Why people say IA was stalemated by 2 RSs?

[To Whatever]

Alpha, i'll reply back to you later.

Just got home from eating out with the fam and i'm tired as shit.

 

[Bronze]

According to map it did.Yes villages are not countries, i knew that :vincent:

According to the manga, it didn't.

Yes villages are not countries, i knew that

So what was the point?

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No it isnt. You can see that by the lack of remaining circumference, its not even half.

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The entire explosion was drawn, son.

Concession accepted

You don't know what that means, do ya?

 

[AlphaScythian]

According to the manga, it didn't.

Where does manga disprove it again? Or is it your BS interpretation?

So what was the point?

You brought villages arent countries shit. You should know, geez

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The entire explosion was drawn, son.

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You dont know what circumference means do you?

You don't know what that means, do ya?

Means you lost U_U

 

[Bronze]

Where does manga disprove it again? Or is it your BS interpretation?

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You brought villages arent countries shit. You should know, geez

Meaning Sasuke and Naruto didn't travel countries.

You dont know what circumference means do you?

I just highlighted a left-open space of the explosion, so that would be the circumference of the explosion.

Means you lost

If you say so.

 

[jimbobbity]

Idgaf about the explosion size, im just wondering...

How the fudge did Naruto and Sasuke not get caught in the radius and die.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Seeing left overs of gigantic tree in already established small NV doesnt disprove my point. Small world - small countries.

Meaning Sasuke and Naruto didn't travel countries.

Sure they did, i can walk around one in matter of hour, it's name is Vatican.
What part of small world and small countries you dont get?

I just highlighted a left-open space of the explosion, so that would be the circumference of the explosion.

YOU ARE RETARD

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Circumference (from Latin circumferentia, meaning "carrying around") is the linear distance around the edge of a closed curve or circular object

If you say so.

Nuff said

Idgaf about the explosion size, im just wondering...

How the fudge did Naruto and Sasuke not get caught in the radius and die.

Main characters, better question how do they bleed for over a day and still alive

 

[Bronze]

This is the last reply.

Seeing left overs of gigantic tree in already established small NV doesnt disprove my point. Small world - small countries.

Thus you're agreeing the map of NV is outdated. I knew you were smart enough to figure that out.

Circumference (from Latin circumferentia, meaning "carrying around") is the linear distance around the edge of a closed curve or circular object

That's what I've just freaking shown you, fool.

Nuff said

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[AlphaScythian]

Thus you're agreeing the map of NV is outdated. I knew you were smart enough to figure that out.

No, NV is just small.
If you're about VoTE being next to sand country then it would only make explosion bigger to reach frost country.

That's what I've just freaking shown you, fool.

You pointed some square that has nothing to do with anything.
Circumference is the round edge of explosion making full circle and we only have less then half.

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Just begone already, we already figured you're not so bright U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

Gee and just how much was available cuz we now seem to have an amplitude from some valley to whole world. And how about the fact that all that was available was only good enough for 1 FRS and 1 TBBRS.

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Raw states that he absorbed all the NE on the planet, and that was what was used for his attack. As soon as he receives it,

Quantity isn't always as good as quality. Those two attacks he used are far stronger than any other attack he's used in the manga.

Plus the fact naruto still has to mix nature energy with his own chakra makes it regular senjutsu.

Not sure how pointing out the obvious hurts my argument. More Senjutsu>>>>Less Senjutsu. At the end of the day its really that simple. Besides, Kurama stating that they would have been blown away by Indra's Arrow had they not gathered all that Nature Energy points to it ALL being put into the jutsu. Never said that it was pure Nature Energy, because it isn't. Ninjutsu uses chakra, add Nature Energy and you get Senjutsu.

There is no analogy, you came up with some BS that it would have to plow through naruto's attack whist i see no reason for that especially since exploding TBB is good way to detonate IA.

What you tried to use is an analogy, or do you not know what that is? Lmao. If Indra's Arrow is stronger, it would have plowed right through, just how the Juubi's Bijuu Dama was unaffected by Hachibi's Bijuu Dama. Sure, Bijuu Dama exploding with detonate Indra's Arrow, but Bijuu Dama actually has to be strong enough to do in the first place.

