Why Tobi can be VERY efficient with the Rinnegan

[rai shado]

Tobi has the potential to be the best Rinnegan user we have ever seen.

One of this thread's basis is Tobi claiming that the Rinnegan was already his. That would mean that Tobi already has some experience in using the Rinnegan.

The other basis is that Tobi can use the Rinnegan along with his other techniques, and become pretty much unbeatable.

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First of all, here's further proof that Tobi had the Rinnegan before:

-Its been shown that when implanting an eye that someone has never used before, they need to rest for a few days-weeks. Such as when Tobi implanted Itachi's eyes into Sasuke. Sasuke had to wait a few weeks before removing the cloth around his eyes.

-Tobi implanted the Rinnegan right after getting it, and he didn't need to rest at all or anything like that. He just started using it right away. And he's apparently good with the Rinnegan, noted when Naruto claimed that Tobi's chakra rods were much more powerful compared to Nagato's.

-Anyway, it should be known that Tobi can use all Rinnegan techniques, shown with his knowledge and experience with the Rinnegan already.

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Anyways, here's why Tobi can be extremely good and efficient in using the Rinnegan:

-His techniques are probably on a larger scale than Nagato's. If his chakra rods have been noted to be stronger than Nagato's, than his other Rinnegan techniques are probably stronger too. He also seems to have an almost endless supply of chakra, giving him an advantage.

-He can apparently use Gedo Mazo better. This is obviously partly due to the Bijuus being sealed inside Gedo Mazo, therefore Gedo Mazo not requiring any of Tobi's chakra. But even then, Nagato never seemingly attempted to use Gedo Mazo in battle, even when some of the Bijuus were sealed within it. This shows that either Nagato wasn't confident in his control over Gedo Mazo, or because he didn't have enough chakra to control it. Being able to control Gedo Mazo with 7 Bijuus in it flawlessly gives Tobi a huge advantage in his Rinnegan use already.

-His chakra drain seems to be minimal when using the Rinnegan. He's been controlling six Bijuus yet has shown no sign of chakra drain or fatigue during the battle against Naruto and co. And it can be noted that he's been keeping Gedo Mazo under his control at the same time. Nagato was coughing blood while his paths were fighting Naruto, while Tobi has been standing there without any signs of tiring. His minimal chakra drain can possibly be attributed to Tobi apparently being an original Rinnegan user, unlike Nagato.

-Unlike Nagato, Tobi doesn't lack mobility. One of Nagato's weaknesses, as stated by Kabuto, was his lack of mobility. This is probably due to Gedo Mazo impaling Nagato in his early teens. But even while immobile, Nagato was immensely destructive with the Rinnegan. Tobi can use the Rinnegan techs on an even larger scale (look above) and he isn't lacking in mobility, therefore making him a very powerful Rinnegan user.

-Lastly, he can use his Intangiblity hand-in-hand with his Rinnegan techniques, making him practically invincible. Just think about it. He can pretty much spam Shinra Tensei. Whenever he has to cool down for 5 seconds, which can easily be exploited by a faster character like Naruto, he can simply go intangible. This pretty much makes him completely untouchable. And he can use his other Rinnegan techniques along with his intangibility, making him practically invincible. And if his intangiblity ever is exploited, he can use the Preta Path to stop any attack.


He has mobility, unlike Nagato, and intangibility, unlike Madara and Nagato, giving him a huge advantage with the Rinnegan.
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So yeah. Tobi has the opportunity to be extremely powerful in using the Rinnegan, shown by what I've stated above. He can be and probably is better with the Rinnegan compared to Nagato. Tobi can be better with Nagato and Madara due to his intangibility patching up any of the Rinnegan's weaknesses.

Feel free to agree, disagree, and discuss this down below.

Okay, first, if you implant someone's eyes in yourself you'll have to rest only because you just PLUCKED OUT YOUR OWN EYES. Now, if you read carefully you would realize that its only in the case of the MS and EMS that it takes several days for the eyes to rest. My counter to you is Kakashi, when he obtained obito's sharingan he was able to use it right away and he didn't have to rest so thats one argument down.

Nagato would have been much more powerful if he hadn't gone overboard with the gedo mazo during his fight with hanzo, because of that he was severely weekened and his legs also became crippled. If you remember, not even the three Sannin were able to defeat hanzo, and that was when hanzo was by himself and the Sannin were in their prime.

