[Discussion] why not sanji?

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Given how even fodders survived that water pressure and how people like Camie who has nearly same durability as humans managed to overcomes it. I don't think it is as impressive as you guys are thinking.






Don't you think you are being biased? Sanji is weaker than Zoro and Fujitora is stronger than Joker yet you think he can do better than Zoro against Fujitora. Where as Zoro can't do anything better than Sanji against Joker?

Why should Zoro fight in the air again? He has long range attacks and he can simply send a slash from the ground. If I remember correctly Law can't fly, at least not on the same level as Sanji but he did fine against Joker. It is not like fighting Joker is an impossible task if you don't know how to fly.Lol

Zoro it's not about who's stronger it's about how they can fight

I said if u switch sanji and zoro in those situations sanji by feats should be able to pull off something on the scale that zoro did ... Due to the underwater feat he is shown to be able to move at high speeds despite under so much water pressure/gravity disadvantag

Zoro on other hand he would not have been able to save straw hats cuz he couldn't fly .. doffy would have been able to get to the ship due to no one being able to intercept him u said zoro can do air slashes ... Doffy is faster then sanji law and luffy... Hes not getting hit by that ... My posts are not about who is stronger cuz its obvious that zoro has the edge (first mate fights stronger opponents etc) but the gap is not as big as ppl think as portrayed with jubra and kaku and nothing that zoro pts has shown elevates this

 

[A v i]

.... Law is shown to be able to activate his room with the speeds of luffy gear second .... That's a speed feat and reaction feat as well as save sanji in blink of an eye from doffy also stop overheat law is faster then zoro so Idk what u mean here also vergo was being an idiot and taunting law from how he used to beat him before ... Against zoro there would b none of tht due to vergo not knowing zoro... Aside from the information in the marines ....

Movement speed and striking speed are not same. Law has faster striking speed and good reactions but he does not have any impressive speed feats. You can prove me wrong by providing a scan at any time.

In case if you don't understand what I was talking about : Speed means a quick movement from point A to point B. I hope you are aware of the name Shunshin no jutsu from Naruto.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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They all fell unconscious, so hardly the same.

If youre talking about the great water pressure Sanji was able to withstand(which his fans use to say he is the most durable), i'd like to add that Zoro's slash(es) cut the octupus' whole tentacle off. His slash(es) were also strong enough to withstand the water pressure.

And that has to do with Zoro's body, what?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Can't keep up? That implies Sanji is so fast that Zoro can't keep up. Do you believe that? Zoro and Sanji are close in speed. Although I'd say Sanji is faster over a certain distance, is there really any evidence to back it?
Sanji wasn't exactly able to clash leg-to-leg like you put it. You make it sound like they were going toe-to-toe. Doflamingo blocked his one kick and then demolished Sanji in his counter attack.

If u see how vergo was attacking law vs how was attacking sanji law he was just blitzing due to being faster then him sanji on otherhsnd I'd either faster (I doubt) or on same speed as vergo (more accurate) zoro being slower then both would be blitzed like law lol... But difference is zoro could take it I reckon zoro would slash the **** out of vergo then vergo would realize to use haki.... The purpose of my postwas to show the difference in an injured sanji who I clashed with vergo and got his leg fractured vs a healthy sanji who clashed with a much stronger doffy and left with his leg intact do u understand what I mean ?? The main reason sanji leg got fractured against vergo wasn't because of him being super weaker then vergo (which he Is weaker) it was due to Caesar nuking his body with nami inside of it prior beforehand

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Movement speed and striking speed are not same. Law has faster striking speed and good reactions but he does not have any impressive speed feats. You can prove me wrong by providing a scan at any time.

In case if you don't understand what I was talking about : Speed means a quick movement from point A to point B. I hope you are aware of the name Shunshin no jutsu from Naruto.

Able to incercept overheat with his room .... He moves with his room...

 

[NarutoBmx33]

They all fell unconscious, so hardly the same.

And that has to do with Zoro's body, what?

Not body, just his strength. Im saying that people hype up Sanji's durability and strength too much solely based on his ability to withstand the water pressure. It's not that impressive if you ask me. His other abilities regarding speed and the strength of his legs are impressive. I know this is off-topic but oh well.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Not body, just his strength. Im saying that people hype up Sanji's durability and strength too much solely based on his abikity to withstand under the water pressure. It's not that impressive if you ask me. His other abilities regarding speed and the strength of his legs are impressive. I know this is off-topic but oh well.