Another reason why you make no sense. Why would Naruto have to take in all that Nature Energy to match Indra's Arrow, when he could have attacked with any normal Bijuu Dama and still come out of the clash in the same condition as Sasuke? Lol.

Lets just stop this, cause the manga cannot make it any clearer as to how wrong you are.

GEEZ. Juubi laser is continuous stream while IA is projectile. So new particles of juubi laser would always remain on course even if some were stopped.

Except I referenced the laser vs. Bijuu Dama, and the Bijuu Dama vs Bijuu Dama, so my point still stands regardless. According to your logic, it would have caused the Bijuu Dama to explode, but it didn't, obviously because you are wrong.

 

[TrollingSage]

I could use your own argument against you. Neither chidori nor susano arrow explode. Therefore the explosion was caused by Naruto's attacks.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Raw states that he absorbed all the NE on the planet, and that was what was used for his attack. As soon as he receives it,
Quantity isn't always as good as quality. Those two attacks he used are far stronger than any other attack he's used in the manga.

GEEZ, how i do i put it, ITS NOT WHAT VIZ SAID.

Not sure how pointing out the obvious hurts my argument. More Senjutsu>>>>Less Senjutsu. At the end of the day its really that simple. Besides, Kurama stating that they would have been blown away by Indra's Arrow had they not gathered all that Nature Energy points to it ALL being put into the jutsu. Never said that it was pure Nature Energy, because it isn't. Ninjutsu uses chakra, add Nature Energy and you get Senjutsu.

So whole nature energy of the world is only good enough for 1 FRS and 1 TBBRS. Get out troll.

What kurama said could be attributed to the fact they managed to detonate IA at range rather then direct hit.

What you tried to use is an analogy, or do you not know what that is? Lmao. If Indra's Arrow is stronger, it would have plowed right through, just how the Juubi's Bijuu Dama was unaffected by Hachibi's Bijuu Dama. Sure, Bijuu Dama exploding with detonate Indra's Arrow, but Bijuu Dama actually has to be strong enough to do in the first place.

I already mentioned that juubi laser was continuous stream thus even if it was somehow affected by TBBs new particles would always remain on course.
So if you're agreeing that TBB caused it to explode just like it freaking happened in manga, what your problem?

Another reason why you make no sense. Why would Naruto have to take in all that Nature Energy to match Indra's Arrow, when he could have attacked with any normal Bijuu Dama and still come out of the clash in the same condition as Sasuke? Lol.

Dont know what you hope to accomplish here. Naruto or rather kurama already planned on gathering chakra before sasuke pulled IA.
Naruto threw his RSs to avoid direct hit of IA. What this shit even has to do with my thread?

Lets just stop this, cause the manga cannot make it any clearer as to how wrong you are.

Just what have you posted of manga so far loser?

Except I referenced the laser vs. Bijuu Dama, and the Bijuu Dama vs Bijuu Dama, so my point still stands regardless. According to your logic, it would have caused the Bijuu Dama to explode, but it didn't, obviously because you are wrong.

So are you saying BD never caused another BD to explode? Cuz your speculation are kinda hard to grasp.

I could use your own argument against you. Neither chidori nor susano arrow explode. Therefore the explosion was caused by Naruto's attacks.

If you would read whole thread, then you'd see i already shown the scan of what raiton explosion looks like.

 

[KidGamer65]

GEEZ, how i do i put it, ITS NOT WHAT VIZ SAID.

I couldn't give a flying rat's ass what the VIZ said.

1. It doesn't contradict the raw.

2. Raws>>>>VIZ. The Raw is what Kishimoto wrote, with no American company screwing up the context just to better suit the American readers.

So whole nature energy of the world is only good enough for 1 FRS and 1 TBBRS. Get out troll.

Like I said, quality isn't quantity kid.

What kurama said could be attributed to the fact they managed to detonate IA at range rather then direct hit.

Because their attack was equal with Indra's Arrow, not because throwing any old projectile at an attack will cause it to explode.

I already mentioned that juubi laser was continuous stream thus even if it was somehow affected by TBBs new particles would always remain on course.

Never mentioned the Juubi's laser after my first post, let me post a scan so you don't repeat the same thing like some annoying ass parrot.

