Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

uchiha goku · May 6, 2012

Use common sense . itachi's better .

TheGr8Uchiha · May 6, 2012

Owarij said:
Yea because jiraya is going to get 8 minutes to get into sage mode

you people amaze me with this sm talk

i've never said itachi can paralyze ma and pa, stop putting words into my mouth..

1) Jiraya is not getting into sage mode
2) Jiraya is dieing in the beginning from amaterasu or tsukyomi, choose 1
3) If jiraya is in sage mode, ma and pa STILL can't counter tsukyomi

Agreed.

Frikid · May 6, 2012

itachi's tsukiyomi lasts one second only.

jiraiya will be defeated before ma and pa even realise that jiraiya is caught in the tsukiyomi.

Bogard · May 6, 2012

Owarij said:
Yea because jiraya is going to get 8 minutes to get into sage mode

you people amaze me with this sm talk

i've never said itachi can paralyze ma and pa, stop putting words into my mouth..

1) Jiraya is not getting into sage mode
2) Jiraya is dieing in the beginning from amaterasu or tsukyomi, choose 1
3) If jiraya is in sage mode, ma and pa STILL can't counter tsukyomi

1) Why do you think Jiraya can't get into sage mode?
- If he has time to prepare the fight, before fighting Itachi, he can simply decide to summon Pa and Ma somewhere else and come.
- If he doesn't have time, he can use his toad to enter into another dimension a do the job there, like he can still retreat and come back when he is already in SM like he did here:

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He has a lot of possibilities.
- Also i think Jiraya can use SM without Pa and Ma. You can see him here in SM without Pa and Ma on his shoulders:

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If he had to summon them against Pain it was only cuz with them he can have an unlimited SM.

2) I doubt Amaterasu will work cuz he has already shown in part1 that he can seal the flames. So unless it's a surprise attack, he will be prepared for it. Tsukiyomi can work though if he is not in SM.

3) Why? Like i've said they send him unlimited sennin mode chakra. That's why they must stay without moving a lot. So his chakra is always perturbated.

xxSAGExx · May 6, 2012

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You should probably type how Jiraiya breaks out of Tsukuyomi in the OP. It's not like regular genjutsu and a regular partner method wouldn't work. We've been given reason to believe not even Bee w/ his Bijuu can break the Tsukuyomi Itachi uses (not base genjutsu)

Jiraiya can easily keep his eyes close an fight using his sensory ability like how Naruto did against he 3rd Raikage. Also you don't understand how Tsukuyomi works, I made a thread explaining it awhile ago. It is not in fact instant to the one it's casted on but to those it's not casted on. Ex: Kakashi was in Tsukuyomi for the 3 days while to his team only a second or 2 have past. Ma and Pa (like Bijuus) are connected to the ninja's chakra, ys it's different for Bijuus but Ma and Pa should be able to do it (A theory here).

Raito said:
Ehm, A combined his Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 with his Shunshin no Jutsu, he was to fast for Sasukes sight..look how Amaterasu instantly appears before the Raikage, but he's too fast for Sasukes sight. This isn't a comparison to Jiraiya.

Itachi would beat Jiraiya in his Senninmode imo, but since he needs about 5 Minutes to reach him, it would be a fight single Jiraiya against Itachi with his abilities, intellect, Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan.

Clearly obvious Itachi is > Jiraiya. I mean Jiraiya is a Sannin like Orochimaru and lost against him. Itachi defeated Orochimaru with mere Genjutsus. Itachi is one of the most dangerous opponents because not only he uses excellent and strong Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, he uses powerful Genjutsus which affect the opponents mind - the humans weakest spot.

Sasuke had his MS active, he could see A but he wasn't fast enough to react to his speed and needed to keep Sasunoo up for protection. It's harder for Sasuke to see movements that are fast and always changing directions but he can see linear movements. Both Itachi and Jiraiya has powerful jutsus but Jiraiya's jutsus are further powered up from Sage chakra and Itachi can't see this chakra at all because you have to be trained or have some special ability to see it. Pain's Rinnegan couldn't see it and Naruto killed one body from this advantage. If Jiraiya's student didn't know about it then neither will Itachi.

