Why i believe Itachi was greater then Minato

[Deidara Akatsuki]

My Overall reason is simple For why I believe Itachi to be a greater Ninja then Minato.

But a bit about the history..

Minato - Genious, hailed as Konoha's yellow Flash. Youngest Ever Hokage.
Had the will of Fire possibly the most out of all the Ninja's Thus far.

Was a good guy start to finish. Incredible fighter and tactician. Selfless and strong

Itachi - Genious, graduated into Anbu at a very early age and was known as one of the most feared Ninjas.

Itachi is the only person current, apart from Madara who would have been able to match Minato in a fight as he is extreamly cunning and wise.


Now, the story has portrayed Minato as a goody from Day One.
Only recently it has come to light that Itachi was a goody that he planned his own death to save Sasuke.

Now, i believe in terms of intellegence, forsight and pure deep love Itachi is beyond Minato.

Minato Did Not forsee the Sasuke Naruto Rivalry developing nor was he able to give Naruto the answer he was looking for. He could only believe in him.

I believe Jiraiya was a greater role model for Naruto to live up to, For the simple fact that he was NOT hokage, yet he strived all his life to find a way for ninja's to live in a world full of peace without Violence. Minato accepted that this could NOT happen as he said that ' as long as ninjas exist, the cycle of hatred will continue'

So here we see, Minato surrenduring defeat to the Hatred that will always be there .

Itachi Literally made the hardest decision that a ninja would ever even dream of making. Living a life of hatred after killing his clan family and spawning the most painful of memories for his brother to live with..

He did all this, so his brother could live.

Now, Minato would have probably done the same, thing But here is where Itachi's Intellegence comes in,

He triggered a trap for madara with amaterasu

He Put his last ace card in Naruto, which is a very humble and noble thing to do as its like saying, ' I cannot save my brother even though he is my responsibility, You do it' This must have been Itachi's most dificult decision as he has the foresight to see that naruto is the only one who can save sasuke not himself.


This is why i believe Itachi to be greater then Minato.

( Note, this topic is based purely on intelegence and wisdom im not comparing who is stronger, only who is greater.

Discuss

 

[Tobirama Senju]

But Minato had undoubted faith in his son from birth. So he gave naruto the nine-tails in order for him to combat madara/tobi/man-in-the-mask. He then added a fail safe which enabled him to re-seal the seal once it had reached 8tails. To add even more to this he gave naruto "that jutsu" along with the key in order for him to use. this jutsu must have some severe significance otherwise if not it should have been revealed in the manga already. Final note, minato is a great creater of jutsu's creating the resengan and (correct me if i'm wrong) the flying thunder god technique. Nice points on itachi though

 

[Deidara Akatsuki]

But Giving Naruto More power Doesnt necessarily mean its the right thing to do. Where'as Itachi gave Naruto something to combat Sasuke alone to stop his revenge mission ect... Minato didnt give the uchiha's anything or did anything to stop the cycle of hatred. The sasuke Naurto battle will spawn the new cycle of hatred of the next generation. Itachi is trying to stop that.

I get what you mean, Very good points But are those things really going to help Naruto find a way to bring peace amongst the Ninja world. Itachi did Sasuke and Naruto both a favour,

And as far as im concered Sasuke is the Villages' biggest threat, Because he has the Villages most important valuable Ninja, Naruto who wants to find him.

 

[InevitablePAIN]

They're both my favorite characters, but what you said about Minato not giving Naruto an answer is actually a good "thing" because it's up to Naruto, Minato wants his son to decide fate he wanted Naruto to decide himself since Naruto was the one who was confronting Pain. Minato didn't fight pain so he couldn't decide for Naruto it had to be NARUTOS choice. And Minato being less of a role model for Naruto is true , but you gotta remember Minato didn't even meet Naruto. Overall Itachi and Minato would be = so none is greatest!

