why nagato cant be beaten

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The evidence we have that he doesnt have it any more is that that when he did have it he was completely fused with zetsu who has wood style. And now he's not, its pretty simple, zetsu an obito's connection was way stronger then than it is now that much is obvious
Like i said you can't prove that he doesn't. He doesnt have to use wood style for everything. plus madara said that he can use all the other zetsu's as pawns. NOthing says he can't re-do what he did last time. Beside all it takes is one touch and he can absorb nagato.
Obito has s06p techniques too before he got the rinnegan
 

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Well there are a lot of shinobi that can counter/destroy celestial terra blast.. First of all we can only assume that it will stop absorbing at some point, or at least it should become weaker over time, as it absorbs more.

So Obito will have no problem with it. Same goes for Minato or anyone else who have a S/T jutsu to escape. Now this doesn't mean they beat him. If Obito has his rinnengan as well, though this scenario is impossible, but lets just say he has.. Then he can summon gedo mazo to fight the 6 paths, and it is likely to assume it could resist the celestial terra blast? It seems pretty durable. But can't know.. However, if Obito figured Nagatos secret, he could possibly track him down? At least Tobi could, but then it'd be 2v1 I suppose ^^

Deidara could also destroy it U_U I think he has better destruction power than a tailed beast. He is also the most efficient member of akatsuki at capturing beasts.. Deidara could also kill Pain including nagato. We saw the size of his self-destruction. It would even reach the real Nagato, and I don't really see how he escapes that. No need to find it in the manga really, all should remember the size of self-destruct.

Danzo could also survive celestial terra blast. He got mass izanagi, and he is pretty experienced after all. We know that KA can go through even an edo body to the "user", so it is likely to believe it would work on the rinnengan in the same way. Now I don't have proof, so I wont really try to prove Danzo beating Nagato + Pain - it all depends on the KA.

The celestial terra blast starts off being pretty "small". So it is possible Kakashi could transfer it or transfer some of it to another dimension, thus he could escape it, but he couldn't beat the 6 paths anyway, so pointless mentioning more..

Since Hashirama beat Madara with perfect susano and Kurama, it is likely to believe he could beat Nagato as well. Though the evidence of him beating Madara is the only supportive "evidence" from the manga, so can't really say this either.

Naruto on the other hand. I will give this one to him. Am too busy to look in the manga, but he has become pretty decent lately. His tbb is at the level of 4 tailed beasts. He has SM bunshin at the same time to protect him. He could simply make a bunshin of Kurama mode and use the bunshin to destroy it. I mean he also had SM bunshin at same time when he destroyed those 4 tbb, so he can do it even when he divides his chakra. His speed is insane, so he will not be caught by the other nagatos easy. He still has vast amount of summonings to help out. Sensory type. Kurama can make several arms to guard against any pain in range for anything..

So my deduction is that only Deidara and Naruto can be proven capable of defeating Pain in an even battle, where god realm doesn't need to wait before acquiring his powers. Deidara, however, would tie it, since he will die as well. However, if Obito has his paths as well, he will most likely also be able to do it, or at least put up quite an even match since they are edo tenseis.

Of course Madara might be able to smash it with his giant rock, but I suppose he is a pretty obvious winner, everybody knows U_U
Well first off were talking about nagato not pain

2 Diedara has no chance against nagato, nagato would most likely counter deidara's giant blast with another giant blast an theyll cancel out

Danzo, i dont think he has close to a chance an i dont think iganzi or whatever would work if he loses his soul to Human path

Obito cant control gedo statue over nagato, obito has one eye, nagato has 2 an better mastery over rinnegan. An the tailed beast paths will only feed nagato chakra, plus since nagato is the one how started the black stakes to control dead bodies, he'll know how to stop them off break an can pull the stakes out of their chest with universal pull rendering them useless to obito

Naruto's BM mode will only feed nagato as well i cant see him winning that fight

Hashirama, Madara(only edo madara not EMS) an minato have the best chance at winning. An maybe obito on a good day and nagato has aids an stubbed his toe on the way out of the house...
 

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It's good and all but tobi is aware of the six path of pain technique
Right, I forgot about that, lol... Though that is no advantage actually, since it also means that Nagato knows that Obito knows, and thus he will know what Obito will try to do. His greatest weakness is probably if his opponent knows without him knowing :p still it's a hard one, and it isn't possible that they both have rinnengan.
 

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Like i said you can't prove that he doesn't. He doesnt have to use wood style for everything. plus madara said that he can use all the other zetsu's as pawns. NOthing says he can't re-do what he did last time. Beside all it takes is one touch and he can absorb nagato.
Obito has s06p techniques too before he got the rinnegan
Whatever you gotta tell yourself yo lol
An nagato once touch can kill obito too with human path...
 