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So if you're agreeing that TBB caused it to explode just like it freaking happened in manga, what your problem?

Can you not read? Lmao. It has to be strong enough, that is my point. Thus they stalemated. Reading Comp 101, take the class and get back to me kid.

Dont know what you hope to accomplish here. Naruto or rather kurama already planned on gathering chakra before sasuke pulled IA.

Does that change the fact they stalemated?

No.

Naruto threw his RSs to avoid direct hit of IA. What this shit even has to do with my thread?

And his attack didn't get ripped through, thus they stalemated, thus they are equal, thus your attempt to slurp on Sasuke's wang is null and void.

Just what have you posted of manga so far loser?

*Sigh* Fanboyish kids just never stop with the childish insults. Loser? Is this really the best you can come up with? Lol, what are you? Some dumb 12 year old?

So are you saying BD never caused another BD to explode? Cuz your speculation are kinda hard to grasp.[/QUOTE]

 

[AlphaScythian]

I couldn't give a flying rat's ass what the VIZ said.

1. It doesn't contradict the raw.

2. Raws>>>>VIZ. The Raw is what Kishimoto wrote, with no American company screwing up the context just to better suit the American readers.

So you deny VIZ now? Did you happen to know that in many countries when referred to the ground use word earth? Just like MS or MP translated that NE was absorbed from the ground of VoTE.

Like I said, quality isn't quantity kid.

But we already agreed that naruto isnt pure nature energy user thus it would be same quality which would in turn make it the quantity of 2 RSs shots which in no way is NE of whole NV U_U

Because their attack was equal with Indra's Arrow, not because throwing any old projectile at an attack will cause it to explode.

Equal in what? The mass of both attacks and speed at which they were delivered is what caused the explosion.
Your speculation better have some proof from manga, geez.

Never mentioned the Juubi's laser after my first post, let me post a scan so you don't repeat the same thing like some annoying ass parrot.

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And then it exploded by landing into the ocean, what a fail

Can you not read? Lmao. It has to be strong enough, that is my point. Thus they stalemated. Reading Comp 101, take the class and get back to me kid.

It has to be strong enough to cause one to explode but it doesnt mean they are all around equal. You should finish your classes U_U

Does that change the fact they stalemated?No.

But they havent.
You failed to proof that those RSs were stronger then usual ones, we saw the extend of TBBRS power thus causing IA to explode is what happened.

And his attack didn't get ripped through, thus they stalemated, thus they are equal, thus your attempt to slurp on Sasuke's wang is null and void.

I fail to see where does manga state one attack has to rip through another to have stronger explosion

*Sigh* Fanboyish kids just never stop with the childish insults. Loser? Is this really the best you can come up with? Lol, what are you? Some dumb 12 year old?

I actually suppressed myself from calling your stupidity in order to be polite somewhat thus loser is what came out.

 

[KidGamer65]

So you deny VIZ now? Did you happen to know that in many countries when reffered to ground the use word earth? Just like MS or MP translated that NE was absorbed from the ground of VoTE

MP and MS never said that it was absorbed from the ground of the valley, it just said it was absorbed from the ground. Raw says the "earth" I asked the translator if it referred to the planet, and he said yes. So once again, I don't care about the VIZ, Raw is superior.

Not like this is a relevant part of the argument anyway, as the point is, it was powered up by external energy along with Naruto's own power.

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But we already agreed that naruto isnt pure nature energy user thus it would be same quality which would in turn make it the quantity of 2 RSs shots which in no way is NE of whole NV U_U

It being pure Nature Energy or not doesn't change anything, More Senjutsu>Less Senjutsu. So why in the world would it be the same quality as 2 RS used by any other Naruto? The manga already shows with the explosion, that those 2 RS>>>>Any other attack Naruto has used in Rikudo Mode.

Equal in what? The mass of both attacks and speed at which they were delivered is what caused the explosion.

Equal in energy output.

And then it exploded by landing into the ocean, what a fail

Not relevant. I've already proven that firing any old attack at another attack won't cause it to explode unless its strong enough.

It has to be strong enough to cause one to explode but it doesnt mean they are all around equal. You should finish your classes U_U

Strong enough is equal, that's what it has to be. Not weaker, otherwise Naruto would be dead. The same exact logic goes for all their Rasengan vs. Chidori clashes, and their Bijuu Dama vs Chidori clash.