Never seen anyone use the underwater feat as a strength feat physically wise obvious zoro is stronger
As far As durability I'd go with sanji because of the water feat however that only means he has a stronger body (fight diffrent climates unaffected stronger immune system etc)

That has nothing to do with how much damage he can take because that is durability mixed with endurance and will to fight which I believe zoro has stronger endurance and will during fighting as shown in majority of his fights

 

[A v i]

Zoro it's not about who's stronger it's about how they can fight

I said if u switch sanji and zoro in those situations sanji by feats should be able to pull off something on the scale that zoro did ... Due to the underwater feat he is shown to be able to move at high speeds despite under so much water pressure/gravity disadvantag

I got your point but the thing is their fighting styles are different so it is impossible to imagine Zoro in the same situation as Sanji but we can put him against same attacks on the ground i.e. Zoro VS 5 coloured strings and Zoro vs Parasite.. etc..

As I said before it wasn't really impressive if you ask me. That water pressure wasn't even strong enough to crush Luffy's G3 hand(before adding Koka) which is practically a rubber balloon. No need to mention about Luffy's weakness inside water.

Zoro on other hand he would not have been able to save straw hats cuz he couldn't fly .. doffy would have been able to get to the ship due to no one being able to intercept him u said zoro can do air slashes ...

It wouldn't make Sanji more impressive than Zoro no matter how badly you think about it. It's like saying that Usopp is more impressive than M3 because he was the only one that could handle Perona. It just means that Sanji is more suitable for fighting in such a place than Zoro.

Doffy is faster then sanji law and luffy... Hes not getting hit by that ... My posts are not about who is stronger cuz its obvious that zoro has the edge (first mate fights stronger opponents etc) but the gap is not as big as ppl think as portrayed with jubra and kaku and nothing that zoro pts has shown elevates this

I didn't said that he can hit or beat Joker. My point is that he has no reason to fly to attack his enemy.

I have explained why Kaku and Jubra argument was not valid after EL arc in countless threads. I don't get why people are still riding on pre TS logics to justify current power levels.

They all fell unconscious, so hardly the same.

Since when does humans can remain conscious under water? The point is their bodies didn't get crushed by water pressure and they did survived.

Able to incercept overheat with his room .... He moves with his room...

That feat involves his reactions and teleportation(FTG). He did not use his speed. Law has 0 impressive movement speed(Shunshin) feats.

What Law used to save Sanji = FTG.

What Vergo/ Sanji uses = Shunshi.

 

[Bogard]

It's not Sanji who became weaker. It's Zoro who closed the gap(that Luffy created with gears introduction) with Luffy over the timeskip. Just look at the difference in their attack power for example

Before gears introduction

Gap in attack power

Normal Bazooka = 108 pound phoenix

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Later on, Luffy developped gears with gear second upgrading his speed(doubling his attack power) and gear 3 upgrading his attack power to the extremes(but lowered his speed).

The gear3 version of bazooka became giant bazooka. And after the timeskip, in combination with armament haki, it became grizzly magnum

But like you can see here, while preskip Zoro's 108 pound phoenix was equal to the normal bazooka, post-skip Zoro's 1080 pound phoenix seemingly exceeded grizzly magnum in power

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This shows already that Zoro closed the gap in attack power that existed between preskip Luffy and him. When Zoro's attack power was roughly comparable to base Luffy preskip(outside Asura or thriller bark shusui), post-skip Zoro's attack power became comparable to gear3 Luffy's

So for Sanji to have remained closer, he'd have to prove he actually closed the gap that existed between him and Luffy like Zoro proved to do

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's not Sanji who became weaker. It's Zoro who closed the gap(that Luffy created with gears introduction) with Luffy over the timeskip. Just look at the difference in their attack power for example

Before gears introduction

Gap in attack power

Normal Bazooka = 108 pound phoenix

Spoiler

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Later on, Luffy developped gears with gear second upgrading his speed(doubling his attack power) and gear 3 upgrading his attack power to the extremes(but lowered his speed).