Itachi's vision will be clouded with Ma toad's dust cloud. Itachi still suffers from his disease so going all out will only weaken him faster plus going blind.

Prince Charles said:
i will now in full detail of each character's abilities,and show you people why jirayia beats itachi.

~OFFENSIVE ATTACKS/NINJUTSU~

ITACHI"S AMATASRSU

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Shown right here itachi is manipulating his amatarasu and chasing it with sasuke, you clearly see sasuke outrunning it while in curse mark mode.

now considering sage mode increases one's speed jman would have no problem out running it.

Another way for jman to stop amatarsu is he needle hair ninjutsu.

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jman shown here is spitting up oil to wrap konan

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shown right here jman has the ability to manipulate his hair into needles or stretch it to long distances, if itachi starts to chase or manipulate ameratsu jman can easily cover himself in his hair and shed off the burned parts.

SEALING amatarsu~

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shown right here jman is able to seal amatarsu into a scroll IMO. if itachi tries to surround jman with amatrasu like this shown here :

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jman will easily seal it before you say you think itachi will jsut stand by and let him seal it, ma and pa can easily fend off itachi while jman is forming a seal but ma and pa are another subject for later.
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~ITACHI'S GENJUTSU~
~WAYS TO COUNTER GENJUTSU~

The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (幻術解, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. In addition, tailed beasts can break their jinchūriki out of genjutsu in a similar fashion if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case.

if you read in the spoiler^^^ it saids one way to counter a genjutsu is to for another person or being to apply a sudden surge of chakra into the person thats in the genjutsu.

ma and pa can easily break jman out of a genjutsu at ease.

shown right here~ killer bee is breaking out of sasuke's genjutsu because of his tailed beasts the rule applys to ma and pa too.

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bee breaks out right here:

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same rules apply to ma and pa which can break jman out of genjutsu.
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~ITACHI'S SUSSANO~

considering itachi's is basically invincible through the front, its weak spot should be around the back since its not a 360 degree defense.

jman can easily use food cart destroyer (WHICH MAY) break itachi's sussano from the upper front, but this is just speculation that food cart destroyer can smash it. food cart destroyer being shown here~

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~KATON~

IMO, most likely their katon will clash

jman is shown using katon against konan right here~

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this is a perfect way to counter itachi's katon and with the help of gamabunta shown here-

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~DEFENSIVENESS~ IMO i will admit jman's attacks to the font of itachi's will be utterly useless considering he has yata mirror~

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but jirayia has pretty good defensives and escape routes.
jman can easily use hiding in a toad technique to escape itachi's katon or other long distances attacks. technique shown here~

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Another counter and most likely instant win for jman would be his abilitly to turn his opponents into FROGS yes i know your probably thinking im trolling but bere with me jman has the ability to turn people into frogs.

jman turning someone into a frog right here~

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let me break down the technique for you, basically to use this technique the user must lay their land on the forehead of the victim and think of a mental image of a frog in their head and the victim is INSTANTLY turned into a frog. more info on this technique right here if you wanna read it
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Another one of jman's techniques that i would like to discuss would be his toad flatness-shadow manipulation technique.

heres the technique being used~

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shown right here you witness jman coming out from under the ground into a shadowy form from one of pains allies.

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if jirayia can catch itachi off guard or get close to him he can easily control his shadow, let me break down the technique for you.

Basically jman becomes one with the victims shadow and the victim loses control over their body and mind for temporarily itachi has no counter for this move.
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~ITACHI"S SUSSANO OFFENSIVES~

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IMO i admit avoiding itachis attacks like this shown above^^ will be no easy task but i believe he can pull it off.

he can counter itachi's sussano with swamp of the underworld.

