..... Emm...... For general info before judging anything, i'll try to help ya with this lil' explanation below
Firstly, i'm guessing the women... i mean woman that you're referring to is possibly Shaki, and she lists out all the current pirate rookies for our Strawhats, where there are:
Eustass 'Captain' Kid (315 millions beli),
Monkey D Luffy (300 millions beli),
Basil Hawkins (249 millions beli),
X Drake (222 millions beli),
Trafalgar Law (200 millions beli),
Scratchmen Apoo (198 millions beli),
Killer (162 millions beli),
Jewelry Bonney (140 millions beli),
Capone Bege (138 millions beli),
Roronoa Zoro (120 millions beli),
Urouge (108 millions beli).
Above bounties are before TS. Shaki says Kid basically has the highest bounty due to his notorious act towards citizens along his journeys, hence it proves that a bounty value alone can't be used to indicate someone's strength level. It depends on his reputation on a possibility of harming the WG or ordinary people. They're called as rookies when their bounties reach more than 100 millions beli.
However, Luffy's generation of rookies (Supernovas) are super special, because all of them 11 reach in Sabaody at the same time with their crews despite taking different routes. Society starts to label them as 'Worst Generation' (plus Marshall D Teach or BB) thanks to the coincidental incidents keep happening which always involve their names, be it one or two of the Supernovas. Ever since at Sabaody, Kid+Luffy+Law wreak havoc, while in MF war, Luffy+Law+Blackbeard gain their rep there. After the war ended, Kid+Hawkins and a few others are causing troubles to other places within two years.
Before TS, Sanji's bounty is only 77 millions beli. Zoro has the edge of getting more value than Sanji's probably because of his former title as a Pirate Hunter. Whenever people talk about Zoro, they'll say something like "The one that kills 100 pirate hunters in Whiskey Peak!" even after TS. Thus you can't really use bounty value to evaluate Sanji's strength. It matters more on the fame one character may get from people around them when it comes to pirate bounty.
Nobody really know who's Sanji or how his real face looks like. If you notice, Sanji always save the day by doing stuff behind the scene, without many people knowing it. For instances, his 'Mr.Prince' alias back in Little Garden if i'm not mistaken. He's the only Strawhats crew that no member of Baroque Works recognises him, hence he has the chance to save other crews later on during Alasbasta arc.
Sanji does something unexpected as well in Skypiea arc. Facing Enel's thousand volts, Sanji pushes Nami away, taking her place by being the receiving end of such crazy attack. Yet it happens on Enel's floating ship high up in the sky and nobody else knows except Usopp, Nami and Enel.
Another one is during Water 7 arc. As other Strawhats have been defeated by CP9, Sanji whom keeps looking for Robin finally found her and able to reconfirm where she goes. At the end of Enies Lobby arc, Sanji's the one that open the Gate of Justice to create a whirlpool, stopping Marines from catch up to them when they're trying to escape.
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This is after TS stuffs. If you haven't reached there, don't read till you have.
You may compare Sanji and Zoro, Sanji's not that weak as people have thought. He's one of M3 for a reason, and he's placed with Nami & co. on Sunny Go while facing Big Mam pirate crews for a reason as well. Sanji's blue walk is durable under deep sea pressure, plus he's the fastest swimmer among the Strawhats. He gets both brain and strength most of the times, unlike Luffy and Zoro, hence it's his bonus. Sanji is able to kick a big creature such as Wadatsumi on his own, while Zoro beats a large dragon in PH with Luffy's aid (and a lil' help from Usopp). The handicap is Wadatsumi is not as menacing as the said dragon though.
I'm not gonna say much for Sanji feats, not until we meet him again. I've to agree Zoro has a lots of feats this year, but they're because of the turn of event in current arc. But yes, i agree with you though, like Sanji and Zoro strength level is supposedly close, not that much of a gap between them.
instead of making dumb claims atleast bring something thats proves your point how much times has sanji been unconscious/ almost dead since the time skip
btw im not a zoro fanor sanjis as matter o fact just that until sanji shows something impressive that how it its weaker than zoro
It's because of his bounty and if you observe it a bit carefully all of super novas are those who wants to get big names in NW. so that makes them more or less rivals to each other where as Sanji never had such an intention.
