Why people believe in Healthy Itachi but not Prime Hiruzen?

[V h o]

Outrageous bias is all, every credible source proves prime Hiruzen yet people still deny. Smh

 

[startup97]

According to Tobirama's logic, Edo Hiruzen would only be close to the full power he was at old age. That means he was weaker then he was alive at old age. If he was capable of this feat in a weakened Edo state, just image Prime Hiruzen.

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[Gerkak]

They can't comprehend prime hiruzen, their feeble minds just can't handle it I'm afraid.

 

[Exaar]

Prime Hizuren is real just not as strong as people think. He's basically old Hizuren with more stamina.

More than that.

Far better Speed/Strength/Stamina. Much larger Chakra pool, meaning far more Powerful Nin/Genjutsu's and more shadow clones which means far more Combinations of Jutsu's.

Even Orochimaru and Enma stated that Hiruzen was alot different from his Normal self, It wasn't just his stamina that got fucked by old age.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Neutralizer GG

 

[LuckyMan]

We've already seen most of Itachi's abilities, so it would be easier to imagine how he would be if he was healthy since he was brought back as an Edo, and saw him fight Nagato and Kabuto. So that gave us a borderline.

For Hiruzen we only saw him use some of his ability when he was old not young, it would be difficult to imagine how many times powerful Prime Hiruzen would since we haven't seen him in combat at young.

Except those weren't Healthy Itachis skills, they were Edo Itachis and need I remind you he didn't need to worry about his body being fatally hit or his chakra running out. That's not a borderline because those fights would go completely different if he was in the flesh.

Yeah, we saw some of Hiruzen ability but we know all his abilities because the manga stated it several times. Four data books stretching over a 15 year span said it in each one so we know all the jutsu he can use. As far as his physical abilities go, he was the only shinobi with Max stats in the Third Databook in the 5 main shinobi categories. Only his stamina, speed, and physical power weren't maxed out all because of his age and even then he had above average scores in all of them.

So its not hard at all to understand how strong he was.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Edo itachi can be said to be a healthy itachi in some ways

 

[startup97]

Prime Hizuren is real just not as strong as people think. He's basically old Hizuren with more stamina.

Much more than that. In combination with Kage Bunshin, his Jutsu arsenal is immense and deadly.

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, , Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave (Anime only)
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Silent Killing
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Hiruzen (sarutobi clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Hiruzen w/ Enma
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
+ More...

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

both is fanfic....so hard to understand?

healthy Itachi Did exist though he had Freshly unlocked MS. So Sick Itachi still stronger than healthy

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't believe in either.

 

[The Silenced]

Why are we comparing Lord Itachi do fodhyperuzen this is blasphemy

 

[LordRaikage]

prime hiruzen even had susanno and black flames.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I scrub my back with Hiruzen's monkey staff every morning to express my pleasure for Hiruzen's terrific hype.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Uh actually Deidara said Old Ohnoki was even stronger than young ohnoki

 

[EconomicSuicide]

Well blame kishi form saying things like hiruzen(worst homage shown) was god tier, have him lose to orochimaru giving his life or no reason. Then showing oonik, who was older, whip ass and then have the other kages act like gods. I dont see hiruzen taking down kisame who never showed his true power similar to itachi

 

[Nagi]

I believe in Prime Hanzo. I heard that he fought Avatar Aang. But the thing is old Hanzo should've raped Orochimaru with no problem at all. I don't care what anybody say. You may lose strength as you get older, but you become more wiser and find ways to end battles without dragging it out.

 

[super yang]

both healthy & pime are legit. people just have poor imaginations regarding the latter

 

[EconomicSuicide]

I still haven't seen what made the sarutobi clan so great. Asuma was nice and all but nothing to bat an eye at....

 

[MickNerks]

Some people just refuse to believe the hype because it threatens the superiority of their favorite character. Prime Hiruzen has more canon feats then most will admit because it makes him way to strong in their eyes. Most on this base would rather believe that the earth will end tommorow then believe in the feats of hiruzen which is sad.lol

Hiruzen the most well rounded character in the manga

 

[kimb]

Prime Hiruzen only existed in the idea that Naruto would have one part. The story expanded and went in depth to the Narutoverse's history, making the possibility of Prime Hiruzen existing illogical.