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shown right here jman is engulfing orochimaru's snakes in a chakra mud based swamp and their basically trapped IMO.

i admit itachi can just deactivate sussano but he would likely be stuck in the mud considering its no ordrinary mud.
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Another counter for itachi's sussano would be one of jman barrier techniques called TOAD GOURD PRISON

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heres the technique being used on one of the pain body's. he eventually dies by the acid lake WHICH IS STATED TO DISSOLVE anything.
itachi's sussano wont be able to withstand the acid and will dissolve leaving itachi to fall victim to the acid as well.
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jman can also use wild lion's Mane to get ahold of sussano and wrap it thus making it unable to move.

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will admit itachi's quick thinking and analyzing would be a thread for jman and his sealing sword would be a instant ko if he managed to hit jiraiya but jman has too many quick escapes and quick counters for itachi.
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if they decide to go into a taijutsu battle jman WILL BE the victor because of frog kata.

sage mode increases one strength,power,reflexes,speed,and taijutsu.

shown right here naruto is using frog kata~

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IMO while using frog kata in sage mode the user doesnt have to make contact to make a direct hit. jman has the same feats.
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MA and MA
IMO itachis sussano cannot withstand frog stand well atleast in the back
( DAMN YATA MIRROR ) this basically has the same effect as shinri tensei ma and pa can send back itachi by using frog song.

MA AND PA"S SOUND GENJUTSU
IMO even tho itachi has the ability to break out of genjutsu its still speculation that he would be able to break out of frog sound genjutsu.

ma and can use demonic illusion: toad confrontation chant on itachi and HE WILL BE INSTANTLY CAUGHT IN It unless he doesnt have ears

let me break down this genjutsu for you, Inside the genjutsu world, the targets are surrounded from all sides by four toad samurai, with their mind and body completely sealed between their hands in an illusionary cube of water. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order.

IMO unless itachi can break out this genjutsu he is done for IMO . heres the technique in action

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your thoughts on this subject? feel free to debate,argue against me, call me a turd,+rep me, or agree, anthing you like.

and you probably didnt read the whole thing

Actually all Jiraiya has to do is make the needed hand signs and place his hand on the victim to turn them into a frog. You should have also note that Jiraiya was at 30% of his power when he used swamp of the underworld and called it small. This mean at full strenght (base) it would be to bg for Itachi or another enemy can't escape unless they can fly. Frog song effects the ears and not the eyes so the sharingan would be useless just like the rinnegan. Jiraiya can easily fight using his SM sensory ability to see (eyes close) and not be affected by genjutsus. Ma Toad can use dust cloud to weaken Itachi's vision and he has earth jutsus that he can use to block Amaterasu (he never showed it but he's not going to have just one strong earth jutsu).

~Uzumaki~ · May 6, 2012

If Jiraiya is fighting Itachi, he would have the sense to avoid eye contact or at least have an ally with him when he does, also Jiraiya is a long range fighter and that fact along eliminates eye contact genjutsu as it would be much easier not to focus on Itachi's eyes from like 20 metres away and Jiraiya has all ranges attacks so it won't hamper him, Swamp of the Underworld can't be countered by Itachi(you can't genjutsu a swamp and the weight of Susanoo will be his downfall), that's a fact and the only technique Itachi has that can stop Jiraiya from performing the technique takes too long to activate as used by Itachi(Amaterasu) so Jiraiya wins...

Bogard · May 6, 2012

I see Jiraya and Itachi equal. I think Kishimoto had already tried to show us that.

Owarij · May 6, 2012

If Jiraiya is fighting Itachi, he would have the sense to avoid eye contact or at least have an ally with him when he does,

Total and absolute conjecture

Tsunade had to be TOLD by oonoki not to look at Madara's eyes

Orochimaru looked at itachi's eyes

Two of the three sannin have already shown to not care, and you're telling me by some magic and wishful thinking jiraya won't look? no , absolutely not

I can list SO many jounin + ninja who all looked into sharingans.. Jounins, anbu, even kage's , try me
Then post the logical reason to why Jiraya will not look into his eyes

and jiraya is a long range fiighter? he has katon etc but he still engages in taijutsu , and even with the katon it's still medium range...
Kakashi is a long range fighter also

did that stop his eye contact?

