[Discussion] why not sanji?

[A v i]

I admit that it was a good feat but I don't think it's as impressive as you guys are thinking given how even fodders from Caribou Pirates survived water pressure.

1. Zoro was helpless to stop Fujitora from leaving with Doffy and Law. Fuji outclassed him clearly.

Helpless? Lol

He was about to attack Fujitora and interrupted by marines. Regardless, my point is when Zoro was in the same situation as Sanji i.e. when he was under the influence of enemies attack he freed himself on his own.

2. Sanji also forced Doffy to defend against his attacks.

Not when he was attacked by Joker.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Based on pretimeskip scaling like i've said. If he was more durable than Sanji preskip, i don't think his portrayal will go backwards. Not to mention armament is his speciality for a reason. I don't see his bones getting cracked as easily as Sanji's was against Vergo for example

*sigh* That's not how it works, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

I admit that it was a good feat but I don't think it's as impressive as you guys are thinking given how even fodders from Caribou Pirates survived water pressure.




Helpless? Lol

He was about to attack Fujitora and interrupted by marines. Regardless, my point is when Zoro was in the same situation as Sanji i.e. when he was under the influence of enemies attack he freed himself on his own.





Not when he was attacked by Joker.

Can I have a scan of the Caribou pirates doing that?

1. That was because the nature of the attacks were different. Fuji's made it harder to move, Doffy's made it impossible to move.

2. Yeah, you should rewatch/reread that fight again. Sanji kicked him, and Doffy blocked with his knee. Then, Sanji ignited his other leg, and tried to kick Doffy. Doffy dodged, and slashed him, causing him to fall back. Sanji then used Sky Walk to regain his balance, and attacked Doffy again, and Doffy blocked the attack with his arm, then restrained him and went to use Overheat.

 

[Bogard]

*sigh* That's not how it works, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

And how does it work then? Like i've said when one side isn't put to test, there is absolute no way to say the other side is superior. What you're basically doing is similar to me saying that Sanji is more durable than Vergo because he wasn't put in that situation, or that he is more durable than Doflamingo because he wasn't put in that situation or that Sanji is more durable than Akainu because he wasn't put in that situation or that he is more durable than Roger because he wasn't put in that situation. Or do you actually believe this nonsense?

If both were put in the same situation, you'd have had a point, but Zoro wasn't put in the situation in question. In this case, we can only base it on portrayal and portrayal based on preskip Zoro and Sanji, plus the fact Oda decided for armament to be Zoro's speciality heavily implies what it implies

 

[Punk Hazard]

And how does it work then? Like i've said when one side isn't put to test, there is absolute no way to say the other side is superior. What you're basically doing is similar to me saying that Sanji is more durable than Vergo because he wasn't put in that situation, or that he is more durable than Doflamingo because he wasn't put in that situation or that Sanji is more durable than Akainu because he wasn't put in that situation or that he is more durable than Roger because he wasn't put in that situation. Or do you actually believe this nonsense?

If both were put in the same situation, you'd have had a point, but Zoro wasn't put in the situation in question. In this case, we can only base it on portrayal and portrayal based on preskip Zoro and Sanji, plus the fact Oda decided for armament to be Zoro's speciality heavily implies what it implies

Nope. You're basically saying that because Zoro was more durable than Sanji pre-skip, when Sanji's durability increases we can just assume that Zoro's has as well. You're saying their growth is proportional, that when Sanji increases in an area, Zoro's must have as well. By this logic, everyone that was stronger than Luffy by Marineford will forever be stronger than him. Do you believe this nonsense?

Vergo and Doffy showed greater durability than Sanji by being completely unfazed by his attacks. We can safely say Akainu and Roger have greater durability because they are on a level far above Sanji's, while Sanji and Zoro are on the same level, so the same principle cannot be applied.

And Zoro was in the same situation. He was in the water with Sanji. Who opted to stay in their bubble, and who had it what it takes to leave it?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Oh my bad. I thought you were talking about their current level because almost none of Zoro fans thinks that pre TS Zoro can mid dif Pre TS Sanji.





You are yet to explain how Bon Kurei was slightly below Daz. What if he was number 2? Are u telling me Daz was very close to Croc just because their numbers are closer in rank?
It means that he was stronger than he was stronger than people below him not that he was on the same level as no:1.







Can't post an argument without an insult.Lol

You know? it'll just prove that you are butt hurt.

We know for a fact the lower number meant the more power (in Baroque Works)

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

I think again.... why Oda decide make Luffy's and Sanji's bubbles broke instead Zoro's ... maybe we can take a portrayal from this. M3's durability .... Luffy > Sanji > Zoro ... or it's just a coincidence.

