Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

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Prince Charles

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i will now in full detail of each character's abilities,and show you people why jirayia beats itachi.

~OFFENSIVE ATTACKS/NINJUTSU~

ITACHI"S AMATASRSU

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Shown right here itachi is manipulating his amatarasu and chasing it with sasuke, you clearly see sasuke outrunning it while in curse mark mode.

now considering sage mode increases one's speed jman would have no problem out running it.

Another way for jman to stop amatarsu is he needle hair ninjutsu.
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jman shown here is spitting up oil to wrap konan

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shown right here jman has the ability to manipulate his hair into needles or stretch it to long distances, if itachi starts to chase or manipulate ameratsu jman can easily cover himself in his hair and shed off the burned parts.

SEALING amatarsu~
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shown right here jman is able to seal amatarsu into a scroll IMO. if itachi tries to surround jman with amatrasu like this shown here :
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jman will easily seal it before you say you think itachi will jsut stand by and let him seal it, ma and pa can easily fend off itachi while jman is forming a seal but ma and pa are another subject for later.
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~ITACHI'S GENJUTSU~
~WAYS TO COUNTER GENJUTSU~

The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (幻術解, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. In addition, tailed beasts can break their jinchūriki out of genjutsu in a similar fashion if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case.

if you read in the spoiler^^^ it saids one way to counter a genjutsu is to for another person or being to apply a sudden surge of chakra into the person thats in the genjutsu.

ma and pa can easily break jman out of a genjutsu at ease.

shown right here~ killer bee is breaking out of sasuke's genjutsu because of his tailed beasts the rule applys to ma and pa too.
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bee breaks out right here:
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same rules apply to ma and pa which can break jman out of genjutsu.
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~ITACHI'S SUSSANO~

considering itachi's is basically invincible through the front, its weak spot should be around the back since its not a 360 degree defense.

jman can easily use food cart destroyer (WHICH MAY) break itachi's sussano from the upper front, but this is just speculation that food cart destroyer can smash it. food cart destroyer being shown here~
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~KATON~

IMO, most likely their katon will clash

jman is shown using katon against konan right here~
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this is a perfect way to counter itachi's katon and with the help of gamabunta shown here-
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~DEFENSIVENESS~ IMO i will admit jman's attacks to the font of itachi's will be utterly useless considering he has yata mirror~
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but jirayia has pretty good defensives and escape routes.
jman can easily use hiding in a toad technique to escape itachi's katon or other long distances attacks. technique shown here~
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Another counter and most likely instant win for jman would be his abilitly to turn his opponents into FROGS yes i know your probably thinking im trolling but bere with me jman has the ability to turn people into frogs.

jman turning someone into a frog right here~
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let me break down the technique for you, basically to use this technique the user must lay their land on the forehead of the victim and think of a mental image of a frog in their head and the victim is INSTANTLY turned into a frog. more info on this technique right here if you wanna read it
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Another one of jman's techniques that i would like to discuss would be his toad flatness-shadow manipulation technique.

heres the technique being used~
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shown right here you witness jman coming out from under the ground into a shadowy form from one of pains allies.



if jirayia can catch itachi off guard or get close to him he can easily control his shadow, let me break down the technique for you.

Basically jman becomes one with the victims shadow and the victim loses control over their body and mind for temporarily itachi has no counter for this move.
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~ITACHI"S SUSSANO OFFENSIVES~
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IMO i admit avoiding itachis attacks like this shown above^^ will be no easy task but i believe he can pull it off.

he can counter itachi's sussano with swamp of the underworld.
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shown right here jman is engulfing orochimaru's snakes in a chakra mud based swamp and their basically trapped IMO.

i admit itachi can just deactivate sussano but he would likely be stuck in the mud considering its no ordrinary mud.
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Another counter for itachi's sussano would be one of jman barrier techniques called TOAD GOURD PRISON

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heres the technique being used on one of the pain body's. he eventually dies by the acid lake WHICH IS STATED TO DISSOLVE anything.
itachi's sussano wont be able to withstand the acid and will dissolve leaving itachi to fall victim to the acid as well.
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jman can also use wild lion's Mane to get ahold of sussano and wrap it thus making it unable to move.
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will admit itachi's quick thinking and analyzing would be a thread for jman and his sealing sword would be a instant ko if he managed to hit jiraiya but jman has too many quick escapes and quick counters for itachi.
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if they decide to go into a taijutsu battle jman WILL BE the victor because of frog kata.

sage mode increases one strength,power,reflexes,speed,and taijutsu.

shown right here naruto is using frog kata~
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IMO while using frog kata in sage mode the user doesnt have to make contact to make a direct hit. jman has the same feats.
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MA and MA
IMO itachis sussano cannot withstand frog stand well atleast in the back
( DAMN YATA MIRROR :p ) this basically has the same effect as shinri tensei ma and pa can send back itachi by using frog song.

MA AND PA"S SOUND GENJUTSU
IMO even tho itachi has the ability to break out of genjutsu its still speculation that he would be able to break out of frog sound genjutsu.

ma and can use demonic illusion: toad confrontation chant on itachi and HE WILL BE INSTANTLY CAUGHT IN It unless he doesnt have ears:cool:

let me break down this genjutsu for you, Inside the genjutsu world, the targets are surrounded from all sides by four toad samurai, with their mind and body completely sealed between their hands in an illusionary cube of water. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order.

