Why should I believe in the God?

[Chakra Wizard]

You do realize religious scriptures were written at different points in time, right? (Much like dinosaur fossils being separated between periods)

And the bible wasn't written by God (or whoever you believe came up with God). Only Genesis was said to have been narrated to Moses directly from God (and even then, argument can be made for the existence of the patriarchs). People like Moses, David, Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and yes, even Jesus of Nazareth that appeared later on are considered historical as well as biblical. People like Luke and Matthew and Paul witnessed the events taking place or were told of them and saw fit to write them down. And people make mistakes, unlike God, so the bible is very much inconsistent and full of gaps. And it's definitely affected by what the widespread beliefs were at the time, including both the passage of time and the shape and location of the Earth.

I believe in a God because I don't see the Big Bang happening without someone to set it off (any attempt to explain God through science is just foolish by nature). And I'm a Christian because of the fact that Jesus existed and I see him as a more viable contender for the Messiah than Muhammed. And it certainly wasn't because I had a family that squeezed that idea into my head. I believed in it because the stories (not the themes) of the bible really spoke to me as a person. If they don't for you, then more power to you.

 

[pulkit singh]

Does anyone feel that way? Nothing in the Bible has ever been proven. No one has proven Jesus, Angles, or God's existence. Also all the teachings in the bible were probably made by some old man who was stoned on blueberrys and wrote a story to keep the local town children from being bad.

I am struggling to find a reason to believe in God if nothing is proven.

Rama bridge from Ramayana still exist so maybe god is real

 

[New knight48]

Idk man, I think the existence of angles are pretty important to geometry and math, overall.

I haven't logged on to this site in so long but I just logged on just so I can like this comment lmao.

 

[Xlad]

Looks like you're the only Christain in the sea of atheists. Concerning the big bang analogy you used, you should know that their is a massive difference between believing in some single event and dedicating your life to an imaginary being in the sky. Religion is mean't to completely change your life and control your actions. On the other hand believing in the big bang is inconsequential because it's just a singular event (not proven) that has no effects on our lives.

And yes it would hurt to believe in God. You have to marry to have ***, you can't committ adultery etc. You can't celebrate war or guns and you can't celebrate demons and monsters. Also you can't do drugs. Plus you can't cuss. I'd much rather live a religion free life where I get to do whatever I want, whenever I want.

Lol Is that why you are against religion? Not being part of a religion doesn't make you immune to consequences.

OT: I do believe the possibility of a higher being in existence. Plus, there are teachings that I find good for me. Doesn't really mean I would go as far and taking them as facts. Still...

 

[Baklanio]

I would compare religion to bullshity stuff that people are nowadays brainwashed on TV with. Stop trusting both and become enlightened or just simply use your head.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

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I'm sorry, I can't hold my tongue. You did not just register on a Naruto-themed forum so you could make a post on a thread about religion.

 

[Baklanio]

I read this forum for some years. Should have registered long ago. Just picked this moment randomly.

^

I'm sorry, I can't hold my tongue. You did not just register on a Naruto-themed forum so you could make a post on a thread about religion.

 

[Arian]

believing in god is like beliving in santa or the easter bunny... only idiots or ignorant people actually believe this bullcrap.. especially those bigger religions like christianity or islam... its both hilarious and pathetic that there are still this many narrow minded people out there. its actually terrifying tbh...

 

[Marin]

believing in god is like beliving in santa or the easter bunny... only idiots or ignorant people actually believe this bullcrap.. especially those bigger religions like christianity or islam... its both hilarious and pathetic that there are still this many narrow minded people out there. its actually terrifying tbh...

So would you say that being narrow-minded and idiotic means blindly believing things despite being wrong?