The gear3 version of bazooka became giant bazooka. And after the timeskip, in combination with armament haki, it became grizzly magnum

But like you can see here, while preskip Zoro's 108 pound phoenix was equal to the normal bazooka, post-skip Zoro's 1080 pound phoenix seemingly exceeded grizzly magnum in power

Spoiler

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This shows already that Zoro closed the gap in attack power that existed between preskip Luffy and him. When Zoro's attack power was roughly comparable to base Luffy preskip(outside Asura or thriller bark shusui), post-skip Zoro's attack power became comparable to gear3 Luffy's

So for Sanji to have remained closer, he'd have to prove he actually closed the gap that existed between him and Luffy like Zoro proved to do

The damage is more or less the same, one is just in a left to right/back to front manner of destruction, and the other is up and down. But yeah, Zoro closed the gap a lot.

 

[Zorø]

Zoro>Sanji high diff Sanji could never push him to the extreme diff call me a fanboy or whatever I dont give 2 shits.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You guys are all debating Zoro vs Sanji. WE KNOW ZORO>SANJI

Sanji's a bad match for Zoro. The fight would end in a tie even though Zoro is stronger because DJ is white hot, hot enough to melt swords. Which would mean Zoro would have to dodge Sanji rather than take a full frontal approach like he usually does.

However the idiots believe Zoro would mid or low diff Sanji... This base is full of them! The Zoro wank is becoming unbearable, might as well start Sanji wanking all the time

 

[SSS12]

You guys are all debating Zoro vs Sanji. WE KNOW ZORO>SANJI

Sanji's a bad match for Zoro. The fight would end in a tie even though Zoro is stronger because DJ is white hot, hot enough to melt swords. Which would mean Zoro would have to dodge Sanji rather than take a full frontal approach like he usually does.

However the idiots believe Zoro would mid or low diff Sanji... This base is full of them! The Zoro wank is becoming unbearable, might as well start Sanji wanking all the time

I take it this was a joke for the Zoro fans?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I take it this was a joke for the Zoro fans?

Provocation

 

[Zorø]

You guys are all debating Zoro vs Sanji. WE KNOW ZORO>SANJI

Sanji's a bad match for Zoro. The fight would end in a tie even though Zoro is stronger because DJ is white hot, hot enough to melt swords. Which would mean Zoro would have to dodge Sanji rather than take a full frontal approach like he usually does.

However the idiots believe Zoro would mid or low diff Sanji... This base is full of them! The Zoro wank is becoming unbearable, might as well start Sanji wanking all the time

Sanji is not a bad match up for Zoro because Sanjis DJ move is red hot doesnt mean it can melt Zoro's swords, he can block it with haki duh....just look back at marineford when Shanks blocked Akainus magma fist with his sword did it melt?...exactly no plus Zoro has stronger CoA than sanjiU_U.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Sanji is not a bad match up for Zoro because Sanjis DJ move is red hot doesnt mean it can melt Zoro's swords, he can block it with haki duh....just look back at marineford when Shanks blocked Akainus magma fist with his sword did it melt?...exactly no plus Zoro has stronger CoA than sanjiU_U.

Iron melting point: 1,538 °C
Steel melting point: 1,610 °C
White hot flames (Diable Jambe): 4990 °C approx

Next?

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Iron melting point: 1,538 °C
Steel melting point: 1,610 °C
White hot flames (Diable Jambe): 4990 °C approx

Next?

Sanji's DJ is hotter than Akainu's magma/lava?

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Iron melting point: 1,538 °C
Steel melting point: 1,610 °C
White hot flames (Diable Jambe): 4990 °C approx

Next?

Forgive me maybe I got a very awful memory but is there a scan of Sanji melting something.
The condescending tone is not my intent but this place is full of rude pple so it wld seem as though I'm trying to b rude though really am not).

 

[Zorø]

Iron melting point: 1,538 °C
Steel melting point: 1,610 °C
White hot flames (Diable Jambe): 4990 °C approx

Next?

Your logic pointless real life logic cant always be used when it comes to an anime like one piece. U_U.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Your logic pointless real life logic cant always be used when it comes to an anime like one piece. U_U.

I tried arguing about that with these guys a while back. I was told as long as 1+1=2 in OP world, then all other real life aspects of science and math also apply to the OP world.
dont ever bother bro