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But it's in base, so how we compare them if it coated with CoA?

- Base Durability
Luffy > Sanji > Zoro

- CoA
Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

- Base Durability + CoA
Luffy > Zoro = Sanji (depend how far the gap between Zoro's CoA and Sanji's CoA)

 

[A v i]

We know for a fact the lower number meant the more power (in Baroque Works)

What does it has anything to do with Bon being closer to Daz? What we can get from those numbers is that Bon was stronger than everyone below him and weaker than everyone above him that's it. It doesn't explain the actual difference in their strength.

Whatever,I think this discussion is pointless as I am not trying to say that Pre TS Sanji wasn't closer to Zoro.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What does it has anything to do with Bon being closer to Daz? What we can get from those numbers is that Bon was stronger than everyone below him and weaker than everyone above him that's it. It doesn't explain the actual difference in their strength.

Whatever,I think this discussion is pointless as I am not trying to say that Pre TS Sanji wasn't closer to Zoro.

I was simply saying Daz > Bon

 

[A v i]

1. That was because the nature of the attacks were different. Fuji's made it harder to move, Doffy's made it impossible to move.

There is nothing which suggests that it is impossible to move but I can see your point. Regardless , the point is who's feat is more impressive. Zoro did something against his opponent where as Sanji has done nothing hence Zoro gets a point over Sanji here.

2. Yeah, you should rewatch/reread that fight again. Sanji kicked him, and Doffy blocked with his knee. Then, Sanji ignited his other leg, and tried to kick Doffy. Doffy dodged, and slashed him, causing him to fall back. Sanji then used Sky Walk to regain his balance, and attacked Doffy again, and Doffy blocked the attack with his arm, then restrained him and went to use Overheat.

I remember that fight. You didn't get my point I said Zoro forced him to release Zoro where as Sanji failed to at least counter Joker. Forget about Parasite, he even failed to counter 5 coloured strings or whatever it is. I didn't said he forced Fujitora to defend himself sorry if I didn't made it clear.

I was simply saying Daz > Bon

Isn't it super obvious?:|

 

[SSS12]

Nope. You're basically saying that because Zoro was more durable than Sanji pre-skip, when Sanji's durability increases we can just assume that Zoro's has as well. You're saying their growth is proportional, that when Sanji increases in an area, Zoro's must have as well. By this logic, everyone that was stronger than Luffy by Marineford will forever be stronger than him. Do you believe this nonsense?

Vergo and Doffy showed greater durability than Sanji by being completely unfazed by his attacks. We can safely say Akainu and Roger have greater durability because they are on a level far above Sanji's, while Sanji and Zoro are on the same level, so the same principle cannot be applied.

And Zoro was in the same situation. He was in the water with Sanji. Who opted to stay in their bubble, and who had it what it takes to leave it?

Pretty sure he's talking about M3 who were arguably on a similar level, not about everyone present at Marineford.
And I'd say Zoro definitely had a better shot against Vergo, since Zoro is physically stronger and like he said, specializes in CoA. That should give him a better chance besting Vergo.

 

[A v i]

Can I have a scan of the Caribou pirates doing that?

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[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It's because of his bounty and if you observe it a bit carefully all of super novas are those who wants to get big names in NW. so that makes them more or less rivals to each other where as Sanji never had such an intention.



There is absolutely nothing that puts Bon Kurei slightly below Daz Bones and thinking Sanji is currently closer to Zoro just because their pre TS opponents are close in strength is same as saying that Zoro and Luffy are equals since Whiskey peak arc.





There is a difference b/w having more feats and having better feats. Zoro has better feats than Sanji.




The thing is Fujitora is stronger than all of Sanji's opponents and Zoro actually freed himself from Fujitora's attack i.e. he forced Fujitora to stop his gravity and defend himself from Zoro's attack. That's a feat which speaks for volumes where as Sanji was hopeless against Joker who's weaker than Zoro's opponent. Yet you think Sanji did better job than Zoro? The fact that you think Sanji did better clearly proves that it's you who's over wanking Sanji/Downgrading Zoro.

actually if sanji and Fuji clashed he may have been better then zoro if u remember sanji was able to move easily under 5000 feet of water the amount of pressure is insane on a body and will tip it to shreds but sanji body not only stayed in tact he was able to move at high speeds under that gravity
He would've still got babyshaked by Fuji but just saying there is a chance sanji could've did the same thing zoro did if not better since we have seen him be able to fight despite overwhelming gravity encasing his entire body.. if u were to put zoro in sanji situation the straw hats wojldve died simply put because zoro can't fly sanji whole plan was to get doffy away from the SH zoro in this particular scene would not have been able to do tht ...nothing zoro has shown during the time skip should increase his overall strength over sanji (yes Hes stronger but there's barely any Margin it has already been implied with Kaku and jabra nothing post time skip denies this or goes away from it definitely later on maybe but as for right now no)