 

[Arian]

So would you say that being narrow-minded and idiotic means blindly believing things despite being wrong?

let me explain with a few examples:

a) someone from a 3rd world country is religious: doesnt have proper education and is indoctrinated by his surrounding. Cant really blame him...(even though id rather whorship the SUN than some invisible myths from millenia old books... since the sun is actually visible and actually gives you warmth light and food but whatever)

b) someone from a not 3rd world country is religious: didnt have proper education, or is too dumb or too ignorant to understand it. Could also be the indoctrination by his surrounding (Church, Parents etc)

c) someone who actually did have proper education but either lacks the potential to actually understand it(Can't really blame either since i have to admit it could be quite a challenge to simply accept the fact that we arent anything more but some complex chemical reactions) or is too arrogant/ignorant to acknowledge the truth.

my point is: it is ridiculous to actually believe in the bible, quran or whatever. its ignorant towards todays research and science. Not to mention how flawed those books are. there are over 10k differences between the oldest known bible and the current one theyre spreading... there are hundreds of errors and mistakes in the so calld "words of god" known as quran which according to muslims is flawless. how does that hold any credibility is beyond me.... again thats why i said you need to be dumb or ignorant or uneducated to actually believe that.

besides you simply cant discredit science whenever it fits you, and then still claim that the bible/quran actually predicted shit.... you cant claim the earth is 6k years old while also acknowledging the existence of the dinosaurs. you cant believe in adam and eve while also believing in evolution.

another point is: who makes the most profit? the church and islam both make billions of cash with their religion. by feeding of the people. wherever there is religion there is a lot of cash involved. now how about science? how could the benefit from all this? they dont. they research for the pure sake of knowing an understanding and advancing. now tell me, whats more credible? a millenia old book written by people during a time where people still believed in witches and flat earth etcc, or actual scientist who spent their whole life researching and experimenting all for the pure sake of knowing.

again its ridiculous that were even now in 2016 still having this kind of discussion. to me thats not even up to debate. its like im discussing with a 5year old wheter batman is real or not...

 

[Marin]

let me explain with a few examples:

a) someone from a 3rd world country is religious: doesnt have proper education and is indoctrinated by his surrounding. Cant really blame him...(even though id rather whorship the SUN than some invisible myths from millenia old books... since the sun is actually visible and actually gives you warmth light and food but whatever)

b) someone from a not 3rd world country is religious: didnt have proper education, or is too dumb or too ignorant to understand it. Could also be the indoctrination by his surrounding (Church, Parents etc)

c) someone who actually did have proper education but either lacks the potential to actually understand it(Can't really blame either since i have to admit it could be quite a challenge to simply accept the fact that we arent anything more but some complex chemical reactions) or is too arrogant/ignorant to acknowledge the truth.

You misunderstood my question. I didn't ask you to explain the concept of being an ignorant idiot. I asked you if you consider being ignorant and narrow-minded as idiotic. A question which you along the way clearly answered with "yes". So here's the point champ, as much as you could convince someone of your position with the stuff above, the stuff below is what betrays you as a person with the exact same qualities as the ones you consider idiotic and label on religious people. Add hypocrisy to the list. Here's why. ~

my point is: it is ridiculous to actually believe in the bible, quran or whatever. its ignorant towards todays research and science. Not to mention how flawed those books are. there are over 10k differences between the oldest known bible and the current one theyre spreading... there are hundreds of errors and mistakes in the so calld "words of god" known as quran which according to muslims is flawless. how does that hold any credibility is beyond me.... again thats why i said you need to be dumb or ignorant or uneducated to actually believe that.

Actually, to believe in the bible or quarn or whatever you don't need to be ignorant towards science. In fact, contemporary cosmology and science in general is completely compatible with theism in it's broadest sense and if anything it actually goes to confirm it, at the same time not only shattering the ignorant taboo of science being at odds with religion, but also proving the practicle implausability of atheism. (Tough luck)

Also, you're completely ignorant on the very things you're calling flawed. Not only are the "old" Bibles no different from the "new" ones, but the oldest remaining scrolls go to show a striking similarity. The accuracy falls to 99%. This is no fairy tale, this is actual confirmed fact through historical analisys. (Tough luck)

besides you simply cant discredit science whenever it fits you, and then still claim that the bible/quran actually predicted shit.... you cant claim the earth is 6k years old while also acknowledging the existence of the dinosaurs. you cant believe in adam and eve while also believing in evolution.