Really? Even when Zoro has defeated ever so slightly stronger opponents e.g. Daz Bones > Bon Kurei, Kakku > Jyabura... Zoro is everso slightly stronger than Sanji, although, Zoro wank gets the best of most and they think he can mid-diff Sanji (which is certainly not the case).
There is absolutely nothing that puts Bon Kurei slightly below Daz Bones and thinking Sanji is currently closer to Zoro just because their pre TS opponents are close in strength is same as saying that Zoro and Luffy are equals since Whiskey peak arc.
What did Zoro show After the NW? The only feats he has is one shotting Monet. By that logic, he would be below Cavendish/Hakuba. He had more feats in this arc than Zoro since the NW started.
There is a difference b/w having more feats and having better feats. Zoro has better feats than Sanji.
Sanji fought Vergo and clashed with Doffy and is right now going to fight BM people. The only thing Zoro did was attacking Fuji, who just blocked his attack with no effort.
The thing is Fujitora is stronger than all of Sanji's opponents and Zoro actually freed himself from Fujitora's attack i.e. he forced Fujitora to stop his gravity and defend himself from Zoro's attack. That's a feat which speaks for volumes where as Sanji was hopeless against Joker who's weaker than Zoro's opponent. Yet you think Sanji did better job than Zoro? The fact that you think Sanji did better clearly proves that it's you who's over wanking Sanji/Downgrading Zoro.
It's because of his bounty and if you observe it a bit carefully all of super novas are those who wants to get big names in NW. so that makes them more or less rivals to each other where as Sanji never had such an intention.
There is absolutely nothing that puts Bon Kurei slightly below Daz Bones and thinking Sanji is currently closer to Zoro just because their pre TS opponents are close in strength is same as saying that Zoro and Luffy are equals since Whiskey peak arc.
There is a difference b/w having more feats and having better feats. Zoro has better feats than Sanji.
The thing is Fujitora is stronger than all of Sanji's opponents and Zoro actually freed himself from Fujitora's attack i.e. he forced Fujitora to stop his gravity and defend himself from Zoro's attack. That's a feat which speaks for volumes where as Sanji was hopeless against Joker who's weaker than Zoro's opponent. Yet you think Sanji did better job than Zoro? The fact that you think Sanji did better clearly proves that it's you who's over wanking Sanji/Downgrading Zoro.
sums up the stupidness of 80% of the zoro fanbase. thanks god we the other half have a brain and not wank our d's 24/7 for him.
they both said what it has to be said and yet you come over with your fanfic. op discussions would be so much better without zoro as a character, but it's not odas fault, it is people like you that ruin every aspect of it and don't know anything else than strength, badass zoro solos. try to follow op for the godamn story, the little details and the development he puts in everything next time, jesus.
There is absolutely nothing that puts Bon Kurei slightly below Daz Bones and thinking Sanji is currently closer to Zoro just because their pre TS opponents are close in strength is same as saying that Zoro and Luffy are equals since Whiskey peak arc.
Sorry, can I just laugh at you? Because you missed my point.
I'm saying Zoro and Sanji are close in power, very close. I didn't get technical. I didn't say Sanji is closer since the timeskip, because it was impossible to be closer (between the two) pre timeskip, I didn't even mention it anyways?
Oh? So the fact Daz Bones was held on a lower floor in ID and also held the alias Mr 1 whereas Bon Kurei was Mr 2 counts for jack shit? Cool. Great logic dude. Fantastic.
OUT OF THIS WORLD. DAMN SON.
You seriously need to reread the Manga. The entire thing, ten times. So that you finally get a mild understanding of it.
Why don't you post an argument instead of crying while complaining about fanboys and shit? As far as I am concerned the word fan boys is an excuse used by people with no real arguments.Lol
they both said what it has to be said and yet you come over with your fanfic.
I would like u to show me exactly which part of my post was a fan fic?
Zoro having better feats than Sanji?
Fujitora being stronger than Joker?
Zoro being able to free himself from Fujitora's attack?
Sanji being hopeless against Joker?
You'll have to post a real argument with manga back up before saying that my points are fan fics.
op discussions would be so much better without zoro as a character, but it's not odas fault, it is people like you that ruin every aspect of it and don't know anything else than strength, badass zoro solos. try to follow op for the godamn story, the little details and the development he puts in everything next time, jesus.
Sorry, can I just laugh at you? Because you missed my point.