 

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If youre talking about the great water pressure Sanji was able to withstand(which his fans use to say he is the most durable), i'd like to add that Zoro's slash(es) cut the octupus' whole tentacle off. His slash(es) were also strong enough to withstand the water pressure.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Pretty sure he's talking about M3 who were arguably on a similar level, not about everyone present at Marineford.
And I'd say Zoro definitely had a better shot against Vergo, since Zoro is physically stronger and like he said, specializes in CoA. That should give him a better chance besting Vergo.

Not really if u can't keep up in speed...

Also gotta keep reminder tht nami was in his body beforehand and got it damaged by Caesar vergo fractured his leg (already injured) yet a healthy sanji with dj was able to clash leg for leg with doffy who we all know is stronger then vergo (neither was using haki just like vergo and sanji the only difference is sanji was more healthy granted he got jumped cuz he wouldn't hit violet but that's nothing compared to Caesar nuking his body with nami in it)

 

[A v i]

Not really if u can't keep up in speed...

I don't get why people still love to ride on speed even after witnessing Law who has 0 impressive feats one shotted Vergo who has far better speed feats than Law.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

If youre talking about the great water pressure Sanji was able to withstand(which his fans use to say he is the most durable), i'd like to add that Zoro's slash(es) cut the octupus' whole tentacle off. His slash(es) were also strong enough to withstand the water pressure.

As did sanji with dj......

 

[A v i]

actually if sanji and Fuji clashed he may have been better then zoro if u remember sanji was able to move easily under 5000 feet of water the amount of pressure is insane on a body and will tip it to shreds but sanji body not only stayed in tact he was able to move at high speeds under that gravity He would've still got babyshaked by Fuji but just saying there is a chance sanji could've did the same thing zoro did if not better since we have seen him be able to fight despite overwhelming gravity encasing his entire body.

Given how even fodders survived that water pressure and how people like Camie who has nearly same durability as humans managed to overcomes it. I don't think it is as impressive as you guys are thinking.

. if u were to put zoro in sanji situation the straw hats wojldve died simply put because zoro can't fly sanji whole plan was to get doffy away from the SH zoro in this particular scene would not have been able to do tht ...nothing zoro has shown during the time skip should increase his overall strength over sanji (yes Hes stronger but there's barely any Margin it has already been implied with Kaku and jabra nothing post time skip denies this or goes away from it definitely later on maybe but as for right now no)

Don't you think you are being biased? Sanji is weaker than Zoro and Fujitora is stronger than Joker yet you think he can do better than Zoro against Fujitora. Where as Zoro can't do anything better than Sanji against Joker?

Why should Zoro fight in the air again? He has long range attacks and he can simply send a slash from the ground. If I remember correctly Law can't fly, at least not on the same level as Sanji but he did fine against Joker. It is not like fighting Joker is an impossible task if you don't know how to fly.Lol

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I don't get why people still love to ride on speed even after witnessing Law who has 0 impressive feats one shotted Vergo who has far better speed feats than Law.

.... Law is shown to be able to activate his room with the speeds of luffy gear second .... That's a speed feat and reaction feat as well as save sanji in blink of an eye from doffy also stop overheat law is faster then zoro so Idk what u mean here also vergo was being an idiot and taunting law from how he used to beat him before ... Against zoro there would b none of tht due to vergo not knowing zoro... Aside from the information in the marines ....

 

[NarutoBmx33]

As did sanji with dj......

Oh man, completely missing the point.
Good luck bro

 

[SSS12]

Not really if u can't keep up in speed...

Also gotta keep reminder tht nami was in his body beforehand and got it damaged by Caesar vergo fractured his leg (already injured) yet a healthy sanji with dj was able to clash leg for leg with doffy who we all know is stronger then vergo (neither was using haki just like vergo and sanji the only difference is sanji was more healthy granted he got jumped cuz he wouldn't hit violet but that's nothing compared to Caesar nuking his body with nami in it)

Can't keep up? That implies Sanji is so fast that Zoro can't keep up. Do you believe that? Zoro and Sanji are close in speed. Although I'd say Sanji is faster over a certain distance, is there really any evidence to back it?
Sanji wasn't exactly able to clash leg-to-leg like you put it. You make it sound like they were going toe-to-toe. Doflamingo blocked his one kick and then demolished Sanji in his counter attack.