Why I feel Minato isn't as strong as NB Fans think

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Yup. Good thread. There are also other ninja who would be able to beat/tie with Minato.

Muu, Obito host and Hanzo to name a few. Minato really isn't top tier as people think, he's high tier.
 

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Why do i get the feeling OP is so insecure that he feels the need to downplay Minato in every of his posts or threads?
 

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Minato isn't invincible, but he's the 2nd strongest Hokage in the series. He fodderizes Itachi and Tobirama. He beats KCM Naruto (No BM). He can beat EMS Sasuke. But loses to Rinnegan users, DSM users and Mokuton users.
 

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Minato isn't invincible, but he's the 2nd strongest Hokage in the series. He fodderizes Itachi and Tobirama. He beats KCM Naruto (No BM). He can beat EMS Sasuke. But loses to Rinnegan users, DSM users and Mokuton users.
ok, tell me how a battle between him and Tobirama will likely go?
 

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Just wanted to clarify that I am not a Minato hater. I actually like Minato since he did what he had to do to save his village and his son. Plus without him Itachi wouldn't be around to be solo king... Anyways...

I do agree that Minato is strong but these are the people I believe he can't beat due to him lacking Long range, genjutsu, or a strong enough short range ninjutsu (Read my conclusion before posting)

Nagato - Combined attack of Deva Path (Suck in minato and all FTG Kunai), Asura path (Blast all Kunai and Minato as he sucked in As well as Augment body to block all physical attacks with blades), and Preta Path (Absorb rasengan)

Itachi - Genjutsu (Minato has no counter), Yata Mirror/Totsuka(Makes him Invincible to all Attacks + Forces Minato on the defensive entire fight due to the size of totsuka and if it pierces you you get sealed), Suiton (Water wall for FTG kunai defense/wash away), Izanami, Tsukyomi

Tobirama - FTG, Edo tensei, Suiton, Superior experience with fTG, WAY more battle experience

Kabuto - Minato has nothing that can kill him except Reaper Death, Kimmimaro bone forrest + tayuya's flute, White Rage

Hashirama - Bringer of Darkness genjutsu (Minato is a sensor but Hashirama has Mokuton clones), Flower Tree world (Sleep minato), way more battle experience

Madara - Flower Tree world (Sleep minato), Minato also has no jutsu strong enough to kill him since he can absorb rasengan, Way more battle experience


Conclusion: My opinion will change once Minato shows a stronger Jutsu than Rasengan, IE if he could use Rasen shuriken or some other extremely destructive jutsu then he will easily beat 3 of the 5 people on my list. Atleast if you disagree with my list you can agree with this.
Rasen Senkō Chō Rinbu Kōsan Shiki is stronger than Rasengan / thread
and we haven't seen any thing about his affinity to decide wether he can use long range attack's or not..........
 

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How Minato made Itachi solo king anyway??
1. Nagato>Minato
2. Itachi doesn't have strong chakra reserves so he can't use all of them together.
3 Tobirama's reflexes>Minato's reflexes
but Minato's FTG>Tobirama's FTG
4. Hashirama, Madara>Minato
What makes u think that Tobirama's reflexes are > Minato....?
 

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I think most people think that Minato can beat Tobirama because he has a more versatile FTG, but that is nullified by Tobirama's suiton anyways.. Minato can't spread Kunais around the place if he fights Tobirama, Suiton will wash them away.. it's as simple as that
Minato counters warter style with Shunshin and he'll get near Tobirama by usng his shunshin as u already knw Minato's shunshin > Tobirama's shunshin
 

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That technique has something to do with Rasengan sooooo.
FRS needs Rasengan, that dosen't mean Rasengan > FRS isn't it.......?

If some one like Minato belives that it can solo Juubito even after seeng Tobirama's EDO bomb it wil dfntly one of the most powerful Jutsu...................
 

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Just wanted to clarify that I am not a Minato hater. I actually like Minato since he did what he had to do to save his village and his son. Plus without him Itachi wouldn't be around to be solo king... Anyways...

