Didn't i say i wish we could see more of him. I don't overrate Hashirama like the Hashi fanboys. I just state whatever i feel. EMS Madara alone is a threat to the ninja world. I'm just trying to scale them based on powers and intelligence. Hashirama was no fool and he was strong both mentally and physically. Jiraiya alone could have defeated Pain if he knew his secrets, but he didn't have knowledge and time to defeat him. Hashirama could most likely defeat him given the facts that he experienced war and outmaneuvered anyone he faced in battle. I believe Hashirama takes this, but with difficulty. Hashirama doesn't need Tail Beast, Sharingan, Rinnegan, or any of that mumbo jumbo to be strong. He fights on natural talent alone.