Deidara is a long range fighter, itachi got him, sasuke got him

really bad point :/

Cerox0 · May 6, 2012

Turson said:
Jiraiya supporters are yet to come up with some logical reasons why he would win. As for now, nobody countered my post from second page.

Look below.

Turson said:
Jiraiya is not fast enough to escape from Sharingan eyesight, Amaterasu is deadly for him. Thats first thing.

Second, Itachi can take control over any summon with Sharingan. Him taking control over Ma or Pa, who are on Jiraiyas arms, means that perv is dead.

Third, Jiraiya had great problems with activating SM while fighting Animal path alone, it takes that much time. Itachis battle capacity >>> Animal path battle capacity.

He doesn't need to be fast enough. Incase anyone hasn't noticed Jiraiya was never about speed, he was more of a defenseive/ offensive ninja. Let's just say Itachi does look at him and get him with Ameterasu, right before he starts burning (because just by seeing the MS used on On Itachi's left eye) Jiraiya comes up with a counter and can either Seal it like he did in Part 1, Use Needle Jizo to use it as an Extension and get away from the flames and then cut the extra hair off, Hiding in a toad technique, etc.

Tell me where it says in the manga "Itachi can take over any summon". If you mean Genjutsu then all Jiraiya and the frogs have to do is keep breaking each other's disrupted chakra. Don't tell me he can't break out of Tsukyome because sasuke was able to do it out of willpower, not his sharingan.

Jiraiya was very cautious and was trying to learn about Nagato, thus making it harder for him to go SM. Seeing as he knew everything about Itachi except Susanoo (and even then maybe he probably did) I'm more then positive The Toad Sage Sannin would have been able to go sm no problem.

Owarij · May 6, 2012

Cerox0 said:
Look below.

He doesn't need to be fast enough. Incase anyone hasn't noticed Jiraiya was never about speed, he was more of a defenseive/ offensive ninja. Let's just say Itachi does look at him and get him with Ameterasu, right before he starts burning (because just by seeing the MS used on On Itachi's left eye) Jiraiya comes up with a counter and can either Seal it like he did in Part 1, Use Needle Jizo to use it as an Extension and get away from the flames and then cut the extra hair off, Hiding in a toad technique, etc.

Tell me where it says in the manga "Itachi can take over any summon". If you mean Genjutsu then all Jiraiya and the frogs have to do is keep breaking each other's disrupted chakra. Don't tell me he can't break out of Tsukyome because sasuke was able to do it out of willpower, not his sharingan.

Jiraiya was very cautious and was trying to learn about Nagato, thus making it harder for him to go SM. Seeing as he knew everything about Itachi except Susanoo (and even then maybe he probably did) I'm more then positive The Toad Sage Sannin would have been able to go sm no problem.

Good seal amaterasu while it's on him, yea nice
needle jizo will totally get it off his skin also yup

Cerox0 · May 6, 2012

Owarij said:
Good seal amaterasu while it's on him, yea nice
needle jizo will totally get it off his skin also yup

Raikage was talking to Gaara while he had his left arm burning.
Needle Jizo covers his whole body protecting him from ameterasu.

Yeah

Shame · May 6, 2012

It's like naruto said him and sasuke would both die if they fought I feel the same about jiraiya and Itachi.

Owarij · May 6, 2012

Cerox0 said:
Raikage was talking to Gaara while he had his left arm burning.
Needle Jizo covers his whole body protecting him from ameterasu.

Yeah

The majority of amaterasu landed on raikage's giant Gold bracelet.. go reread tha fight.. Gold is a conductor of heat..

amaterasu was hot enough to spread on a bijuu's body and make it scream in pain...

He has to use needle jizo before being hit firstly. the hair surrounds him.. if amaterasu is on him it does NOTHING

huzaifa555 · May 6, 2012

Tsukuymio can only be breaken by perfect jinchurikis and sharigan users we'v seen soo far without outside help.

