Venomous Cobra
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so i was watching one piece and the women was talking about the pirate rookies ,so if both of zoro and luffy are there why not sanji ?i mean he's either stronger than zoro or they're equal ........
[Discussion] why not sanji?
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xanonymosx
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........ i will pretend i didnt see this and answer your question, because his bounty isnt high enough
Venomous Cobra
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ohhh so it's about the bounties , and yeah i am not caught up with OP but is sanji really that weak that i can't compare him with zoro???
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Oh why? We always have to see the Zoro wank and he wasn't that wrong either.
Sanji is not far from Zoro when it comes to strength. If Oda himself says it, then i'm sure you can believe it.
xanonymosx
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dont get me wrong when i said his bounty isnt high enough i didnt mean he is weak bounty dsnt reflect the characters power
however he is not the equal to zoro people think he is ( just because of thier regular conflicts) what he showed dsnt qualify him to push zoro to the extreme imo you can call me wanker or what ever you want
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What did Zoro show After the NW? The only feats he has is one shotting Monet. By that logic, he would be below Cavendish/Hakuba.
He had more feats in this arc than Zoro since the NW started.
Sanji fought Vergo and clashed with Doffy and is right now going to fight BM people. The only thing Zoro did was attacking Fuji, who just blocked his attack with no effort.
It's nice and fine if you are a Zoro fan, but some people should stop posting bs that he is far above Sanji, which is not even close to that.
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xanonymosx
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seems you skipped some chapters buddy and the fact you did count sanji`s clash with DD as a feat amazes me didnt know that getting owend by somone without doing somthing can be counted as a good feat
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this post makes me hate myself to be a zoro fan....
i think zoro is tronger as sanji but not like this guy is trying to make his fanfic real.
xanonymosx
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the one who should clarify his point is you... dsnt matter if zoro is going to get owend too cause that dsnt make it a feat neither
smoker and luffy whould get owend by mihawk does that means they are equal ? no
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I already showed my point. It was not trying to show Sanji as equal nor him being stronger than Zoro.
More like that people try to make him weaker than he is and that he is not far from Zoro as people like you wish.
He atleast fought someone that was way stronger than him and made him get to defence with his kick, while Zoro is playing hide and seek with a rockhead idiot. (and we all know that he is no problem for Zoro)
And like i already said , if you go by that logic, then Cavendish/Hakuba is above Zoro, since he showed more feats in this whole arc than Zoro did since the NW has started.
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Really? Even when Zoro has defeated ever so slightly stronger opponents e.g. Daz Bones > Bon Kurei, Kakku > Jyabura... Zoro is everso slightly stronger than Sanji, although, Zoro wank gets the best of most and they think he can mid-diff Sanji (which is certainly not the case).
Those super rookies were based on bounties being over 100,000,000 and Sanji's bounty was only 77,000,000... This means he is exempt from being one of the Supernova of the "Worst Generation". I'm surprised you still think Sanji is stronger than or equal to Zoro even after Zoro got his bounty first, his bounty is higher, and he is a Supernova and Sanji isn't (whether he deserves it or not is open for debate, and I reckon he was equal to some of the weaker Supernova). Sanji has always been a satirical and comical target for Oda, hence the reason why Sanji is most probably left out.
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your comment is irrelevant , i asked a simple question and the first guy answered it ,if anything i should be botherd with you irrelevance
OT: well sanji and zoro are close in my opinion but thats not my point , i just think that he deserves a place in the rookies list ,not trying to start a sanjivs zoro shit........
Like others said, it's because Sanji's bounty isn't high enough, and another reason may be because Sanji is the most obscure Straw Hat. He's best when he does something in secret (like Mr. Prince and closing the gate at Enies Lobby), and the Navy can't even get his face right. So, the less infamy for him, the better.
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I completely agree with you.
P.S. people forget Sanji can melt Iron with Diable Jambe (swords
...)Are you following the Manga or the Anime? If you have any questions or queries feel free to pm or vm me
..... Emm...... For general info before judging anything, i'll try to help ya with this lil' explanation below
Firstly, i'm guessing the women... i mean woman that you're referring to is possibly Shaki, and she lists out all the current pirate rookies for our Strawhats, where there are:
Eustass 'Captain' Kid (315 millions beli),
Monkey D Luffy (300 millions beli),
Basil Hawkins (249 millions beli),
X Drake (222 millions beli),
Trafalgar Law (200 millions beli),
Scratchmen Apoo (198 millions beli),
Killer (162 millions beli),
Jewelry Bonney (140 millions beli),
Capone Bege (138 millions beli),
Roronoa Zoro (120 millions beli),
Urouge (108 millions beli).
Above bounties are before TS. Shaki says Kid basically has the highest bounty due to his notorious act towards citizens along his journeys, hence it proves that a bounty value alone can't be used to indicate someone's strength level. It depends on his reputation on a possibility of harming the WG or ordinary people. They're called as rookies when their bounties reach more than 100 millions beli.
However, Luffy's generation of rookies (Supernovas) are super special, because all of them 11 reach in Sabaody at the same time with their crews despite taking different routes. Society starts to label them as 'Worst Generation' (plus Marshall D Teach or BB) thanks to the coincidental incidents keep happening which always involve their names, be it one or two of the Supernovas. Ever since at Sabaody, Kid+Luffy+Law wreak havoc, while in MF war, Luffy+Law+Blackbeard gain their rep there. After the war ended, Kid+Hawkins and a few others are causing troubles to other places within two years.