Again, there is no need to discredit science as it proves us right. The only people who think the world is 6k years old are labeled young-earth creationists and they are in no way the majority. Fun fact: The Catholic Church accepts evolution and the Big Bang.

another point is: who makes the most profit? the church and islam both make billions of cash with their religion. by feeding of the people. wherever there is religion there is a lot of cash involved. now how about science? how could the benefit from all this? they dont. they research for the pure sake of knowing an understanding and advancing. now tell me, whats more credible? a millenia old book written by people during a time where people still believed in witches and flat earth etcc, or actual scientist who spent their whole life researching and experimenting all for the pure sake of knowing.

A bold claim. May I get some stats from this. Am asking because the last time I checked, the church kept it's funds private. As in not open to the public eye. So unless you have some inside source that has succesively infiltrated one of the most secretive institutions in the world and has been supplying you with accurate information, I'll assume you're simply talking out of thin air.

Another fun fact: there has been a leak by the RCC official in recent years and it revealed financial struggles in the Vatican. Can't call a bankrupt man rich can we?

again its ridiculous that were even now in 2016 still having this kind of discussion. to me thats not even up to debate. its like im discussing with a 5year old wheter batman is real or not...

"It's not up for a debate" says who? An internet atheist who has a track record of doing the exact same things he considers idiotic in the face of an overwhelming number of people both smarter and better educated than him who continue to "neg" his atheist camps (who btw also disagree with you here)? Humour me some more.

 

[Arian]

You misunderstood my question. I didn't ask you to explain the concept of being an ignorant idiot. I asked you if you consider being ignorant and narrow-minded as idiotic. A question which you along the way clearly answered with "yes". So here's the point champ, as much as you could convince someone of your position with the stuff above, the stuff below is what betrays you as a person with the exact same qualities as the ones you consider idiotic and label on religious people. Add hypocrisy to the list. Here's why. ~



Actually, to believe in the bible or quarn or whatever you don't need to be ignorant towards science. In fact, contemporary cosmology and science in general is completely compatible with theism in it's broadest sense and if anything it actually goes to confirm it, at the same time not only shattering the ignorant taboo of science being at odds with religion, but also proving the practicle implausability of atheism. (Tough luck)

Also, you're completely ignorant on the very things you're calling flawed. Not only are the "old" Bibles no different from the "new" ones, but the oldest remaining scrolls go to show a striking similarity. The accuracy falls to 99%. This is no fairy tale, this is actual confirmed fact through historical analisys. (Tough luck)



Again, there is no need to discredit science as it proves us right. The only people who think the world is 6k years old are labeled young-earth creationists and they are in no way the majority. Fun fact: The Catholic Church accepts evolution and the Big Bang.



A bold claim. May I get some stats from this. Am asking because the last time I checked, the church kept it's funds private. As in not open to the public eye. So unless you have some inside source that has succesively infiltrated one of the most secretive institutions in the world and has been supplying you with accurate information, I'll assume you're simply talking out of thin air.

Another fun fact: there has been a leak by the RCC official in recent years and it revealed financial struggles in the Vatican. Can't call a bankrupt man rich can we?



"It's not up for a debate" says who? An internet atheist who has a track record of doing the exact same things he considers idiotic in the face of an overwhelming number of people both smarter and better educated than him who continue to "neg" his atheist camps (who btw also disagree with you here)? Humour me some more.

please do your research before spreading that stuff bro. just saying. i dont even know where to start

 

[WalksInShadows]

1. This is a counterproductive thread, because you want someone to tell you why should believe in God, Christ, and angels when you already have your mind made up that you don't want to.

