Why people say IA was stalemated by 2 RSs?

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So basically, this thread would only be true if the OP presupposed that the bijuudama rasenshuriken that naruto used with his bijuu avatar = one of the six bijuudama rasenshurikens that Naruto was spamming against madara's meteors.

Seems legit.
 

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So basically, this thread would only be true if the OP presupposed that the bijuudama rasenshuriken that naruto used with his bijuu avatar = one of the six bijuudama rasenshurikens that Naruto was spamming against madara's meteors.

Seems legit.
Are you suggesting it is not because?
 

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VIZ translates from the raw just the same. There is nothing skewer, if its whole earth or just a ground makes huge difference. Your friend is prone to mistakes as well.
Naruto was in senjutsu mode when used those BDFRSs. The concept of more senjutsu falls apart since he only could dish out 2 attacks. and it goes against whole earth NE theory.
Explain me how whole NE of NV is only good for 2 shots when there is no proof naruto can use any better quality senjutsu. My bet is on your friend translation mistake.
The point of the shield is to show you that it takes durability of one object to make attack explode, nothing more.
Really? So when Enton arrow was fired vs 3 black rods enton arrow didnt fail? Or 3 rods are stronger attack?
Sometimes, it's been also shown to drill.
Nope, sasuke didnt take into account physics thus deluded himself, we all know chidori vs rangen is draw.
Nice bias Lol

VIZ i guess :rolleyes:
I already mentioned enton arrow vs rods :rolleyes:
Yes it is, it poses enough resitance for attack to collapse on its own kinatic power and explode.
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Lets hear your excuse now :rolleyes:
Yeah you compared drop of water to a pool in that bee vs juubi lol
They will be when you prove how is it possible for naruto to have any better version of senjutsu, which you havent.
Viz is an American company. TaKL is an actual native Japanese speaker. That's like saying someone coming from another country will have an easier time deducing what a native speaker of the US/Canada is saying compared to me or another person native to those countries. I trust TaKL more than Viz.
 

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Viz is an American company. TaKL is an actual native Japanese speaker. That's like saying someone coming from another country will have an easier time deducing what a native speaker of the US/Canada is saying compared to me or another person native to those countries. I trust TaKL more than Viz.
You acting like VIZ cant hire native japanese americans to guarantee quality of translations.
Dimitri appears to have shat on the thread.
If only he knew what circumference was U_U
 

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Are you suggesting it is not because?
- because the attack was portrayed as being the equal of indra's arrow, not something that was incredibly inferior.
- the rasenshurikens were created via naruto's final asura mode and were far larger than the ones naruto used against the meteors
- if the attacks weren't equals, sasuke's arrow would have gone right through it
- naruto needed to have one of his avatars sit and gather an incredibly enormous amount of natural energy in order to use that attack while he was spamming bijuudama rasenshurikens against the meteors with no prior prep

Now, why do you suggest that a single bijuudama rasenshuriken naruto used against the meteors = the bijuudama rasenshuriken naruto used against indra's arrow?
 

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The 2 frs naruto used to match sasukes arrow was not as powerful as the 9 he used on kaguya. Senjutsu is only good if you have the chakra to balance it with, naruto didnt have the physical chakra to absorb all the nature energy in the world and blance it lol.
 

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- because the attack was portrayed as being the equal of indra's arrow, not something that was incredibly inferior.
Because they both exploded? Dont think its enough of reasoning.
- the rasenshurikens were created via naruto's final asura mode and were far larger than the ones naruto used against the meteors
Nope, those used against meteors were the size of PS this have same size.
- if the attacks weren't equals, sasuke's arrow would have gone right through it
This is just some stupid excuse that many use now. 3 chakra rods stalemated enton arrow? You think they are equal? As TBBRS exploded released energy caused IA to explode as well.
- naruto needed to have one of his avatars sit and gather an incredibly enormous amount of natural energy in order to use that attack while he was spamming bijuudama rasenshurikens against the meteors with no prior prep
Because he was getting low on chakra. The clone was absorbing it before sasuke pulled IA in order to need chakra to fight.
Now, why do you suggest that a single bijuudama rasenshuriken naruto used against the meteors = the bijuudama rasenshuriken naruto used against indra's arrow?
Because i found no proof that something relevant to make those RSs stronger changed.


The 2 frs naruto used to match sasukes arrow was not as powerful as the 9 he used on kaguya. Senjutsu is only good if you have the chakra to balance it with, naruto didnt have the physical chakra to absorb all the nature energy in the world and blance it lol.
Is that you agreeing again? Cuz im confused :rolleyes:

i totally agree with AlphaScythian

you soloed everyone

i can sense some butthurt naruto fanboys here ...
:flowers:flowers:flowers: Thank You
 
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Because they both exploded? Dont think its enough of reasoning.
because neither overpowered the other. If one was stronger, it would have gone right through the other, only one would have exploded.

