Vergo is, they just occupy a Suit Seat while Vergo didn't because Doffy decided to send him abroad. Vergo is no more an officer like Giolla than the Executives are, all of them rank above a normal officer in the same rank. I also love how you said the Tontottas not mentioning Vergo is proof he's below them, but once proof was presented that Vergo wasn't on Dressrosa for them to know about him, you didn't respond.

The only dumbass around here is you, Varia.

Didn't need to read this garbage

Highest officers >>>>elite officer

Peeka, Trebol, and Diamnte >>>>Vergo

Elite: the best, quality, cream of the crop

Highest: no one else is f*cking above or at their level

The literacy on this fool...:|

 

[Love Cook]

Didn't need to read this garbage

Highest officers >>>>elite officer

Peeka, Trebol, and Diamnte >>>>Vergo

Elite: the best, quality, cream of the crop

Highest: no one else is f*cking above or at their level

The literacy on this fool...:|

So genius tell me this, why was Vergo set out by Doflamingo to retrieve Law to the heart seat by force ?

Doflamingo and Vergo expected to stomp Law if he would get out of control. Meaning that is what Doflamingo thinks a card seat is worth against Vergo.

Pica hasn't shown any haki
Pica hasn't been any real threat
Pica has been playing a game of hide and seek instead of going on the attack like Vergo
Pica is made out of mere stone while Vergo was like a mass of steel, even without his haki.
Pica is sluggish as hell while Vergo can use soru and skywalk.
Just the air movement of Vergo's swing with his bamboo stick is enough to bend thick metal doors

There is no way that Pica is anywhere near Vergo.

Vergo one on one against Pica's real body would be a massacre.

If we give Pica advantage of the home terrain and let him form a giant, he would never be able to hit Vergo who uses Soru. Vergo would break down statue Pica just like Luffy, Zoro, Don Chinjao and the king of Prodence did. It's not even impressive anymore at this point who all managed to break him.

Sanji got beaten in his own game of kicking while that isn't Vergo's main fighting style.
Smoker got beaten in a stick fight and his kairoseki jutte broke
Law was beaten inside his room a couple of times.

Everything indicates that Vergo was far superior than all other executives under Doflamingo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Didn't need to read this garbage

Highest officers >>>>elite officer

Peeka, Trebol, and Diamnte >>>>Vergo

Elite: the best, quality, cream of the crop

Highest: no one else is f*cking above or at their level

The literacy on this fool...:|

You do realize the meaning for best is nothing is above or at its level? You just said what I've been saying:Executive and Elite Officers are the same rank. The word you applied for elite has the definition you applied for Executive, you bakayaro
Ironic that you're calling me a fool.

 

[VongolaX]

You do realize the meaning for best is nothing is above or at its level? You just said what I've been saying:Executive and Elite Officers are the same rank. The word you applied for elite has the definition you applied for Executive, you bakayaro
Ironic that you're calling me a fool.

Look up the word elite and than highest, both are not the same meaning.

Elite is based of better quality, highest is the incomparable level.

Yes, you're still a fool

 

[Punk Hazard]

Look up the word elite and than highest, both are not the same meaning.

Elite is based of better quality, highest is the incomparable level.

Yes, you're still a fool

First you said elite is the best, now you're saying based of better quality.

1. You're starting to contradict yourself.

2. If elite means best, as you yourself originally claimed, and the title is elite officer, then it means, of all the officers, Vergo is among the highest. The executives are also officers, and are described as the top of the officers, meaning that they are also among the highest. Using your original definition of elite, elite officer still ranks in equally with executive officer.

3. Using your brand new definition of elite, which means of better quality, the same can still be said. Elite officer means the best quality when it comes to officers, better than all of the others. An executive officer is among the top, better than all the others, making it equal with elite officer.

4. There is nothing higher than elite. Elite means at the very top. Because Vergo is an elite officer, that means that when it comes to officers, he is at the very top, there are no officers above him. The Executives are officers, so they are also not above him.

5. Definition of elite, as you requested to be looked up
noun
1.
a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities.

The group is the officers. Vergo is a member of the select part of that group(officers being the group) that is superior to the rest, meaning that when it comes to officers, he's the highest you can be. An Executive officers is described as the top of the officers, yet another way the definition of the word show that an elite officer and an executive officer are on equal standing rank-wise.

Every way you slice it, Vergo is equal in rank to the Executives.

I'm curious, anyone else want to chip in here? I see quite a few people viewing, and I wonder what your outlook on this "Elite officer is/isn't equal to an executive officer" thing is.

 

[VongolaX]

First you said elite is the best, now you're saying based of better quality.