IMO unless itachi can break out this genjutsu he is done for IMO . heres the technique in action
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your thoughts on this subject? feel free to debate,argue against me, call me a turd,+rep me, or agree, anthing you like. :D

and you probably didnt read the whole thing :cool:
 

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I agree... as long as J-man is not hit by Tsukuyomi. If he is, he is done
 

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itachi is not stupid like konan he would finish the fight with med diff
 

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wow...you went in....but yea,j-man can take him,if anything itachi is on J-MAN'S level....
 

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First flaw, Itachi didn't intend to kill Sasuke, he wanted to reach his limit earlier. You can't escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, this is bullshit. As long as you can't escape from the Sharingans sight, he can hit you with a single glance.

I'm tired now, will enlighten you tomorrow if I have the time..

But Itachi is clearly stronger, your post wasn't needed :*
 
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First flaw, Itachi didn't intend to kill Sasuke, he wanted to reach his limit earlier. You can't escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, this is bullshit. As long as you can't escape from the Sharingans sight, he can hit you with a single glance.

trololololo raikage disagrees

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good evidence but itachi could pull it off if he was determined enough xd
 

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I see them equal, and i think even for Kishimoto they are equal. Besides the fact, Itachi feared him in part1 when he said "even if we fight together(Itachi+Kisame) the most we could do is to die with him", in the scenario Kishi wanted intentionally that they die at the same moment, and even in the databook they have the same points.
 

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I actually read this all lol His genjutsu could be countered by Ma and Pa although im sure Jman could outun Amateseru look how he ran vs Pain Summon he should of become a athelete he wasnt even in sage mode.Jiraya has nothing that would break his susanoo so unless Jiraya can Outlast him Itachi would win.
 
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You should probably type how Jiraiya breaks out of Tsukuyomi in the OP. It's not like regular genjutsu and a regular partner method wouldn't work. We've been given reason to believe not even Bee w/ his Bijuu can break the Tsukuyomi Itachi uses (not base genjutsu)
 

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Ehm, A combined his Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 with his Shunshin no Jutsu, he was to fast for Sasukes sight..look how Amaterasu instantly appears before the Raikage, but he's too fast for Sasukes sight. This isn't a comparison to Jiraiya.

Itachi would beat Jiraiya in his Senninmode imo, but since he needs about 5 Minutes to reach him, it would be a fight single Jiraiya against Itachi with his abilities, intellect, Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan.

Clearly obvious Itachi is > Jiraiya. I mean Jiraiya is a Sannin like Orochimaru and lost against him. Itachi defeated Orochimaru with mere Genjutsus. Itachi is one of the most dangerous opponents because not only he uses excellent and strong Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, he uses powerful Genjutsus which affect the opponents mind - the humans weakest spot.
 

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First flaw, Itachi didn't intend to kill Sasuke, he wanted to reach his limit earlier. You can't escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, this is bullshit. As long as you can't escape from the Sharingans sight, he can hit you with a single glance.

I'm tired now, will enlighten you tomorrow if I have the time..

But Itachi is clearly stronger, your post wasn't needed :*
i agree with Raito
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eh, are you comparing 2nd Fastest man alive's speed to speed of SM Jiraya? now who's the troll
 

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itachi fan boys lol no matter what will never accept an L.in the lost column even if he just backed up his claim with facts. i believe jman could win as itachi has so bluntly stated but itachi also has a chance to win. They are two powerful ninja would be a good fight though
 

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no itachi>>>j-man tired of this it´s really obvious
 

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You should probably type how Jiraiya breaks out of Tsukuyomi in the OP. It's not like regular genjutsu and a regular partner method wouldn't work. We've been given reason to believe not even Bee w/ his Bijuu can break the Tsukuyomi Itachi uses (not base genjutsu)

Jiraiya's speed is nothing compared to V2 Raikage.

Ehm, A combined his Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 with his Shunshin no Jutsu, he was to fast for Sasukes sight..look how Amaterasu instantly appears before the Raikage, but he's too fast for Sasukes sight. This isn't a comparison to Jiraiya.

Itachi would beat Jiraiya in his Senninmode imo, but since he needs about 5 Minutes to reach him, it would be a fight single Jiraiya against Itachi with his abilities, intellect, Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan.

Clearly obvious Itachi is > Jiraiya. I mean Jiraiya is a Sannin like Orochimaru and lost against him. Itachi defeated Orochimaru with mere Genjutsus. Itachi is one of the most dangerous opponents because not only he uses excellent and strong Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, he uses powerful Genjutsus which affect the opponents mind - the humans weakest spot.

@drakengard IMO a 3 tomeo sharigan was able to break out of it.

@hatake most likely true

@ Raito i was trying to say raikage can dodge it.

just because orochimaru doesnt mean he can beat jman that doesnt work.

and i g2g my mom wants to go on facebook. :mad:
 

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you're lucky that its 3 AM over here, otherwise i will tell you why itachi>j-man
 
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