Nope, those used against meteors were the size of PS this have same size.
by that logic, the ones used against the meteors should be incomparably more powerful than the ones naruto used against Sasuke because the ones he used against sasuke weren't even close to the size of PS, and therefor youd have to claim that naruto was severely holding back against sasuke.

This is just some stupid excuse that gonna many users now. 3 chakra rods stalemated indra arrow? You think they are equal? As TBBRS exploded released energy cause IA to explode aswell.
Except chakra rods aren't energy attacks, and if indra's arrow was stronger than the TBBRS, then it wouldn't have exploded just like naruto's fuuton rasengan didn't explode when he collided it with kakashi's normal rasengan, just like the juubi's laser kept on going when it collided with multiple bijuudamas, just like the juubis bijuudama didn't explode despite getting hit by multiple bijuudamas from bee.

Because he was getting low on chakra. The clone was absorbing it before sasuke pulled IA in order to need chakra to fight.
So you're asserting that naruto who's spamming 4 kurama avatars didn't have enough chakra to use an attack that he was spamming w/o even using an avatar?

Because i found no proof that something relevant to make those RSs stronger changed.
Sure you did, you found enormous proof that naruto's attack was the equal of indra's arrow. What you are doing is simply denying said proof on the grounds that they can't be 100% proven without a shred of doubt to be true, which of course is a way for anyone to render any kind of discussion moot.
 
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This is an interesting thread with a lot of well constructed arguments, and it's definitely a subject I think about often. Obviously, the answer to this question is highly subjective, and I don't believe there is a single right answer. I like reading everyone's opinion on the matter, though, and I hope this discussion goes on.

Stalemated or not.

The end result was both justus erupting as they came into collision with one another.

Which one caused the bigger explosion is irrelevant as the end result will be that every time.


Anyone saying it's a stalemate is kind of wrong because if it did there would still be a big ass arrow and 2 balls in the air like it's DBZ. Or a deflection.

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because neither overpowered the other. If one was stronger, it would have gone right through the other, only one would have exploded.
Dont see what is the reason for it to work this way. Are you saying bigger water ballon wont explode when hit with smaller one hard enough? For them both explode kinetic energy is what counts most.
You also negate the explosion of TBB factor. For instance when TBB hit a mounain, the latter posed enough resitance to make it explode but then released energy just obliterates this restance, same here exploding TBB caused IA to explode and stopped from going further
by that logic, the ones used against the meteors should be incomparably more powerful than the ones naruto used against Sasuke because the ones he used against sasuke weren't even close to the size of PS, and therefor youd have to claim that naruto was severely holding back against sasuke.
Dude, TBBRS expand after thrown
Except chakra rods aren't energy attacks, and if indra's arrow was stronger than the TBBRS, then it wouldn't have exploded just like naruto's fuuton rasengan didn't explode when he collided it with kakashi's normal rasengan, just like the juubi's laser kept on going when it collided with multiple bijuudamas, just like the juubis bijuudama didn't explode despite getting hit by multiple bijuudamas from bee.
You know what we can also say 'except chakra rods are black' thats why. Not energy attacks, not this, not that, just what makes you kishi to say it makes a change? We can only bet on physics here and it all come down to kinetics.

That FRS wasnt perfected yet to explode neither does rasengan explodes at all times.
So you're asserting that naruto who's spamming 4 kurama avatars didn't have enough chakra to use an attack that he was spamming w/o even using an avatar?
I think it was stated in manga that naruto was low on chakra, so he took care of this by kurama getting some. Are we gonna contest this, really?
Sure you did, you found enormous proof that naruto's attack was the equal of indra's arrow. What you are doing is simply denying said proof on the grounds that they can't be 100% proven without a shred of doubt to be true, which of course is a way for anyone to render any kind of discussion moot.
No i havent, i use physics understandings and it doesnt claim that two opposing projectiles have to be equal to cause damage one to another.

You should know by now, Naruto fans and Sasuke haters don't accept manga facts and simple logic.
I do, but someone has to throw a foot into their blasphemous conclusions.

This is an interesting thread with a lot of well constructed arguments, and it's definitely a subject I think about often. Obviously, the answer to this question is highly subjective, and I don't believe there is a single right answer. I like reading everyone's opinion on the matter, though, and I hope this discussion goes on.

Stalemated or not.

The end result was both justus erupting as they came into collision with one another.

Which one caused the bigger explosion is irrelevant as the end result will be that every time.


Anyone saying it's a stalemate is kind of wrong because if it did there would still be a big ass arrow and 2 balls in the air like it's DBZ. Or a deflection.