Before TS, Sanji's bounty is only 77 millions beli. Zoro has the edge of getting more value than Sanji's probably because of his former title as a Pirate Hunter. Whenever people talk about Zoro, they'll say something like "The one that kills 100 pirate hunters in Whiskey Peak!" even after TS. Thus you can't really use bounty value to evaluate Sanji's strength. It matters more on the fame one character may get from people around them when it comes to pirate bounty.
Nobody really know who's Sanji or how his real face looks like. If you notice, Sanji always save the day by doing stuff behind the scene, without many people knowing it. For instances, his 'Mr.Prince' alias back in Little Garden if i'm not mistaken. He's the only Strawhats crew that no member of Baroque Works recognises him, hence he has the chance to save other crews later on during Alasbasta arc.
Sanji does something unexpected as well in Skypiea arc. Facing Enel's thousand volts, Sanji pushes Nami away, taking her place by being the receiving end of such crazy attack. Yet it happens on Enel's floating ship high up in the sky and nobody else knows except Usopp, Nami and Enel.
Another one is during Water 7 arc. As other Strawhats have been defeated by CP9, Sanji whom keeps looking for Robin finally found her and able to reconfirm where she goes. At the end of Enies Lobby arc, Sanji's the one that open the Gate of Justice to create a whirlpool, stopping Marines from catch up to them when they're trying to escape.
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This is after TS stuffs. If you haven't reached there, don't read till you have.
I'm not gonna say much for Sanji feats, not until we meet him again. I've to agree Zoro has a lots of feats this year, but they're because of the turn of event in current arc. But yes, i agree with you though, like Sanji and Zoro strength level is supposedly close, not that much of a gap between them.
Firstly, i'm guessing the women... i mean woman that you're referring to is possibly Shaki, and she lists out all the current pirate rookies for our Strawhats, where there are:
Eustass 'Captain' Kid (315 millions beli),
Monkey D Luffy (300 millions beli),
Basil Hawkins (249 millions beli),
X Drake (222 millions beli),
Trafalgar Law (200 millions beli),
Scratchmen Apoo (198 millions beli),
Killer (162 millions beli),
Jewelry Bonney (140 millions beli),
Capone Bege (138 millions beli),
Roronoa Zoro (120 millions beli),
Urouge (108 millions beli).
Above bounties are before TS. Shaki says Kid basically has the highest bounty due to his notorious act towards citizens along his journeys, hence it proves that a bounty value alone can't be used to indicate someone's strength level. It depends on his reputation on a possibility of harming the WG or ordinary people. They're called as rookies when their bounties reach more than 100 millions beli.
However, Luffy's generation of rookies (Supernovas) are super special, because all of them 11 reach in Sabaody at the same time with their crews despite taking different routes. Society starts to label them as 'Worst Generation' (plus Marshall D Teach or BB) thanks to the coincidental incidents keep happening which always involve their names, be it one or two of the Supernovas. Ever since at Sabaody, Kid+Luffy+Law wreak havoc, while in MF war, Luffy+Law+Blackbeard gain their rep there. After the war ended, Kid+Hawkins and a few others are causing troubles to other places within two years.
Before TS, Sanji's bounty is only 77 millions beli. Zoro has the edge of getting more value than Sanji's probably because of his former title as a Pirate Hunter. Whenever people talk about Zoro, they'll say something like "The one that kills 100 pirate hunters in Whiskey Peak!" even after TS. Thus you can't really use bounty value to evaluate Sanji's strength. It matters more on the fame one character may get from people around them when it comes to pirate bounty.
Nobody really know who's Sanji or how his real face looks like. If you notice, Sanji always save the day by doing stuff behind the scene, without many people knowing it. For instances, his 'Mr.Prince' alias back in Little Garden if i'm not mistaken. He's the only Strawhats crew that no member of Baroque Works recognises him, hence he has the chance to save other crews later on during Alasbasta arc.
Sanji does something unexpected as well in Skypiea arc. Facing Enel's thousand volts, Sanji pushes Nami away, taking her place by being the receiving end of such crazy attack. Yet it happens on Enel's floating ship high up in the sky and nobody else knows except Usopp, Nami and Enel.
Another one is during Water 7 arc. As other Strawhats have been defeated by CP9, Sanji whom keeps looking for Robin finally found her and able to reconfirm where she goes. At the end of Enies Lobby arc, Sanji's the one that open the Gate of Justice to create a whirlpool, stopping Marines from catch up to them when they're trying to escape.
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This is after TS stuffs. If you haven't reached there, don't read till you have.
You may compare Sanji and Zoro, Sanji's not that weak as people have thought. He's one of M3 for a reason, and he's placed with Nami & co. on Sunny Go while facing Big Mam pirate crews for a reason as well. Sanji's blue walk is durable under deep sea pressure, plus he's the fastest swimmer among the Strawhats. He gets both brain and strength most of the times, unlike Luffy and Zoro, hence it's his bonus. Sanji is able to kick a big creature such as Wadatsumi on his own, while Zoro beats a large dragon in PH with Luffy's aid (and a lil' help from Usopp). The handicap is Wadatsumi is not as menacing as the said dragon though.
I'm not gonna say much for Sanji feats, not until we meet him again. I've to agree Zoro has a lots of feats this year, but they're because of the turn of event in current arc. But yes, i agree with you though, like Sanji and Zoro strength level is supposedly close, not that much of a gap between them.
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It's because of their fierce ambitions. All supernovas have great ambitions with the captains looking for the one piece and the likes of Zoro wanting to become the strongest swordsman. Sanji who is ambition-less(when it comes to fighting) didn't possess enough potential to be considered as one from a story-line point of view
instead of making dumb claims atleast bring something thats proves your point how much times has sanji been unconscious/ almost dead since the time skip
btw im not a zoro fanor sanjis as matter o fact just that until sanji shows something impressive that how it its weaker than zoro