Third, when Edo Nagato absorbed the Hachibi's chakra he became a much bigger problem which was also due to him going overboard with the gedo mazo. But he came back quite effectively, granted nowhere near what he was before the fight with hanzo but still very strong, strong enough to kill Jiraiya.

Nagato has been the best Rinnegan user so far, maybe not the strongest considering the abilities of the other Rinnegan users, but he has the most experience and also has the greatest achievements with the Rinnegan, cause so far neither Madara or Tobi has had it for very long. Like he said, Madara unlocked the Rinnegan shortly before his death, during his fight with 5 kage is probably the most his rinnegan has seen of battle. As for Tobi, we haven't seen much of his rinnegan except for him summoning the Gedo Mazo to bring out and seal the bijuu, probably using shukaku's chakra for it as well. He used a combination of the sharingan and Rinnegan to control each of the bijuu, the rinnegan to suppress the bijuu's control and make it easier for the sharingan to control them.

Now, by the time Nagato fought Naruto he had already used a lot of chakra to take on the village, it took a hell of a lot of chakra to use the shinra tensei to destroy konoha. Nagato was a good half way out of chakra by the time he fought Naruto.

It is getting extremely annoying with people underrating Nagato and overrating Tobi, Tobi isn't that awesome so you fanboys need to chill and think about things before you make useless threads like this.

 

[TobisPawn]

Okay, first, if you implant someone's eyes in yourself you'll have to rest only because you just PLUCKED OUT YOUR OWN EYES. Now, if you read carefully you would realize that its only in the case of the MS and EMS that it takes several days for the eyes to rest. My counter to you is Kakashi, when he obtained obito's sharingan he was able to use it right away and he didn't have to rest so thats one argument down.

Nagato would have been much more powerful if he hadn't gone overboard with the gedo mazo during his fight with hanzo, because of that he was severely weekened and his legs also became crippled. If you remember, not even the three Sannin were able to defeat hanzo, and that was when hanzo was by himself and the Sannin were in their prime.

Third, when Edo Nagato absorbed the Hachibi's chakra he became a much bigger problem which was also due to him going overboard with the gedo mazo. But he came back quite effectively, granted nowhere near what he was before the fight with hanzo but still very strong, strong enough to kill Jiraiya.

Nagato has been the best Rinnegan user so far, maybe not the strongest considering the abilities of the other Rinnegan users, but he has the most experience and also has the greatest achievements with the Rinnegan, cause so far neither Madara or Tobi has had it for very long. Like he said, Madara unlocked the Rinnegan shortly before his death, during his fight with 5 kage is probably the most his rinnegan has seen of battle. As for Tobi, we haven't seen much of his rinnegan except for him summoning the Gedo Mazo to bring out and seal the bijuu, probably using shukaku's chakra for it as well. He used a combination of the sharingan and Rinnegan to control each of the bijuu, the rinnegan to suppress the bijuu's control and make it easier for the sharingan to control them.

Now, by the time Nagato fought Naruto he had already used a lot of chakra to take on the village, it took a hell of a lot of chakra to use the shinra tensei to destroy konoha. Nagato was a good half way out of chakra by the time he fought Naruto.

It is getting extremely annoying with people underrating Nagato and overrating Tobi, Tobi isn't that awesome so you fanboys need to chill and think about things before you make useless threads like this.

Exactly. What I'm saying is Nagato was already so destructive when crippled. If he was not crippled, and if Tobi does have more chakra/power, imagine how much damage both of them can/could do.

 

[Killer Vision]

but the question is..wat point in time did he gave it to nagato?

 

[milesmccray]

Yea i agree.

anyone still think Tobi may be Obito? because we never saw tobi with 2 sharingan

 

[TobisPawn]

but the question is..wat point in time did he gave it to nagato?

Yeah. I'm not sure how Tobi and/or Madara were able to give it to him, unless they implanted it during a Genjutsu.

Yea i agree.

anyone still think Tobi may be Obito? because we never saw tobi with 2 sharingan

He showed both after using Izanagi on Konan, I believe.

 

[Oronagato]

Tobi has the potential to be the best Rinnegan user we have ever seen.

One of this thread's basis is Tobi claiming that the Rinnegan was already his. That would mean that Tobi already has some experience in using the Rinnegan.