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I agree end result is much unchanged, both attacks explode and both naruto and sasuke tank it. Most naruto fans should get more understanding and less sensitive U_U
 
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So you're comparing normal TBBRS and FRS to what Naruto made to match Indra's arrow?

Naruto used TBBRS and FRS enhaced with a lot of natural energy and the remaining chakra he had from kurama and the other 8 bijuus.

Naruto's super enhaced atack = Indra's arrow
 

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So you're comparing normal TBBRS and FRS to what Naruto made to match Indra's arrow?

Naruto used TBBRS and FRS enhaced with a lot of natural energy and the remaining chakra he had from kurama and the other 8 bijuus.

Naruto's super enhaced atack = Indra's arrow
Nature energy has to be mixed with normal chakra making it same senjutsu naruto had before. It was so much nature energy that it was enough for 2 shot :rolleyes:
 

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Dont see what is the reason for it to work this way. Are you saying bigger water ballon wont explode when hit with smaller one hard enough? For them both explode kinetic energy is what counts most.
since when are we talking about water balloons? Based on what do you assert that water balloons is a valid comparison between how both attacks work?

You also negate the explosion of TBB factor. For instance when TBB hit a mounain, the latter posed enough resitance to make it explode but then released energy just obliterates this restance, same here exploding TBB caused IA to explode and stopped from going further
wait so by that logic, the TBBRS should have been the far more powerful attack since it would be the TBB in this case while indra's arrow which is a piercing attack would be the attack that causes the TBBRS to detonate without being anywhere near the same level of power.

Plus, TBB exploding on a mountain isn't an energy attack clash. If you want to determine an energy attack clash, it's TBB vs TBB, and else the stronger one simply keeps on going while the weaker one phases out, disappears or blows up.

Dude, TBBRS expand after thrown
Your scan doesn't show TBBRS expanding after being thrown in any way shape or form.

Plus, you asserted that naruto's TBBRS was as big as sasuke's PS. If it only becomes that big after it's thrown, then you have to compare the TBBRS to the one naruto used against sasuke BEFORE they are thrown, and the one that was used against sasuke is than the

You know what we can also say 'except chakra rods are black' thats why. Not energy attacks, not this, not that, just what makes you kishi to say it makes a change? We can only bet on physics here and it all come down to kinetics.
What makes you kishi to say it DOESN'T make a change?
And my assertion that chakra rods not being energy attacks do make a change is supported by the fact that we see when two energy attacks collide, the stronger one overpowers the weaker one. Rasengan vs Chidori, fuuton rasengan vs rasaengan, bijuudama vs bijuudama, all examples. So no, my stance that differentiates chakra rods from offensive energy attack vs offensive energy attack is completely valid and therefore you have to bring up some kind of counterargument that addresses the points I've made in that argument.

That FRS wasnt perfected yet to explode neither does rasengan explodes at all times.
Based on what was the fuuton rasengan not 'perfected yet to explode'? So what if rasengan doesn't explode at all times? Bijuudamas don't explode at all times, just look at the bijuudamas bee fired at the juubi's bijuudama or the bijuudama that bee used against the island barrier. Not even rasenshurken explodes all the time, just look at the one that naruto used on the juubi's tails, the one he used to cut the shinjuu, or the one he used when he was training to use sage mode.

And my goodness, I can't believe that you'd assert something like 'rasengans don't explode all the time' and 'fuuton rasengans can't explode' yet at the same time argue that a black chakra rod vs an enton arrow is a valid comparison between how attacks interact with each other.

Unless you can prove that the rasengan and fuuton rasengan can't explode, then this immediately destroys your argument about attacks exploding.

I think it was stated in manga that naruto was low on chakra, so he took care of this by kurama getting some. Are we gonna contest this, really?
Who's disputing naruto being low on chakra? Doesn't change the fact that naruto was using four kurama avatars at the same time which obviously is going to cost him way more chakra than attacks that he can spam without any significant toll on his chakra w/o the avatar.

No i havent, i use physics understandings and it doesnt claim that two opposing projectiles have to be equal to cause damage one to another.
Since when am I disputing that? Sure, the projectiles don't have to be equal in order to damage one another, however why in the world does simply damaging another projectile = having the ability to detonate that projectile? In pretty much every instance where we have energy attack vs energy attack, the attacks only detonate when they are equal in power. If one is greater, it overpowers the other and continues going, or at the very least the side who's technique was weaker receives more damage than the side who's technique was stronger.

if you want to use physics, then indra's arrow being a penetrating attack would have gone right through naruto's rasenshurikens even if both attacks were equal in power, just like a chidori should penetrate right through a rasengan if both are equal in power. However, that's obviously not the case.

And also, at the absolute best, before I typed the above that shows your physics argument works against you, all your argument shows is that the two attacks aren't necessarily equal. It's in no way shape or form a positive argument for one being greater than the other.
 
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