[Question] Why is Ichibei Apologizing ?

[Shanks]

Last Chapter was ended with slight confusion . Can anyone tell me why ichibei was apologizing to humans ?

was Ichibei not confident that ichigo will make it through against Yhwach ? He seems to think humans will be alright if Yhwach has the soul king Powers .

Is kubo going for some twist in the story here. Does Ichibei knows Yhwach is Soul king's Son?

 

[DaemonSpade]

jewgram will take down jewha bach aizen and ichigo

 

[Shanks]

jewgram will take down jewha bach aizen and ichigo

I hope so . But kubo will not make Betraying scenrrio again i believe. Hope he will not be Gin part 2 it will be boring if that scene happens .

 

[SoulKiller]

because he basically send ichigo and his team mates to their death.

 

[Vapids Will]

If Yhwach cannot be defeated , his word is law, thus peace

 

[ssjelf]

Last Chapter was ended with slight confusion . Can anyone tell me why ichibei was apologizing to humans ?

was Ichibei not confident that ichigo will make it through against Yhwach ? He seems to think humans will be alright if Yhwach has the soul king Powers .

Is kubo going for some twist in the story here. Does Ichibei knows Yhwach is Soul king's Son?

Ichibei thinks that Ichigo can't beat YH. When he mentions the "ordinary peace" he means to say that the only reason peace exists is that one person is too strong for others to defeat. This peace is ordinary and therefore a true peace where people aren't silently planning is all but impossible. He is implying here that the reason that the original soul king is in charge was because no one could beat him or those he stood with. Now that the soul king is beat, a new soul king is i charge an that would be YH.

Ultimately his apology is that a new reign of power has come to Soul society and all the other realms and he thinks Ichigo can't do anything about it. This apology also seems to me that if Ichigo beats YH then he will be the new soul king.

What is interesting to note to me is that if SS is under the rule of the SK then YH should be in charge of Gotei 13. (Unless they want to act independently) The RG at least are under his control and I wonder if this means we might get battles with them and Ichigo and co. Probably not but it would also make sense if it did.

 

[The Legendary Noob]

isn't it obvious? he thinks that ichigo and his squad have no chance

 

[Shanks]

Ichibei thinks that Ichigo can't beat YH. When he mentions the "ordinary peace" he means to say that the only reason peace exists is that one person is too strong for others to defeat. This peace is ordinary and therefore a true peace where people aren't silently planning is all but impossible. He is implying here that the reason that the original soul king is in charge was because no one could beat him or those he stood with. Now that the soul king is beat, a new soul king is i charge an that would be YH.

Ultimately his apology is that a new reign of power has come to Soul society and all the other realms and he thinks Ichigo can't do anything about it. This apology also seems to me that if Ichigo beats YH then he will be the new soul king.

What is interesting to note to me is that if SS is under the rule of the SK then YH should be in charge of Gotei 13. (Unless they want to act independently) The RG at least are under his control and I wonder if this means we might get battles with them and Ichigo and co. Probably not but it would also make sense if it did.

What a great answer . RR under Yhwach's control.I can see that happening soon.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Ichibei wasn't apologizing to just ichigo and crew he was apologizing to ichigo fans and practically all non yhwach zealots because he knows that yhwach is about to rustle the entire bleach fan base and ichibei believes that he must apologize for the severe amount of rustling that yhwach is about to dish out almighty gg, all knowing gg, all seeing gg, Yhwach is too strong, dat yhwach :leaf:

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[juzumaki]

seems like the soul king took over ichibeis body

 

[Ultimateone]

seems like the soul king took over ichibeis body

why do people keep saying that? it doesn't seem that way at all. nothing he has done suggest this.

 

[Xlad]

Ichibei thinks that Ichigo can't beat YH. When he mentions the "ordinary peace" he means to say that the only reason peace exists is that one person is too strong for others to defeat. This peace is ordinary and therefore a true peace where people aren't silently planning is all but impossible. He is implying here that the reason that the original soul king is in charge was because no one could beat him or those he stood with. Now that the soul king is beat, a new soul king is i charge an that would be YH.

Ultimately his apology is that a new reign of power has come to Soul society and all the other realms and he thinks Ichigo can't do anything about it. This apology also seems to me that if Ichigo beats YH then he will be the new soul king.

What is interesting to note to me is that if SS is under the rule of the SK then YH should be in charge of Gotei 13. (Unless they want to act independently) The RG at least are under his control and I wonder if this means we might get battles with them and Ichigo and co. Probably not but it would also make sense if it did.

This answer is too based.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Ichibei thinks that Ichigo can't beat YH. When he mentions the "ordinary peace" he means to say that the only reason peace exists is that one person is too strong for others to defeat. This peace is ordinary and therefore a true peace where people aren't silently planning is all but impossible. He is implying here that the reason that the original soul king is in charge was because no one could beat him or those he stood with. Now that the soul king is beat, a new soul king is i charge an that would be YH.

Ultimately his apology is that a new reign of power has come to Soul society and all the other realms and he thinks Ichigo can't do anything about it. This apology also seems to me that if Ichigo beats YH then he will be the new soul king.

What is interesting to note to me is that if SS is under the rule of the SK then YH should be in charge of Gotei 13. (Unless they want to act independently) The RG at least are under his control and I wonder if this means we might get battles with them and Ichigo and co. Probably not but it would also make sense if it did.

What gave you tge idea that the soul king was strong in the first place? When he showed absolutely no power at all.

 

[ssjelf]

What gave you tge idea that the soul king was strong in the first place? When he showed absolutely no power at all.