-If Rasengan was weaker, Naruto would die. Vice versa.

-If Chidori was weaker, Sasuke would die, vice versa.

Naruto's Rasengan was stronger than Sasuke's Chidori at the Hospital Rooftop back in Part 1, Jiraiya and Kakashi (Or one of them) acknowledged that Sasuke could have died had their attacks met. Then Sasuke got stronger, and his attack matched Naruto's, thus no one died or was injured.

But they havent.
You failed to proof that those RSs were stronger then usual ones, we saw the extend of TBBRS power thus causing IA to explode is what happened.

-Bigger explosion than the rest.

-Equaled a stronger attack.

-Had more energy fueling it.

Chidori Senbon stalemated Naruto's regular Bijuu Dama. If I followed your piss poor logic, Naruto could have fired a standard Bijuu Dama at Indra's Arrow, and survived, even though it only managed to match a much weaker attack than Indra's Arrow.

I fail to see where does manga state one attack has to rip through another to have stronger explosion

Logic buddy. The stronger attack always wins in a straightforward clash.

-Rasengan was stronger than Chidori, so Sasuke would have lost that clash and Naruto would have almost killed him.

-Indra's Arrow was not any stronger than Naruto's two Rasen Shuriken, so the arrow didn't pierce through, and instead there was a giant explosion.

I actually suppressed myself from calling your stupididty in order to be polite somewhat thus loser is what came out.

Yeah, whatever buddy. The only ones being stupid are all the retarded fanboys always making excuses since they can't deal with what the manga showed them.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Its good to have an opinion, but there is no way in hell you'll be able to change it into a fact.

TBBFRS + FRS = Indra's Arrow.

Although if only FRS is required to equal out TBBFRS and Indra's arrow, i wonder if TBBFRS + TBBFRS > Indra's arrow.

 

[AlphaScythian]

MP and MS never said that it was absorbed from the ground of the valley, it just said it was absorbed from the ground. Raw says the "earth" I asked the translator if it referred to the planet, and he said yes. So once again, I don't care about the VIZ, Raw is superior.
Not like this is a relevant part of the argument anyway, as the point is, it was powered up by external energy along with Naruto's own power.

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Yeah naruto fan translating raws > VIZ now? Lol. Get out.

It being pure Nature Energy or not doesn't change anything, More Senjutsu>Less Senjutsu. So why in the world would it be the same quality as 2 RS used by any other Naruto? The manga already shows with the explosion, that those 2 RS>>>>Any other attack Naruto has used in Rikudo Mode.

It changes everything. Naruto is not pure energy user, he cannot make attack of that, he has to mix it with his own chakra making it senjutsu and then make RSs of it. And since there is no proof he has access to any higher quality of senjutsu its stands same quality. The pathetic quantity of only 1 TBBRS and 1 much weaker FRS makes its logically impossible to take your naruto friend translation as credible.

With this crap disproved all your further layers of speculation just fall apart.

Equal in energy output.

Simply unbased. So TSB shield making TBB explode has same energy behind? Lol

Not relevant. I've already proven that firing any old attack at another attack won't cause it to explode unless its strong enough.

You mean weak attack?

Strong enough is equal, that's what it has to be. Not weaker, otherwise Naruto would be dead. The same exact logic goes for all their Rasengan vs. Chidori clashes, and their Bijuu Dama vs Chidori clash.

-If Rasengan was weaker, Naruto would die. Vice versa.

-If Chidori was weaker, Sasuke would die, vice versa.

Rasengan vs chidori clashes have no validity as analogy here, since user constantly maintains focus on his jutsu whilst ranged attacks dont have that and can be detonated much easily.

Naruto's Rasengan was stronger than Sasuke's Chidori at the Hospital Rooftop back in Part 1, Jiraiya and Kakashi (Or one of them) acknowledged that Sasuke could have died had their attacks met. Then Sasuke got stronger, and his attack matched Naruto's, thus no one died or was injured.

No it wasnt, it just metal and water conduct electricity making chidori dissipate. It was also acknowledged naruto would die too.