Owarij · May 6, 2012

huzaifa555 said:
Tsukuymio can only be breaken by perfect jinchurikis and sharigan users we'v seen soo far without outside help.

Sasuke's tsukyomi and anyone else's tsukyomi

as itachi, kakashi and databook says, itachi's tsukyomi can only be beated by an uchiha, and a VERY skileld uchiha at that...

In kakashi's words, the jutsu affects you in an instant, there is no cancellation of it

Cerox0 · May 6, 2012

Owarij said:
The majority of amaterasu landed on raikage's giant Gold bracelet.. go reread tha fight.. Gold is a conductor of heat..

amaterasu was hot enough to spread on a bijuu's body and make it scream in pain...

He has to use needle jizo before being hit firstly. the hair surrounds him.. if amaterasu is on him it does NOTHING

The Flames were still on him (Just because Gold conducted it doesn't mean he didn't feel anything after all it is a flame that burns through anything right?). Jiraiya had a crushed throat, missing left arm and 6 rods in his back and was still able to make a Giant Rasengan on Pain so with that kind of willpower I'm sure he can manage a 4-5 second seal on ameterasu.

Did you read where I said he knows ameterasu is coming by seeing Itachi's left eye activating, THUS making a counter and already having needle jizo?

Turson · May 6, 2012

Jiraiya comes up with a counter and can either Seal it like he did in Part 1

To seal Amaterasu Jiraiya had to:
1. Pull out the scroll
2. Write sealing formula on it
3. Make handseal
4. Touch the ground with his hand

Doing something like that during battle is impossible.

Use Needle Jizo to use it as an Extension and get away from the flames and then cut the extra hair off

How? With kunai? His head would be burning before he would manage to do that.

Hiding in a toad technique, etc.

Not enough time for that also.

Tell me where it says in the manga "Itachi can take over any summon".

[Eye power]
The main reason why the "Sharingan" was feared by everyone, including the inhabitants of the village, is the power hidden in those eyes, able to subdue even "bijuu". Sasuke, who is rapidly mastering his skills as an Uchiha, is also gradually awakening to that cursed power.

(balloons: "Those eyes... How did you dare... control me... with those eyes...!")
The ultimate power of the "Sharingan", that once could tame even the "Kyuubi". A portion of it is visible in Sasuke when he is able to control Manda.

(balloons: "Now I can see it... So this was your mysterious power....")
Sasuke's eye power is even able to seize the Kyuubi that dwells in Naruto's body!! Looking at that ominous strength, the Kyuubi is reminded of Madara Uchiha...

That comes from Databook. Note, that controlling powers of MS are far greater than 3-tomoe Sharingan.

If you mean Genjutsu then all Jiraiya and the frogs have to do is keep breaking each other's disrupted chakra.

After taking control over Ma or Pa on Jiraiyas arms perv wouldnt have even time for react. Decapitating him would take less than one second.

Don't tell me he can't break out of Tsukyome because sasuke was able to do it out of willpower, not his sharingan.

Manga makes it clear: only Uchiha with Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi. If Kakashi with Sharingan was helpless, Jiraiya would be only in much worse position.

Jiraiya was very cautious and was trying to learn about Nagato, thus making it harder for him to go SM.

And he wouldnt be very cautius around Itachi? He knows nearly nothing about him. All he has seen was some Taijutsu, Genjutsu and black flames. He dont even know how Amaterasu works.

Owarij · May 6, 2012

Cerox0 said:
The Flames were still on him (Just because Gold conducted it doesn't mean he didn't feel anything after all it is a flame that burns through anything right?). Jiraiya had a crushed throat, missing left arm and 6 rods in his back and was still able to make a Giant Rasengan on Pain so with that kind of willpower I'm sure he can manage a 4-5 second seal on ameterasu.

Did you read where I said he knows ameterasu is coming by seeing Itachi's left eye activating, THUS making a counter and already having needle jizo?