I'm saying Zoro and Sanji are close in power, very close. I didn't get technical. I didn't say Sanji is closer since the timeskip, because it was impossible to be closer (between the two) pre timeskip, I didn't even mention it anyways?
Oh my bad. I thought you were talking about their current level because almost none of Zoro fans thinks that pre TS Zoro can mid dif Pre TS Sanji.
Oh? So the fact Daz Bones was held on a lower floor in ID and also held the alias Mr 1 whereas Bon Kurei was Mr 2 counts for jack shit? Cool. Great logic dude. Fantastic.
You are yet to explain how Bon Kurei was slightly below Daz. What if he was number 2? Are u telling me Daz was very close to Croc just because their numbers are closer in rank?
It means that he was stronger than he was stronger than people below him not that he was on the same level as no:1.
OUT OF THIS WORLD. DAMN SON.
You seriously need to reread the Manga. The entire thing, ten times. So that you finally get a mild understanding of it.
Lower bounties and no Sanji and Zoro aren't equal lol, unless Oda wants to **** up the plot. Sanji & Zoro were pre-TS about equal (Zoro slightly the stronger imo), but timeskip makes the difference, just take a look at Zoro's training (he lost his eye) while all Sanji did was running away from some weirdo's. I'm not a Zoro wanker and I'm not saying he would mid-diff Sanji, but I think Oda made it obvious Zoro is the stronger one.
Mobility: Sanji > Zoro(better flexibility on water, ground or other environments) Top speed: Sanji > Zoro(sky walk) Striking speed: Zoro >= Sanji(Zoro has better feats, but i give Sanji the benefit of doubt) Reaction speed: Zoro ~ Sanji(pacifista scaling) Range: Zoro > Sanji(no comment) Durability: Zoro > Sanji(pretimeskip scaling) Endurance: Zoro > Sanji(pretimeskip scaling) Fire power: Zoro > Sanji
For the third and final one, i'd go into details if needed
In a fight though, mobility and top speed won't count much because Sanji is a close range fighter and Zoro dominates him in every categories where it counts
Zoro is slightly stronger than Sanji, the same way a man who can lift 205 pounds is stronger than a man who can lift 200 pounds. Zoro is stronger, but not by as much as this forum will have you believe. People here think Zoro is way stronger than Sanji because Zoro has been one-shotting middle schoolers while Sanji has been beaten up by adults.
Mobility: Sanji > Zoro(better flexibility on water, ground or other environments) Top speed: Sanji > Zoro(sky walk) Striking speed: Zoro >= Sanji(Zoro has better feats, but i give Sanji the benefit of doubt) Reaction speed: Zoro ~ Sanji(pacifista scaling) Range: Zoro > Sanji(no comment) Durability: Zoro > Sanji(pretimeskip scaling) Endurance: Zoro > Sanji(pretimeskip scaling) Fire power: Zoro > Sanji
For the third and final one, i'd go into details if needed
In a fight though, mobility and top speed won't count much because Sanji is a close range fighter and Zoro dominates him in every categories where it counts
It's because of his bounty and if you observe it a bit carefully all of super novas are those who wants to get big names in NW. so that makes them more or less rivals to each other where as Sanji never had such an intention.
There is absolutely nothing that puts Bon Kurei slightly below Daz Bones and thinking Sanji is currently closer to Zoro just because their pre TS opponents are close in strength is same as saying that Zoro and Luffy are equals since Whiskey peak arc.
There is a difference b/w having more feats and having better feats. Zoro has better feats than Sanji.
The thing is Fujitora is stronger than all of Sanji's opponents and Zoro actually freed himself from Fujitora's attack i.e. he forced Fujitora to stop his gravity and defend himself from Zoro's attack. That's a feat which speaks for volumes where as Sanji was hopeless against Joker who's weaker than Zoro's opponent. Yet you think Sanji did better job than Zoro? The fact that you think Sanji did better clearly proves that it's you who's over wanking Sanji/Downgrading Zoro.
Based on pretimeskip scaling like i've said. If he was more durable than Sanji preskip, i don't think his portrayal will go backwards. Not to mention armament is his speciality for a reason. I don't see his bones getting cracked as easily as Sanji's was against Vergo for example
Agree. Possibly Sanji is superior than Zoro when it comes to underwater condition. Sanji has been shown fighting or diving under the sea many times before ever since Arlong arc.
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