Why is sarutobi underated so badly?

[KcMSean]

I wasn't here so that doesn't apply to me but from what I have seen here in NB Hiruzen and Tobirama are treated as fodders.

They really are treated that way, I don't understand it at all. I'm just ready for them to get to the actual fighting just so people can see that all four of the Kages are truly great warriors, and not one of them is anything close to fodder.

 

[kakashi owns all]

- hokage for a long time, under his leadership the leaf never lost any of the wars they were in
- Strongest kage out of the 3rds that means he was greater then oonoki ( very strong in his own right) + 3rd raikage ( a tank) + 3rd kazekage (strongest kazekage) + 3rd mizukage (only one we dont know about) this in and of itself is scary
- A student of 1/2ed hokage
- Power was of the level that he could have killed orochimaru "when ever he wanted" when orochimaru was in his 20's
- Mastered all 5 elements a feat only matched by nagato the sage of 6 paths and maby madara

The above are FACTS

The following is a rational theory

- he can most likely perform reanimation : reason the 2rd hokage (a leaf ninja) made it and the 3rd mastered all leaf moves therefor he is likely to have the move in his bag of tricks but would never use the sacrifice it required

 

[Trollasaur]

- hokage for a long time, under his leadership the leaf never lost any of the wars they were in
- Strongest kage out of the 3rds that means he was greater then oonoki ( very strong in his own right) + 3rd raikage ( a tank) + 3rd kazekage (strongest kazekage) + 3rd mizukage (only one we dont know about) this in and of itself is scary
- A student of 1/2ed hokage
- Power was of the level that he could have killed orochimaru "when ever he wanted" when orochimaru was in his 20's
- Mastered all 5 elements a feat only matched by nagato the sage of 6 paths and maby madara

The above are FACTS

The following is a rational theory

- he can most likely perform reanimation : reason the 2rd hokage (a leaf ninja) made it and the 3rd mastered all leaf moves therefor he is likely to have the move in his bag of tricks but would never use the sacrifice it required

The man is a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Retsu]

hell, because he's always in the back seat while the other kages shine, even tobirama simply comes off as more powerful, Hiruzen seems like an old guy that's there for the ride, Hashirama is god of shinobi when talking about heavy hitters and such, this was said of him in part 2 where the scaling is outrageous when concerning power.

Hiruzen was called god of shinobi in part 1, when pretty much everyone on there is fodder, at least when comparing them to part 2, ppl even used the substitution jutsu all the time, naruto and sasuke were some of the strongest characters by the series end with just a one tailed cloak and cm, and no one even mentions hiruzen or his abilities AT ALL. Honestly I think at least one person would make a reference to his power, if he was god of shinobi, but no one does. Even Minato has demonstrated more than enough to effectively place himself in a position higher than hiruzen, until he shows more, he battles with tsunade for 5th strongest hokage.

 

[Tormound]

I'm assuming he only knows all the jutsus within Konoha BECAUSE of his old age. Unless it was said somewhere he mastered them all at a ridiculous rate when he was young.

 

[Tormound]

- hokage for a long time, under his leadership the leaf never lost any of the wars they were in
- Strongest kage out of the 3rds that means he was greater then oonoki ( very strong in his own right) + 3rd raikage ( a tank) + 3rd kazekage (strongest kazekage) + 3rd mizukage (only one we dont know about) this in and of itself is scary
- A student of 1/2ed hokage
- Power was of the level that he could have killed orochimaru "when ever he wanted" when orochimaru was in his 20's
- Mastered all 5 elements a feat only matched by nagato the sage of 6 paths and maby madara

The above are FACTS

The following is a rational theory

- he can most likely perform reanimation : reason the 2rd hokage (a leaf ninja) made it and the 3rd mastered all leaf moves therefor he is likely to have the move in his bag of tricks but would never use the sacrifice it required

Was it said he was the greatest third kage in part 1 or 2?

 

[Trollasaur]

Was it said he was the greatest third kage in part 1 or 2?