-Bigger explosion than the rest.

-Equaled a stronger attack.

-Had more energy fueling it.

AI credit.

So now you agree IA stronger? lol

Depending on your naruto fan translator?

Chidori Senbon stalemated Naruto's regular Bijuu Dama. If I followed your piss poor logic, Naruto could have fired a standard Bijuu Dama at Indra's Arrow, and survived, even though it only managed to match a much weaker attack than Indra's Arrow.

I never used this kind of logic. To cause something explode one doesnt need to bee on par example is rashomon gates of oro vs small TBB.
They were obliterated but made it explode.

Logic buddy. The stronger attack always wins in a straightforward clash.

Not when they both explode mid way and combine into massive explosion.

-Rasengan was stronger than Chidori, so Sasuke would have lost that clash and Naruto would have almost killed him.

-Indra's Arrow was not any stronger than Naruto's two Rasen Shuriken, so the arrow didn't pierce through, and instead there was a giant explosion.

You spoke of parrot before now you're being one? Your whole attack X = Y of both explode is fallacious since it only depends on durability of one of those to make other explode as seen countless times in TBBs exploding against all sorts of things that were weaker.

Yeah, whatever buddy. The only ones being stupid are all the retarded fanboys always making excuses since they can't deal with what the manga showed them.

I actually denying fanboyism here. I already said they both tanked this combined attack its not like it changes something but the fact IA is stronger then RSs

Its good to have an opinion, but there is no way in hell you'll be able to change it into a fact.

TBBFRS + FRS = Indra's Arrow.

Although if only FRS is required to equal out TBBFRS and Indra's arrow, i wonder if TBBFRS + TBBFRS > Indra's arrow.

So we agree to disagree then

 

[UzumakiWade]

So we agree to disagree then

I suppose so sir, good luck with your argument against Kidgamer and good day/night depending on where you are.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah naruto fan translating raws > VIZ now? Lol. Get out.

-Raw is what Kishimoto wrote down.

-VIZ is known to skewer the meaning to make it better us to read.

-The context can change when translated to English.

I have no reason not to believe a Japanese native's interpretation of his own text over VIZ, not when he can relay the original meaning.

It changes everything. NAruto is not pure energy user, he cannot make attack of that, he has to mix it with his own chankra making it senjutsu and then make RSs of it. And since there is no proof he has access to any higher quality of senjutsu its stand same quality. The pathetic quantity of only 1 TBBRS and 1 much weaker FRS makes its logically impossible to take your naruto friend translation as credible.

Like I said, more Senjutsu>>Less Senjutsu. That is exactly what it comes down to.

-Naruto used 6 BDFRS with his normal power.

-Then Kurama gained more NE, gave it to Naruto, and produced a much stronger attack.

How hard is this for you to understand?

Whith this crap disproved all your further layers of speculation just fall apart.

Except you haven't disproven anything.

Simple unbased. So TSB shield making TBB explode has same energy behind? Lol

Its funny, 100% of the time without fail, someone has always given me a shield vs attack response as a counter. All that means is the shield is strong enough to withstand that energy, but we are talking about attack vs attack here, not shield vs attack, so lets try and use our brains and come up with a valid analogy this time.

You mean weak attack?

Firing a weaker attack at a stronger attack does nothing. That is exactly what that scan shows you.

Rasengan vs chidori clashes have no validity as analogy here, since user constantly maintains forcus opn his jutsu whilst ranged attacks dont have that and can be detonated much easily.

Nope. Rasengan explodes after its hit its target, just like Bijuu Dama, so it can be used here.

No it wasnt, it just metal and water conduct electricity making chidori dissipate. It was also acknowledged naruto would die too.

Stop making excuses buddy. Its getting pretty pathetic.

-Sasuke knows it was stronger.

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-Kakashi says worst case scenario, Sasuke could have died.

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Meaning Naruto's attack was stronger.

No one ever said Naruto would die, Kakashi only asked Sasuke if he was trying to kill him.

AI credit.

Uh, nope.

So now you agree IA stronger? lol

Never said that. Try reading my post again.

Depending on your naruto fan translator?

Who is a japanese native? Who accurately translates scans pretty much every week? Yup.