I also said "those he stood with" I.e. Yamamoto/RG. I didn't necessarily mean SK was the strongest. But now that he is dead the battle is lost. But ichibeis words implied that the "peace" soul society had was due to the strength of the RG, gotei 13, and the soul king (urahara even mentioned that he was a linchpin for SS) . That strength has been beat and therefore a new peace is established.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I also said "those he stood with" I.e. Yamamoto/RG. I didn't necessarily mean SK was the strongest. But now that he is dead the battle is lost. But ichibeis words implied that the "peace" soul society had was due to the strength of the RG, gotei 13, and the soul king (urahara even mentioned that he was a linchpin for SS) . That strength has been beat and therefore a new peace is established.

He is not strong he was just holding ss an everything in place an that's why he was important...that's why the RG were there to protect him once you get pass them the sk is defenseless.

 

[ssjelf]

He is not strong he was just holding ss an everything in place an that's why he was important...that's why the RG were there to protect him once you get pass them the sk is defenseless.

I don't think we have enough info to make that conclusion. He is the father of YH, and he Can see the future like YH, if he can do that then he has to have some strength. For all we know, he let YH stab him. Nothing says that he is weak.

But that aside, my original point wasn't to suggest he was strong. Ichibei words were pretty clear that the soul king was the reason (directly for his strength or indirectly via others strength) for the old peace. And YH will be new peace. In any case, there exists a reason that Yama and the RG fought for the SK. Strength also lies in your ability to collect comrades. A king isn't individually strong but he is collectively strong. That was my intention in calling the SK strong.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I don't think we have enough info to make that conclusion. He is the father of YH, and he Can see the future like YH, if he can do that then he has to have some strength. For all we know, he let YH stab him. Nothing says that he is weak.

But that aside, my original point wasn't to suggest he was strong. Ichibei words were pretty clear that the soul king was the reason (directly for his strength or indirectly via others strength) for the old peace. And YH will be new peace. In any case, there exists a reason that Yama and the RG fought for the SK. Strength also lies in your ability to collect comrades. A king isn't individually strong but he is collectively strong. That was my intention in calling the SK strong.

All I got from ichibei words was that he was calling Bach strong an thats all I don't know how you came up with all that other stuff.

 

[ssjelf]

All I got from ichibei words was that he was calling Bach strong an thats all I don't know how you came up with all that other stuff.

That is your problem not mine. Others on here seem to agree with me. I explained my idea pretty thoroughly. Ichibei says that YH can't be beat and then says "but don't worry, isn't that what peace is all about" What else can that mean but what I said? How does YH's strength have anything to do with peace? Why did he say that after talking about YH? The answer is simple, Strength leads to peace. peace exists because someone has a bigger stick. etc. This really isn't that complex of a concept.

Before YH came along, who was the strongest organization? That would be SS. Who ruled the realms? The soul king via SS. Given the information that the gotei 13 isn't all that good either, then it is safe to say that they had achieved peace through domination. And in fact, YH even says this about Yamamoto.

The chapter is literally titled "The ordinary peace" and Ichibei's words explain that title. You don't have to agree with me, but there isn't another explanation for Ichibei's words. Especially given the true nature of the gotei 13 and obviously Ichibei. More and more this arc is having a theme that not everyone is as good or bad as they seem, and i recall arguing with someone about the nature of ichibei's ability. Gotei 13/RG didn't' gain dominance beause they were friendly people who had the good of the world in mind. They gained dominance because they were the strongest, and that is why for the last 1000 years their has not been an incident that resembles this.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

That is your problem not mine. Others on here seem to agree with me. I explained my idea pretty thoroughly. Ichibei says that YH can't be beat and then says "but don't worry, isn't that what peace is all about" What else can that mean but what I said? How does YH's strength have anything to do with peace? Why did he say that after talking about YH? The answer is simple, Strength leads to peace. peace exists because someone has a bigger stick. etc. This really isn't that complex of a concept.

Before YH came along, who was the strongest organization? That would be SS. Who ruled the realms? The soul king via SS. Given the information that the gotei 13 isn't all that good either, then it is safe to say that they had achieved peace through domination. And in fact, YH even says this about Yamamoto.

The chapter is literally titled "The ordinary peace" and Ichibei's words explain that title. You don't have to agree with me, but there isn't another explanation for Ichibei's words. Especially given the true nature of the gotei 13 and obviously Ichibei. More and more this arc is having a theme that not everyone is as good or bad as they seem, and i recall arguing with someone about the nature of ichibei's ability. Gotei 13/RG didn't' gain dominance beause they were friendly people who had the good of the world in mind. They gained dominance because they were the strongest, and that is why for the last 1000 years their has not been an incident that resembles this.

But Bach is not bringing peace, he's only bringing death an destruction to ss an earth....an like I said an you just said in ur post ichibei was only calling Bach strong not the soul king as we see he could not do anything....unless ur implying that death an destruction is this new peace that ichibei is talking about?

 

[ssjelf]

But Bach is not bringing peace, he's only bringing death an destruction to ss an earth....an like I said an you just said in ur post ichibei was only calling Bach strong not the soul king as we see he could not do anything....unless ur implying that death an destruction is this new peace that ichibei is talking about?

Death and destruction as a prelude to peace. YH implied it was the same for the founders of the gotei 13. They were merciless thugs who did whatever it took to accomplish their goals. If one kingdom were to take over the entire earth, would there not be peace? (Obviously yes and no, murders and what not would still occur) but as far as warring with another faction, there would be no more war. Like a coup d'etat. One faction rules and another begins to rebel. Over the course of time the rebellion wins and now they are the leaders. They were stronger and so there is peace again. Ichibei implied that the old power was the soul king and all his subordinates. Now that a stronger group exists, and no one can beat them, peace will once again exist. I don't think YH plans to destroy the universe, he plans to remake it in his image I think, what he wants the world to be.