Doesn't matter. You just can't ignore what happend in part 1

 

[3MESSIAH]

because we havent seen anything impressive from him.we saw what,good fire release,good earth release,kage shuriken technique,king enma summon,kage bunshin....

sorry to say,but with what we`ve seen might guy can kick his ass and he isnt even in top 15.

only impressive thing hiruzen got was RDS.and even with that he can only do a draw....

i wish we get to see how powerful hiruzen really is....i kind of hope he is as powerful as his hype because he just got downgraded so much...

 

[Tormound]

Doesn't matter. You just can't ignore what happend in part 1

It would matter cause if it was said in part 1 then the third Raikage wasn't even thought up then to compare, and that guys a tank.

 

[Trollasaur]

It would matter cause if it was said in part 1 then the third Raikage wasn't even thought up then to compare, and that guys a tank.

Kish isn't just gonna make plot holes like that. Kishi doesn't just say things to say them.

 

[3MESSIAH]

- hokage for a long time, under his leadership the leaf never lost any of the wars they were in
- Strongest kage out of the 3rds that means he was greater then oonoki ( very strong in his own right) + 3rd raikage ( a tank) + 3rd kazekage (strongest kazekage) + 3rd mizukage (only one we dont know about) this in and of itself is scary
- A student of 1/2ed hokage
- Power was of the level that he could have killed orochimaru "when ever he wanted" when orochimaru was in his 20's
- Mastered all 5 elements a feat only matched by nagato the sage of 6 paths and maby madara

The above are FACTS

The following is a rational theory

- he can most likely perform reanimation : reason the 2rd hokage (a leaf ninja) made it and the 3rd mastered all leaf moves therefor he is likely to have the move in his bag of tricks but would never use the sacrifice it required

Can you provide proof for hiruzen mastering all 5 elements or did you just conclude this by the statement that he mastered all the jutsus in konoha village?

i really want hiruzen to be able to do that but i dont think it`s the case

 

[Tormound]

Kish isn't just gonna make plot holes like that. Kishi doesn't just say things to say them.

Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage in part 1.... Well look what happened now...

 

[Trollasaur]

Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage in part 1.... Well look what happened now...

What has happend? They made Hashirama strong thats it. Is it confirmed that he is the strongest kage?

 

[Trollasaur]

Can you provide proof for hiruzen mastering all 5 elements or did you just conclude this by the statement that he mastered all the jutsus in konoha village?

i really want hiruzen to be able to do that but i dont think it`s the case

Well if he knew how to do all of kohanas jutsu, you would figure.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Well if he knew how to do all of kohanas jutsu, you would figure.

i believe this statement to be an exaggeration.

 

[wavy]

Well, his son was trash too.

It would matter cause if it was said in part 1 then the third Raikage wasn't even thought up then to compare, and that guys a tank.

True

 

[Trollasaur]

i believe this statement to be an exaggeration.

Okay then I can play the same game, I belive that the SO6P is an exaggeration.

 

[kakashi owns all]

Was it said he was the greatest third kage in part 1 or 2?

it was stated twice, both in part one

Doesn't matter. You just can't ignore what happend in part 1

correct

Can you provide proof for hiruzen mastering all 5 elements or did you just conclude this by the statement that he mastered all the jutsus in konoha village?

i really want hiruzen to be able to do that but i dont think it`s the case

There are 2 ways to conclude that statement

1) mastered all leaf moves = all 5 elements
2) His son asuma most likly had his orginal elements (fire/wind)
3) The anbu who used lighting pillers said "lord 3rd taught me everything i know"
4) earth and fire was shown
5) with the 2ed as a teacher he was most likly forced to learn water (keep in mind that you can learn any element)

He also mastered 1000 genjusue

Another point to keep in mind

- look at his fight when would he need to use lighting/wind/water ? There was no opportune time were you can look back and say "if only he used ____" he would have won (keeping in mind his restrictions due to age)

 

[3MESSIAH]

Okay then I can play the same game, I belive that the SO6P is an exaggeration.

i dont think someone with rinnegan and a juubi jinchuuriki can be an exaggeration

 

[Trollasaur]

i dont think someone with rinnegan and a juubi jinchuuriki can be an exaggeration

He's just a legend so far.