EH? Jiraya has never seen amaterasu being cast.. he doesn't know the bleeding indicates amaterasu is being used..
In part 1 he didn't even know wtf the flames were... try again?

and yea? pull some paper from his back, while his entire body and face is set on fire?

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like if paper isn't flammable -_-

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Not to mention he'd have to put the paper on the ground,WRITE The formula or w.e on the paper, then activate his little handseals :|

And he wouldnt be very cautius around Itachi? He knows nearly nothing about him. All he has seen was some Taijutsu, Genjutsu and black flames. He dont even know how Amaterasu works.

Jiraiya comes up with a counter and can either Seal it like he did in Part 1
To seal Amaterasu Jiraiya had to:
1. Pull out the scroll
2. Write sealing formula on it
3. Make handseal
4. Touch the ground with his hand

Doing something like that during battle is impossible.

we have a smart cookie here rep+

Thewhiteflash · May 6, 2012

Prince Charles said:
i will now in full detail of each character's abilities,and show you people why jirayia beats itachi.

~OFFENSIVE ATTACKS/NINJUTSU~

ITACHI"S AMATASRSU

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Shown right here itachi is manipulating his amatarasu and chasing it with sasuke, you clearly see sasuke outrunning it while in curse mark mode.

now considering sage mode increases one's speed jman would have no problem out running it.

Another way for jman to stop amatarsu is he needle hair ninjutsu.

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jman shown here is spitting up oil to wrap konan

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shown right here jman has the ability to manipulate his hair into needles or stretch it to long distances, if itachi starts to chase or manipulate ameratsu jman can easily cover himself in his hair and shed off the burned parts.

SEALING amatarsu~

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shown right here jman is able to seal amatarsu into a scroll IMO. if itachi tries to surround jman with amatrasu like this shown here :

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jman will easily seal it before you say you think itachi will jsut stand by and let him seal it, ma and pa can easily fend off itachi while jman is forming a seal but ma and pa are another subject for later.
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~ITACHI'S GENJUTSU~
~WAYS TO COUNTER GENJUTSU~

The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (幻術解, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. In addition, tailed beasts can break their jinchūriki out of genjutsu in a similar fashion if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case.

if you read in the spoiler^^^ it saids one way to counter a genjutsu is to for another person or being to apply a sudden surge of chakra into the person thats in the genjutsu.

ma and pa can easily break jman out of a genjutsu at ease.

shown right here~ killer bee is breaking out of sasuke's genjutsu because of his tailed beasts the rule applys to ma and pa too.

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bee breaks out right here:

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same rules apply to ma and pa which can break jman out of genjutsu.
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~ITACHI'S SUSSANO~

considering itachi's is basically invincible through the front, its weak spot should be around the back since its not a 360 degree defense.

jman can easily use food cart destroyer (WHICH MAY) break itachi's sussano from the upper front, but this is just speculation that food cart destroyer can smash it. food cart destroyer being shown here~

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~KATON~

IMO, most likely their katon will clash

jman is shown using katon against konan right here~

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this is a perfect way to counter itachi's katon and with the help of gamabunta shown here-

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~DEFENSIVENESS~ IMO i will admit jman's attacks to the font of itachi's will be utterly useless considering he has yata mirror~

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but jirayia has pretty good defensives and escape routes.
jman can easily use hiding in a toad technique to escape itachi's katon or other long distances attacks. technique shown here~

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Another counter and most likely instant win for jman would be his abilitly to turn his opponents into FROGS yes i know your probably thinking im trolling but bere with me jman has the ability to turn people into frogs.

jman turning someone into a frog right here~

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let me break down the technique for you, basically to use this technique the user must lay their land on the forehead of the victim and think of a mental image of a frog in their head and the victim is INSTANTLY turned into a frog. more info on this technique right here if you wanna read it
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Another one of jman's techniques that i would like to discuss would be his toad flatness-shadow manipulation technique.

heres the technique being used~

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shown right here you witness jman coming out from under the ground into a shadowy form from one of pains allies.