2. The whole point of religious faith is to believe in something despite it not being tangible. It's a pointless endeavor for anybody to try to prove their existence through science when they are said to exist on a metaphysical plane.

3. The Bible is a collection of different writings from different authors. No one person wrote it.

 

[Phact]

You do realize religious scriptures were written at different points in time, right? (Much like dinosaur fossils being separated between periods)

And the bible wasn't written by God (or whoever you believe came up with God). Only Genesis was said to have been narrated to Moses directly from God (and even then, argument can be made for the existence of the patriarchs). People like Moses, David, Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and yes, even Jesus of Nazareth that appeared later on are considered historical as well as biblical. People like Luke and Matthew and Paul witnessed the events taking place or were told of them and saw fit to write them down. And people make mistakes, unlike God, so the bible is very much inconsistent and full of gaps. And it's definitely affected by what the widespread beliefs were at the time, including both the passage of time and the shape and location of the Earth.

I believe in a God because I don't see the Big Bang happening without someone to set it off (any attempt to explain God through science is just foolish by nature). And I'm a Christian because of the fact that Jesus existed and I see him as a more viable contender for the Messiah than Muhammed. And it certainly wasn't because I had a family that squeezed that idea into my head. I believed in it because the stories (not the themes) of the bible really spoke to me as a person. If they don't for you, then more power to you.

The Qur'an was also sent directly to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

 

[Marin]

please do your research before spreading that stuff bro. just saying. i dont even know where to start

Actually, I did my research. But again, ignorance.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

The Qur'an was also sent directly to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

Hmmm, interesting.

Actually, I did my research. But again, ignorance.

Well, be honest. The very fact he replied with that shows he doesn't know how to counter you and he's biding time to Google a few things first. Nicely done, bro.

 

[Aimee Sky]

Spoiler

In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replied, “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.”
“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”
The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t understand now.”
The first replied, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”
The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”
The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover if there is life, then why has no one has ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”
“Well, I don’t know,” said the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”
The first replied “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s laughable. If Mother exists then where is She now?”
The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her this world would not and could not exist.”
Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”
To which the second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above.” - Útmutató a Léleknek

That was so good :bouncy::bouncy::x3::x3::x3::T_T:

 

[Arian]

Hmmm, interesting.



Well, be honest. The very fact he replied with that shows he doesn't know how to counter you and he's biding time to Google a few things first. Nicely done, bro.

lol or more like i dont feel like arguing with mentally 5year olds who actually believe religions are true despite the fact how broken they are. have fun wasting your time praying to your imaginary friend up there. sadly here is no cure for stupidity

 

[Marin]

lol or more like i dont feel like arguing with mentally 5year olds who actually believe religions are true despite the fact how broken they are. have fun wasting your time praying to your imaginary friend up there. sadly here is no cure for stupidity

See, same old neo-atheist hypocrisy. Atleast google what pooh-pooh means. You'll find it suits you well.

 

[synkross]

hmm think about it this way, who created life? how can things come to existence on their own? why is earth so special compared to the rest of the universe? is it all by chance? that out of billions of asteroids not a single one is a direct threat to our planet? what keeps the earth from bursting open? or if the water were to be sunken into the earth then who could bring you flowing water?what you call nature? do you know how complex it is? yet it has a way of recycling itself...there are so many things that man can't explain, is it all by chance? the waters are serving us, the night and the day are serving us, the animals and the plants are serving us...IS IT JUST LUCK? its like saying that an explosion occurred in a factory and Dictionary came into existence where every letter organised on its own.

what you need to realize is that there is someone who is in control of all this, because without it, there is only chaos. That someone is referred to as God and nothing is created without purpose.

"Does man think he will be left neglected? had he not been a sperm from the semen emitted? Then he was a clinging clot and [Allah] created [his form] and proportioned [him]. And made of him two mates, the male and the female. Is not that [creator] able to give life to the dead?"