Why i believe Itachi was greater then Minato

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First of all, Minato DID have to seal the Kyuubi away since it was his responsability towards the village, you know being Hokage and everything - a Hokage can't afford to put his personal feelings above the village, it goes against the principle of being Hokage. Yeah MAYBE there was another way but you name me one that doesn't involve at least him or Kushina dying - a realistic one preferably.

Secondly, if Itachi simply did not murder his entire clan, Sasuke would've grown up normally - sure the Uchiha were planning something but who knows what would've happened. He didn't do everything he could to keep Sasuke away from Madara, he did the exact opposite. Sasuke never needed the MS, he never had to live his life in the persuit of vengeance. If Sasuke had kept his family and the people he loved - they would be there to protect him and he maybe he would've even become a proper Konoha shinobi, afterall he IS a genius as they say. Whole Uchiha clan against Madara is a safer bet then murdering them all except your little baby brother and sending him into a life of snake rape and utter useless vengeance.

And on the point of not murdering the Uchiha, the third Hokage maybe didn't even have to die with the Uchiha clan around when Orochimaru decided to invade.

Im just saying...

Just as Minato had to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox, so too did Itachi have to kill the Uchiha clan. If he had not, civil war would have broken out, and countless people would have died, all for the sake of the Uchiha's self-interest. That's what would have happened - even the Third Hokage, perhaps the most legendary of Hokages, could do nothing to stop this impending disaster. It was Itachi's responsibility towards the village that he kill the Uchiha clan - closing the book on the clan's history with his own hand was the only way to go.

Sarutobi did not die with the Uchiha clan - the clan was murdered seven years before the start of the series, while Sarutobi died during Orochimaru's invasion of Konoha, which took place during the Chunin Exams before the three year timeskip. Both had to do what they did - if they hadn't, Konoha would no longer exist. They both tried to prevent their village from being harmed again, but they were unsuccessful. It doesn't matter what preference one has for a character, at least this must be recognized.
 

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emmm the idea is a good one but to see from what have bees shown in the story line, its like no way itachi is greater than minato in terms of power. Thunder god lightning jutsu is sooo totaly cooler than tsukiyomi,amateratsu and susano'o.

well... im just sooo into minato :D
 

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Just as Minato had to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox, so too did Itachi have to kill the Uchiha clan. If he had not, civil war would have broken out, and countless people would have died, all for the sake of the Uchiha's self-interest. That's what would have happened - even the Third Hokage, perhaps the most legendary of Hokages, could do nothing to stop this impending disaster. It was Itachi's responsibility towards the village that he kill the Uchiha clan - closing the book on the clan's history with his own hand was the only way to go.

Sarutobi did not die with the Uchiha clan - the clan was murdered seven years before the start of the series, while Sarutobi died during Orochimaru's invasion of Konoha, which took place during the Chunin Exams before the three year timeskip. Both had to do what they did - if they hadn't, Konoha would no longer exist. They both tried to prevent their village from being harmed again, but they were unsuccessful. It doesn't matter what preference one has for a character, at least this must be recognized.

Seriously all youre doing is assuming and predicting what you cannot prove, you don't know for sure if a civil war would've broken out nor can you know if lives would be lost or not. Who know's what might've happened, not every argument is solved with the killing of people.

And wtf is up with that little piece of text about Sarutobi? I know full well when he died and the flow of time during the manga but amazes me is that your answer is not even close to what I said. I'm saying if Itachi didn't kill the Uchiha and assuming no civil war would've happened the Uchiha would be there to help out when Orochimaru invaded and Sarutobi didn't have to die just there.

And lol at if they both didn't do what they did Konoha would no longer exist? That's a load of rubbish...

I know reading is hard, and formulating proper responses to said statements is a challenge but please try harder next time. Oh and FYI this is just MY opinion as to why I think Itachi is not as great as Minato.
 