I never used this kind of logic. To cause something explode one doesnt need to bee on par example is rashomon gate of oro vs small TBB.
They were obliterated but made it explode.
Not when they both explode mid way and combine into massive explosion.

@bold: Juubi and B disagree. Unless you think Chidori Senbon vs Naruto's BDFRS and FRS or Naruto's Standard Bijuu Dama vs. Indra's Arrow will both have the same results as it did in canon, I suggest you stop this ridiculous argument.



That's a shield, not an attack. Not the same thing, thus an invalid analogy.

You spoke of parrot before now you're being one? Your whole attack X = Y of both explode is fallacious since it only depends on durability of one of those to make other explode as seen countless times in TBBs exploding against all sorts of things that were weaker.

Except you can do nothing but show me examples of attack vs defense, which makes no sense since defensive moves have no offensive power to compare to an offensive attack. I've already shown you that a weaker Bijuu Dama didn't do anything to a stronger one.

I actually denying fanboyism here. I already said they both tanked this combined attack its not like it changes something but the fact IA is stronger then RSs

Except its not. They are dead equal.

 

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[AlphaScythian]

-Raw is what Kishimoto wrote down.

-VIZ is known to skewer the meaning to make it better us to read.

-The context can change when translated to English.

I have no reason not to believe a Japanese native's interpretation of his own text over VIZ, not when he can relay the original meaning.

VIZ translates from the raw just the same. There is nothing skewer, if its whole earth or just a ground makes huge difference. Your friend is prone to mistakes as well.

Like I said, more Senjutsu>>Less Senjutsu. That is exactly what it comes down to.

-Naruto used 6 BDFRS with his normal power.

-Then Kurama gained more NE, gave it to Naruto, and produced a much stronger attack.

How hard is this for you to understand?

Naruto was in senjutsu mode when used those BDFRSs. The concept of more senjutsu falls apart since he only could dish out 2 attacks. and it goes against whole earth NE theory.

Except you haven't disproven anything.

Explain me how whole NE of NV is only good for 2 shots when there is no proof naruto can use any better quality senjutsu. My bet is on your friend translation mistake.

Its funny, 100% of the time without fail, someone has always given me a shield vs attack response as a counter. All that means is the shield is strong enough to withstand that energy, but we are talking about attack vs attack here, not shield vs attack, so lets try and use our brains and come up with a valid analogy this time.

The point of the shield is to show you that it takes durability of one object to make attack explode, nothing more.

Firing a weaker attack at a stronger attack does nothing. That is exactly what that scan shows you.

Really? So when Enton arrow was fired vs 3 black rods enton arrow didnt fail? Or 3 rods are stronger attack?

Nope. Rasengan explodes after its hit its target, just like Bijuu Dama, so it can be used here.

Sometimes, it's been also shown to drill.

Stop making excuses buddy. Its getting pretty pathetic.

-Sasuke knows it was stronger.

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Nope, sasuke didnt take into account physics thus deluded himself, we all know chidori vs rangen is draw.

-Kakashi says worst case scenario, Sasuke could have died.

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Meaning Naruto's attack was stronger.
No one ever said Naruto would die, Kakashi only asked Sasuke if he was trying to kill him.

Nice bias Lol

Uh, nope.
Never said that. Try reading my post again.
Who is a japanese native? Who accurately translates scans pretty much every week? Yup.

VIZ i guess

@bold: Juubi and B disagree. Unless you think Chidori Senbon vs Naruto's BDFRS and FRS or Naruto's Standard Bijuu Dama vs. Indra's Arrow will both have the same results as it did in canon, I suggest you stop this ridiculous argument.

I already mentioned enton arrow vs rods

That's a shield, not an attack. Not the same thing, thus an invalid analogy.

Yes it is, it poses enough resitance for attack to collapse on its own kinatic power and explode.

Except you can do nothing but show me examples of attack vs defense, which makes no sense since defensive moves have no offensive power to compare to an offensive attack. I've already shown you that a weaker Bijuu Dama didn't do anything to a stronger one.

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Lets hear your excuse now
Yeah you compared drop of water to a pool in that bee vs juubi lol

Except its not. They are dead equal.

They will be when you prove how is it possible for naruto to have any better version of senjutsu, which you havent.