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if jirayia can catch itachi off guard or get close to him he can easily control his shadow, let me break down the technique for you.

Basically jman becomes one with the victims shadow and the victim loses control over their body and mind for temporarily itachi has no counter for this move.
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~ITACHI"S SUSSANO OFFENSIVES~

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IMO i admit avoiding itachis attacks like this shown above^^ will be no easy task but i believe he can pull it off.

he can counter itachi's sussano with swamp of the underworld.

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shown right here jman is engulfing orochimaru's snakes in a chakra mud based swamp and their basically trapped IMO.

i admit itachi can just deactivate sussano but he would likely be stuck in the mud considering its no ordrinary mud.
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Another counter for itachi's sussano would be one of jman barrier techniques called TOAD GOURD PRISON

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heres the technique being used on one of the pain body's. he eventually dies by the acid lake WHICH IS STATED TO DISSOLVE anything.
itachi's sussano wont be able to withstand the acid and will dissolve leaving itachi to fall victim to the acid as well.
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jman can also use wild lion's Mane to get ahold of sussano and wrap it thus making it unable to move.

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will admit itachi's quick thinking and analyzing would be a thread for jman and his sealing sword would be a instant ko if he managed to hit jiraiya but jman has too many quick escapes and quick counters for itachi.
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if they decide to go into a taijutsu battle jman WILL BE the victor because of frog kata.

sage mode increases one strength,power,reflexes,speed,and taijutsu.

shown right here naruto is using frog kata~

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IMO while using frog kata in sage mode the user doesnt have to make contact to make a direct hit. jman has the same feats.
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MA and MA
IMO itachis sussano cannot withstand frog stand well atleast in the back
( DAMN YATA MIRROR ) this basically has the same effect as shinri tensei ma and pa can send back itachi by using frog song.

MA AND PA"S SOUND GENJUTSU
IMO even tho itachi has the ability to break out of genjutsu its still speculation that he would be able to break out of frog sound genjutsu.

ma and can use demonic illusion: toad confrontation chant on itachi and HE WILL BE INSTANTLY CAUGHT IN It unless he doesnt have ears

let me break down this genjutsu for you, Inside the genjutsu world, the targets are surrounded from all sides by four toad samurai, with their mind and body completely sealed between their hands in an illusionary cube of water. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order.

IMO unless itachi can break out this genjutsu he is done for IMO . heres the technique in action

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your thoughts on this subject? feel free to debate,argue against me, call me a turd,+rep me, or agree, anthing you like.

and you probably didnt read the whole thing

Ofcourse if itachi's genjutsu fails he's doomed
but guess what itachi's is a master in genjutsu.
i can give you the guarantee that jman will just lose.

Cerox0 · May 6, 2012

Turson said:
To seal Amaterasu Jiraiya had to:
1. Pull out the scroll
2. Write sealing formula on it
3. Make handseal
4. Touch the ground with his hand

Doing something like that during battle is impossible.

How? With kunai? His head would be burning before he would manage to do that.

Not enough time for that also.

That comes from Databook. Note, that controlling powers of MS are far greater than 3-tomoe Sharingan.

After taking control over Ma or Pa on Jiraiyas arms perv wouldnt have even time for react. Decapitating him would take less than one second.

Manga makes it clear: only Uchiha with Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi. If Kakashi with Sharingan was helpless, Jiraiya would be only in much worse position.

And he wouldnt be very cautius around Itachi? He knows nearly nothing about him. All he has seen was some Taijutsu, Genjutsu and black flames. He dont even know how Amaterasu works.

1. That's like saying using a summoning jutsu during battle is impossible which has been done many times. 3 Sannin way battle, Naruto vs Gaara, etc.

2. Regardless of Tsukuyomi's abilities the user Himself Itachi knew it would both take him and Kisame to die with Jiraiya. You uchiha fans are underestimating what the toad sage can do. If kabuto was able to go sm against both Uchiha bros and render their Genjutsu useless what makes you think sm Jiraiya can't?

Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

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