1. You're starting to contradict yourself.

2. If elite means best, as you yourself originally claimed, and the title is elite officer, then it means, of all the officers, Vergo is among the highest. The executives are also officers, and are described as the top of the officers, meaning that they are also among the highest. Using your original definition of elite, elite officer still ranks in equally with executive officer.

3. Using your brand new definition of elite, which means of better quality, the same can still be said. Elite officer means the best quality when it comes to officers, better than all of the others. An executive officer is among the top, better than all the others, making it equal with elite officer.

4. There is nothing higher than elite. Elite means at the very top. Because Vergo is an elite officer, that means that when it comes to officers, he is at the very top, there are no officers above him. The Executives are officers, so they are also not above him.

5. Definition of elite, as you requested to be looked up
noun
1.
a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities.

The group is the officers. Vergo is a member of the select part of that group(officers being the group) that is superior to the rest, meaning that when it comes to officers, he's the highest you can be. An Executive officers is described as the top of the officers, yet another way the definition of the word show that an elite officer and an executive officer are on equal standing rank-wise.

Every way you slice it, Vergo is equal in rank to the Executives.

I'm curious, anyone else want to chip in here? I see quite a few people viewing, and I wonder what your outlook on this "Elite officer is/isn't equal to an executive officer" thing is.

The synonym for elite is best and quality, in no circumstances is it considered the highest.

You copied and paste the definition yourself, a SELECT FEW THAT ARE SUPERIOR IN ABILITY AND QUALITY.

That means that out of all the officers, Vergo's abilities are refined, they have quality to it.

The three executives are called the highest or the strongest executive.

Meaning in power they're above the rest, despite not having any quality comparable to Vergo.

Vergo's abilities are the best, but it is not the strongest.

How are you not getting this?

 

[Hexuze]

I'm curious, anyone else want to chip in here? I see quite a few people viewing, and I wonder what your outlook on this "Elite officer is/isn't equal to an executive officer" thing is.

Nope...

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I already gave my take on the whole Vergo vs Pica discussion. Rank isn't really a big deal when it comes to strength, who knows how Doffy determined the hierarchy of ranks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The synonym for elite is best and quality, in no circumstances is it considered the highest.

You copied and paste the definition yourself, a SELECT FEW THAT ARE SUPERIOR IN ABILITY AND QUALITY.

That means that out of all the officers, Vergo's abilities are refined, they have quality to it.

The three executives are called the highest or the strongest executive.

Meaning in power they're above the rest, despite not having any quality comparable to Vergo.

Vergo's abilities are the best, but it is not the strongest.

How are you not getting this?

There is nothing beyond the best, and there is nothing beyond the highest. Therefore, they are in equal standing.

Yes, those select few are Vergo, Pica, Diamante, and Trebol. Those four are the elite, the top four, equal in rank.

Out of all the officers, you just said it yourself. And who are considered officers? The three Executives.

Pica was called the highest executive, meaning of the three, he's the strongest. The Executives are at the top of the officers, same as Vergo, once again, making them equal in rank.

Which would mean Vergo>three Executives. You're saying that their strength and skills aren't comparable to Vergo's, his are inferior, and yet you also claim that they are stronger than Vergo?

Vergo has the best strength, but he isn't the strongest? That makes no sense.

How are you not getting that because there is nothing beyond elite, and nothing beyond highest, they are equal in standing?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nope...

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I already gave my take on the whole Vergo vs Pica discussion. Rank isn't really a big deal when it comes to strength, who knows how Doffy determined the hierarchy of ranks.

That's exactly part of my point. You can't use rank to determine who's better between Pica and Vergo, especially since their ranks are equal.

 

[VongolaX]

There is nothing beyond the best, and there is nothing beyond the highest. Therefore, they are in equal standing.

Yes, those select few are Vergo, Pica, Diamante, and Trebol. Those four are the elite, the top four, equal in rank.

Out of all the officers, you just said it yourself. And who are considered officers? The three Executives.

Pica was called the highest executive, meaning of the three, he's the strongest. The Executives are at the top of the officers, same as Vergo, once again, making them equal in rank.

Which would mean Vergo>three Executives. You're saying that their strength and skills aren't comparable to Vergo's, his are inferior, and yet you also claim that they are stronger than Vergo?

Vergo has the best strength, but he isn't the strongest? That makes no sense.

How are you not getting that because there is nothing beyond elite, and nothing beyond highest, they are equal in standing?

Lol so elite is now the highest right?

So best means the highest or strongest?

Vergo who you think is stronger than the three highest doesn't even have a seat, and now he's somehow above everyone else?

Go home :|

 

[VongolaX]

Peeka will smash the sh*t out of Vergo...

He wouldn't be able to go up against the happo navy.