The other basis is that Tobi can use the Rinnegan along with his other techniques, and become pretty much unbeatable.

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First of all, here's further proof that Tobi had the Rinnegan before:

-Its been shown that when implanting an eye that someone has never used before, they need to rest for a few days-weeks. Such as when Tobi implanted Itachi's eyes into Sasuke. Sasuke had to wait a few weeks before removing the cloth around his eyes.

-Tobi implanted the Rinnegan right after getting it, and he didn't need to rest at all or anything like that. He just started using it right away. And he's apparently good with the Rinnegan, noted when Naruto claimed that Tobi's chakra rods were much more powerful compared to Nagato's.

-Anyway, it should be known that Tobi can use all Rinnegan techniques, shown with his knowledge and experience with the Rinnegan already.

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Anyways, here's why Tobi can be extremely good and efficient in using the Rinnegan:

-His techniques are probably on a larger scale than Nagato's. If his chakra rods have been noted to be stronger than Nagato's, than his other Rinnegan techniques are probably stronger too. He also seems to have an almost endless supply of chakra, giving him an advantage.

-He can apparently use Gedo Mazo better. This is obviously partly due to the Bijuus being sealed inside Gedo Mazo, therefore Gedo Mazo not requiring any of Tobi's chakra. But even then, Nagato never seemingly attempted to use Gedo Mazo in battle, even when some of the Bijuus were sealed within it. This shows that either Nagato wasn't confident in his control over Gedo Mazo, or because he didn't have enough chakra to control it. Being able to control Gedo Mazo with 7 Bijuus in it flawlessly gives Tobi a huge advantage in his Rinnegan use already.

-His chakra drain seems to be minimal when using the Rinnegan. He's been controlling six Bijuus yet has shown no sign of chakra drain or fatigue during the battle against Naruto and co. And it can be noted that he's been keeping Gedo Mazo under his control at the same time. Nagato was coughing blood while his paths were fighting Naruto, while Tobi has been standing there without any signs of tiring. His minimal chakra drain can possibly be attributed to Tobi apparently being an original Rinnegan user, unlike Nagato.

-Unlike Nagato, Tobi doesn't lack mobility. One of Nagato's weaknesses, as stated by Kabuto, was his lack of mobility. This is probably due to Gedo Mazo impaling Nagato in his early teens. But even while immobile, Nagato was immensely destructive with the Rinnegan. Tobi can use the Rinnegan techs on an even larger scale (look above) and he isn't lacking in mobility, therefore making him a very powerful Rinnegan user.

-Lastly, he can use his Intangiblity hand-in-hand with his Rinnegan techniques, making him practically invincible. Just think about it. He can pretty much spam Shinra Tensei. Whenever he has to cool down for 5 seconds, which can easily be exploited by a faster character like Naruto, he can simply go intangible. This pretty much makes him completely untouchable. And he can use his other Rinnegan techniques along with his intangibility, making him practically invincible. And if his intangiblity ever is exploited, he can use the Preta Path to stop any attack.


He has mobility, unlike Nagato, and intangibility, unlike Madara and Nagato, giving him a huge advantage with the Rinnegan.
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So yeah. Tobi has the opportunity to be extremely powerful in using the Rinnegan, shown by what I've stated above. He can be and probably is better with the Rinnegan compared to Nagato. Tobi can be better with Nagato and Madara due to his intangibility patching up any of the Rinnegan's weaknesses.

Feel free to agree, disagree, and discuss this down below.

There's only one part I disagree with. Kakashi didn't rest when he implanted the sharingan.

 

[milesmccray]

Yeah. I'm not sure how Tobi and/or Madara were able to give it to him, unless they implanted it during a Genjutsu.



He showed both after using Izanagi on Konan, I believe.

oh i guess your right. Maby he got another eye from someone?

 

[Frikid]

he gets chakra from gedo mazo

 

[TobisPawn]

There's only one part I disagree with. Kakashi didn't rest when he implanted the sharingan.

Yeah, that got disproved. I'm too lazy to edit it out right now.

he gets chakra from gedo mazo

Where's your proof?

 

[naruto s06p beastmode]

tobi is gonna be someone unsuspected

 

[huzaifa555]

huh good point i believe u i mean he did say it was his

I think their Madara's eyes.

 

[TobisPawn]

I think their Madara's eyes.

Possibly.

 

[Ngylle]

agreed