I do agree that Minato is strong but these are the people I believe he can't beat due to him lacking Long range, genjutsu, or a strong enough short range ninjutsu (Read my conclusion before posting)

Nagato - Combined attack of Deva Path (Suck in minato and all FTG Kunai), Asura path (Blast all Kunai and Minato as he sucked in As well as Augment body to block all physical attacks with blades), and Preta Path (Absorb rasengan)

Itachi - Genjutsu (Minato has no counter), Yata Mirror/Totsuka(Makes him Invincible to all Attacks + Forces Minato on the defensive entire fight due to the size of totsuka and if it pierces you you get sealed), Suiton (Water wall for FTG kunai defense/wash away), Izanami, Tsukyomi

Tobirama - FTG, Edo tensei, Suiton, Superior experience with fTG, WAY more battle experience

Kabuto - Minato has nothing that can kill him except Reaper Death, Kimmimaro bone forrest + tayuya's flute, White Rage

Hashirama - Bringer of Darkness genjutsu (Minato is a sensor but Hashirama has Mokuton clones), Flower Tree world (Sleep minato), way more battle experience

Madara - Flower Tree world (Sleep minato), Minato also has no jutsu strong enough to kill him since he can absorb rasengan, Way more battle experience


Conclusion: My opinion will change once Minato shows a stronger Jutsu than Rasengan, IE if he could use Rasen shuriken or some other extremely destructive jutsu then he will easily beat 3 of the 5 people on my list. Atleast if you disagree with my list you can agree with this.
I think it's pretty obvious that minato isn't on par with Hashirama and Madara, it's a huge stretch if someone says he is.

As always, Minato > Itachi, itachi's stamina is hugely detrimental to his health and thus battle performance which is why he cannot keep up with ninja's within the top 10 or so. In this case, minato.

I think DSM Kabuto > Minato (based on current feats, not counting KCM) unless someone convinces me otherwise....

Minato > Tobirama is debatable, not going to say anything on this because we haven't seen enough from tobirama.
 
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I'll see it to believe it.



@ Red: Minato can use a variety of seals to use on the Edo tensei bodies itself.I don't know Minato as well as some members do but his reverse contract can be used of the Edo clones instead of Tobirama.

Also how can the Edo's help when Mianto can warp the bodies if they was to explode? How will they hit such a fast ninja who has perfected Tobirama's FTG? Your whole argument revolves around Tobirama's mediocre Edo tensei that Orochiamru and Kabuto advanced.
@bold typical minato fanboy.. always talking about stuff minato has yet to show or even have... MY argument is that Edo tensei explosions and Suiton is more than enough to rid the field of FTG kunai that minato use. Also if edo tensei explosion does go off that leaves an area of the battlefield that Minato can no longer retreat to forcing him to fight more and evade less.
 

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I think it's pretty obvious that minato isn't on par with Hashirama and Madara, it's a huge stretch if someone says he is.

As always, Minato > Itachi, itachi's stamina is hugely detrimental to his health and thus battle performance which is why he cannot keep up with ninja's within the top 10 or so. In this case, minato.

I think DSM Kabuto > Minato unless someone convinces me otherwise....

Minato > Tobirama is debatable, not going to say anything on this because we haven't seen enough from tobirama.
what he lacks in stamina he makes up for in 1 shotting.. Also Minato stamina doesn't seem to be that much better considering he can only make 1 clone
 

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what he lacks in stamina he makes up for in 1 shotting.. Also Minato stamina doesn't seem to be that much better considering he can only make 1 clone
He cannot one shot minato LMFAO. Minato's speed is going to be a pain for itachi to deal with.

Stamina not that much better? What are you talking about?
Your other point is redundant. Where was it stated that 1 clone is his max?
He was able to teleport kurama's BD and the kyuubi's body itself, to different locations and although they both happened at different moments, both of them occurred within the same time span. So seeing what he has shown so far, it's safe to say his stamina is pretty good.
 
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what he lacks in stamina he makes up for in 1 shotting.. Also Minato stamina doesn't seem to be that much better considering he can only make 1 clone
He can make more clones. He just made one bcos dats all he needed and at dat tyme he was holding a barrier. If he had made wat wld be of use of dem?

Wif ur genjutsu crap, nd darkness: are u trying to say dat da 3rd hokage who counterd it is stronger dan him? Also all da recent kages hav been able to counter genjutsu wif da xception of Raikage as dey wer fighting Madara.

What am saying is all da battle scenarios u've brought out can go either unless we know da full arsenal of minato.
Since all the hokages appeared on da battlefied, he nd hashirama are da only one who have stood dia ground against Juubito nd juubi wif minimal damage. Dat goes to show u how Kishi portrays his strength.
 
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