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Seriously all youre doing is assuming and predicting what you cannot prove, you don't know for sure if a civil war would've broken out nor can you know if lives would be lost or not. Who know's what might've happened, not every argument is solved with the killing of people.

And wtf is up with that little piece of text about Sarutobi? I know full well when he died and the flow of time during the manga but amazes me is that your answer is not even close to what I said. I'm saying if Itachi didn't kill the Uchiha and assuming no civil war would've happened the Uchiha would be there to help out when Orochimaru invaded and Sarutobi didn't have to die just there.

And lol at if they both didn't do what they did Konoha would no longer exist? That's a load of rubbish...

I know reading is hard, and formulating proper responses to said statements is a challenge but please try harder next time. Oh and FYI this is just MY opinion as to why I think Itachi is not as great as Minato.

War would have broken out. You're simply assuming that it wouldn't have. Why then, did Madara say "but if a clan like Uchiha started a civil war, it would shake the foundations of Konohakagure and the entire Land of Fire?"



"Other countries would surely take that as an oppurtunity to attack. No doubt it would trigger a fourth ninja war. Many would die, including those with no ties to the ninja world, all for the sake of the Uchiha clan's self-interest. What would you have done if you were Itachi?"



"So Itachi made his decision. He would close the book on the clan's history with his own hand. He didn't betray them out of hatred...he had no choice. The village's prejudice...and the fruits of that antagonism. He took it all on himself. No one can blame him for the sacrifice he made."

What do you think about those two pages above? You're underestimating what the Uchiha would have done. When they were relocated to a corner of the village, closely watched by ANBU forces, they took this as sign of what Madara had warned them of years earlier.



"Eventually the Senju clan would exterminate the Uchiha clan...I couldn't help but think that."

Yes, not every argument is solved with the killing of people, but most are. One thing human beings have been consistently good at is killing each other. The first recorded war can be traced back to 2700 B.C.E. Surprisingly, war is one of the main forms of human interaction - we have to direct our massive hatred somewhere, don't we? And on each other is where it goes.

If you think civil war would not have broken out, Itachi would have seen this. He would not have killed his clan if he did not think the situation was that dangerous. But it was. If they weren't killed, they were going to kill. No one could stop that - even Sarutobi tried, but he failed too. "It all led to that night," as said by Madara.



By the way, are you sure the Uchiha would have helped Konoha during Orochimaru's invasion, if civil war had not broken out? They might have taken the enemy's side and try to overthrow Konoha's government and put Uchiha clan members in positions of power. Why do you assume that the Uchiha would automatically help Konoha? The best conclusions, the ones we hope for, are not always realized.

Madara goes as far to say that the Uchiha's civil war would not only shake Konohakagure's foundations, but the Land of Fire's as well. How would civil war have been avoided? Sarutobi attempted negotiation, but that fell through. Violence was the only answer. "What would you have done if you were Itachi?" Answer Madara's question.
 

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I don't know if you ever realised this but Madara is quite known for lying his head off. Sorry to say but quoting things he said aint really proof of anything.

I do get where you're coming from, and I'm doing the same as you are; assuming I just dont consider anything Madara has said to be the truth and base my opinions on that.
 

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I don't know if you ever realised this but Madara is quite known for lying his head off. Sorry to say but quoting things he said aint really proof of anything.

I do get where you're coming from, and I'm doing the same as you are; assuming I just dont consider anything Madara has said to be the truth and base my opinions on that.

Madara has been known to manipulate and lie, I agree with you, but I don't see a reason for him to lie all the way through the truth about Itachi. Yes, Madara was lying when he said the Nine-Tailed Fox was a natural disaster, and he might not have been telling the truth when he said taking his brother's eyes was an act Izuna consented to.









Apart from this, I do think Madara was telling the truth about the rest; what reason would there be for him not to? He wants to win over Sasuke (which he might have done already) so he can push his own agenda forward. But to me, aside from the Nine-Tails' attack and Madara's claim of Izuna's eyes, the rest was all true. So some of the things Madara says in the manga can in fact be quoted.
 
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