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Right, I forgot about that, lol... Though that is no advantage actually, since it also means that Nagato knows that Obito knows, and thus he will know what Obito will try to do. His greatest weakness is probably if his opponent knows without him knowing :p still it's a hard one, and it isn't possible that they both have rinnengan.
If nagato knew what obito knows he would've been dead. Obito didnt only keep secrets from itachi too you know.
Konan was suprise to find out tobi had senju dna
 

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Whatever you gotta tell yourself yo lol
An nagato once touch can kill obito too with human path...
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needs to play tug of war before completing that technique obito needs one touch of a pinky to s/t tecnique. plus oito taught nagato those techniques without rinnegan....he definately knows the weakness of each path ability
 

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there is only one who can counter celestial terra blast. naruto can counter it with huge tbb. kishimoto showed that tbb + rasenshuriken + magatama = destroying celestial terra blast. so only naruto with his hugest tbb can destroy it. and now naruto cant win against preta path. preta path any ninjutsu and chakra so preta path > bm and tbb. tobi has not master rinnegan techs, naruto wanted to use rasengan at nagatos face but it was absorbed. naruto uses rasengan on tobis mask anddestroyed it. there is no mastery of rinnegan by tobi. celestial terra blast is able to crush madara because madara dont have a counter for it (if disagree pls show me the counter of madara he can use in manga). and if madara is smashed nagato will fly up with asura path and take his soul. pls only using manga facts. there is no such rinnegan mastery by madara and tobi.
first of all u have absolutely no proof if madara is a rinnegan master or not, since we dont know yet its all going to be opinions, but from what we can see he has sharingan mastery and wood mastery im pretty sure thats enough to take nagato out
 

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Well first off were talking about nagato not pain

2 Diedara has no chance against nagato, nagato would most likely counter deidara's giant blast with another giant blast an theyll cancel out

Danzo, i dont think he has close to a chance an i dont think iganzi or whatever would work if he loses his soul to Human path

Obito cant control gedo statue over nagato, obito has one eye, nagato has 2 an better mastery over rinnegan. An the tailed beast paths will only feed nagato chakra, plus since nagato is the one how started the black stakes to control dead bodies, he'll know how to stop them off break an can pull the stakes out of their chest with universal pull rendering them useless to obito

Naruto's BM mode will only feed nagato as well i cant see him winning that fight

Hashirama, Madara(only edo madara not EMS) an minato have the best chance at winning. An maybe obito on a good day and nagato has aids an stubbed his toe on the way out of the house...
So it is Nagato alone in edo tensei mode? Or Nagato with his legs healed somehow? Not sure I get it xD

About Naruto, I would love to provide a long strain of evidence, but he is really changed. Go re-read the chapters of the jinchuriki fight and see how strong he has become. He can definitely match him in power, but intelligence may become his loss, though Naruto knows all his abilities, but if he doesn't let his feelings for Nagato get in the way, he will concentrate, and he wont mess up.

Minato perhaps, but we haven't seen everything from him in the manga, and from what we have seen, I can't really see him winning. He is damn intelligent, but still S/T jutsu alone wont bring him close enough to Nagato to land a blow. It's not like those Kunais are useful under terra blast..

Regarding Deidara. I don't really see any way of escaping his explosion unless you can use a reverse summoning jutsu like Sasuke did. He used Manda as a momentary shield so he had time to make the summon himself to Suigetsus scroll (if I remember correctly) that explosion was just too huge, and there is no way nagato could block it with a shield. And Deidara has proven to be able to cast it even with no chakra left. People generally underestimate Deidara. He is imo easily top 10, and he can beat most shinobi that doesn't have sharingan. His nanobombs can't be seen without sharingan (possibly byakugan), and his bombs are very useful to keep enemies busy. Unless you somehow are lucky enough to infuse your body with lightning during the nano bombs, but I mean that is all a coincidence then, unless you are some sick raikage with perma lightning through your body, but then again ABC logic wont work :)
 

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*****. for the troll... Naruto actually beat Preta path... sucked up his chakra... and became a tree... ta-da!!

Seriously... Many shinobi could take him on, Pain's major trick was to pop up out of nowhere... with knowledge forehand, Minato, Jiraya, Itachi, Madara -even without knowledge, he pretty much created him, etc. could stand a big chance.

Nagato all by himself doesn't have the field of vision his path had. Meaning blind spots... Even A might be fast enough to just blitz him
 

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needs to play tug of war before completing that technique obito needs one touch of a pinky to s/t tecnique. plus oito taught nagato those techniques without rinnegan....he definately knows the weakness of each path ability
Naruto had a chakra cloak between hima an his actually body an on the next panel he had extra arms to hold his soul...can u say the same for tobi? An if tobi waps nagato away his hand goes with him so there wont be a tug a war the soul will just go with him
 

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nagato solos this team :). flying with preta activated + celestial terra blast with juubi and soul dragon. gedo mazo with 7 biju and soul dragon can wipe out the edo army and the others. the perfect susanoo is incridibly strong and is compared to one iju but gedo mazo is = seven bijus + soul draon. one roar can wipe out the entry sorrounding. gedo mazo alone. and this is gedo mazo + third sage of the six paths.
you mean that crippled nagato ? or you mean edo nagato
 

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So it is Nagato alone in edo tensei mode? Or Nagato with his legs healed somehow? Not sure I get it xD

About Naruto, I would love to provide a long strain of evidence, but he is really changed. Go re-read the chapters of the jinchuriki fight and see how strong he has become. He can definitely match him in power, but intelligence may become his loss, though Naruto knows all his abilities, but if he doesn't let his feelings for Nagato get in the way, he will concentrate, and he wont mess up.

Minato perhaps, but we haven't seen everything from him in the manga, and from what we have seen, I can't really see him winning. He is damn intelligent, but still S/T jutsu alone wont bring him close enough to Nagato to land a blow. It's not like those Kunais are useful under terra blast..

Regarding Deidara. I don't really see any way of escaping his explosion unless you can use a reverse summoning jutsu like Sasuke did. He used Manda as a momentary shield so he had time to make the summon himself to Suigetsus scroll (if I remember correctly) that explosion was just too huge, and there is no way nagato could block it with a shield. And Deidara has proven to be able to cast it even with no chakra left. People generally underestimate Deidara. He is imo easily top 10, and he can beat most shinobi that doesn't have sharingan. His nanobombs can't be seen without sharingan (possibly byakugan), and his bombs are very useful to keep enemies busy. Unless you somehow are lucky enough to infuse your body with lightning during the nano bombs, but I mean that is all a coincidence then, unless you are some sick raikage with perma lightning through your body, but then again ABC logic wont work :)
Naruto yes has extreme power but its all do to overflowing chakra which nagato will absorb to make him strong, every attack naruto does is based on chakra an wont work because of preta path, thats all there is to it

Minato has a good chance because unlike most he can escape any attack at anytime and he extremely smart. An he could beat planetary devastation because he can send it somewhere else. Nagato an Minato would be a good fight

An deidara top 10? Come on, an nagato's rinnegan can see the bombs an the explosion just like sharingan, not to mention nagato's a sensor type. An i believe he can cancel the explosion with an explosion of his own. An if sasuke can get away from it...nagato can.
 

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If nagato knew what obito knows he would've been dead. Obito didnt only keep secrets from itachi too you know.
Konan was suprise to find out tobi had senju dna
Well I know that, but I just said that Nagato also knew that Obito knew about how he was using the 6 paths.
 

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Naruto had a chakra cloak between hima an his actually body an on the next panel he had extra arms to hold his soul...can u say the same for tobi? An if tobi waps nagato away his hand goes with him so there wont be a tug a war the soul will just go with him
does not matter if cloaked are not obito is coaked in senju dna? beside if we go with your logic of him missing an arm obito wins with a missing arm correct? than again obito can use the same techs as nagato
 

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Sage mode chakra>petra path/thread.
Oh yea cause nagato can only use preta path smh lmfaoo sage mode couldnt beat nagato if he had cancer, aids, the common cold, was chokin on a fly, just got all F's on his report card and his being yelled at on the phone by his mom, an got shot 9 times like 50 cent...
 

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does not matter if cloaked are not obito is coaked in senju dna? beside if we go with your logic of him missing an arm obito wins with a missing arm correct? than again obito can use the same techs as nagato
No im saying if they both touch each other an nagato uses human path an tobi warps nagato, when nagato leaves to that other dimension the hand he has on tobi will go with it an so will tobi's soul so that would be a tie.

Can tobi use the same tec? He hasnt shown any, his paths didnt show any, he could of used preta path to save him from naruto but didnt. He only has one eye, im not sure he has those paths...
 

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Naruto yes has extreme power but its all do to overflowing chakra which nagato will absorb to make him strong, every attack naruto does is based on chakra an wont work because of preta path, thats all there is to it

Minato has a good chance because unlike most he can escape any attack at anytime and he extremely smart. An he could beat planetary devastation because he can send it somewhere else. Nagato an Minato would be a good fight

An deidara top 10? Come on, an nagato's rinnegan can see the bombs an the explosion just like sharingan, not to mention nagato's a sensor type. An i believe he can cancel the explosion with an explosion of his own. An if sasuke can get away from it...nagato can.
Well mate you obviously are underestimating Naruto on a tajutsu level. His increased movement speed will easily allow him to make a fatal hit on Nagato - even with the 5 seconds. The kuybi already proved it could withstand his push to some degree. Imagine it with cooperation with naruto + 9 tails, can prove it like np, perhaps tomorrow if u insist :)

Regarding Dediara I said using ABC logic, which you can't, but I am also partly Deidara fan, so you shouldn't take what I say for anything really. Not that I'm a fanboy, but I would try to make anything possible regarding him. But he also has a lot of possibilities in many types of fights. However, I never said Nagato couldn't do anything about the nanobombs. I just said that Nagato couldn't do anything about the self-destruct. Your the one who wanted manga proof right? But you cannot prove how Nagato escapes it with the manga, so really in the end it will be a tie :) fanboy arguments or not, Deidara can tie most opponents that cannot use S/T jutsu or that hasn't prepared a S/T jutsu, since most shinobi can use the basic summoning jutsu at some point given that they have it prepared, but why would Nagato have that in a "versus thread" :) he wouldn't so it'd be a tie U_U
 
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