 

[gamahiro]

Itachi killed his entire clan including his parents. He didn't even try to find another solution. He's a good older brother and that's where the good ends. Other than his affection for his little brother he's a sick twisted psychopath. Minato would have never thought of killing his clan or family.

 

[sandshark]

There's one thing you didn't take into account and that is time.
How could Minato foresee Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry. I don't think he ever saw Sasuke, who had literally just been born. Not to mention he (sasuke) was a baby...
Next, Itachi was alive working close to or with Madara for years. There is a tie we don't know about that hasn't really been addressed yet. Minato was had what a night? He had to fight Madara and seal away the Kyuubi before the village was destroyed. Leaving him little time to do much else.

 

[Deidara Akatsuki]

There's one thing you didn't take into account and that is time.
How could Minato foresee Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry. I don't think he ever saw Sasuke, who had literally just been born. Not to mention he (sasuke) was a baby...
Next, Itachi was alive working close to or with Madara for years. There is a tie we don't know about that hasn't really been addressed yet. Minato was had what a night? He had to fight Madara and seal away the Kyuubi before the village was destroyed. Leaving him little time to do much else.

He knew there was always a vicous cycle of hatred. He did nothing about it ( That we know of anyway )

Whereas Jiraiya for instance travelled the world writing books trying to find the answer.

We havent even see Minato try and adress it or strive to make the world a better place,only defend Konoha which only serves as a temporary fix to the issue.

Jiraiya tried to find the root of the problem. Minato accepted it and did nothing else.

Itachi put his life on the line so sasuke could live, creating a new cycle of hatred ( between sasuke and konoha ) Then effectively will end it when he foresaw Sasukes actions up untill now and gave Naruto a gift to be there for sasuke when he will unleash his revenge on Konoha.

Itachi's gift was for naruto to stop that new cycle of hatred going, None of this would be possible if it wasnt for Itachi.

 

[Sly Anbu]

Itachi killed his entire clan including his parents. He didn't even try to find another solution. He's a good older brother and that's where the good ends. Other than his affection for his little brother he's a sick twisted psychopath. Minato would have never thought of killing his clan or family.

lmao "sick twisted psychopath" wow that was funny.

Ok back on topic. I understand why you believe Itachi was greater... but Minato was great in the same way. He had no idea that he would die that night, that the Kyuubi would be unleashed, that he would be attacked by a legend who should have died about 50 years ago, and that his son would have to grow up with no parents as a result. In those circumstances, Minato did extremely well by fighting off Madara, summoning Bunta and fighting the nine tails, sealing the nine tails in such an advanced way that Naruto would get a chance to meet with both of his parents as a last resort. All in one night, probably in a matter of 30 minutes. So yea while Jiraiya was out and about solving mysteries that even he knew were impossible to solve, Minato stayed in and defended the village from total annihilation, thereby saving Naruto and everyone in Konoha, including Itachi, Sasuke, everyone. Now That is legendary. But yeah Itachi also is. Equal in my books

 

[Apocalyptor]

He knew there was always a vicous cycle of hatred. He did nothing about it ( That we know of anyway )

Whereas Jiraiya for instance travelled the world writing books trying to find the answer.

We havent even see Minato try and adress it or strive to make the world a better place,only defend Konoha which only serves as a temporary fix to the issue.

You said that we know of anyway. That's exactly why you can't accurately compare Minato and Itachi. We literally have NO idea what Minato has done. Maybe he was working on a plan to deal with the hatred. So I think it's unfair that you say Minato just accepted it and did nothing. We don't know that.

 

[Deidara Akatsuki]

You said that we know of anyway. That's exactly why you can't accurately compare Minato and Itachi. We literally have NO idea what Minato has done. Maybe he was working on a plan to deal with the hatred. So I think it's unfair that you say Minato just accepted it and did nothing. We don't know that.

Well Im not trying to piss on all the Minato Fan Boy's bonfires by saying that, im literally stating what we have seen in the manga Thus far.

Some people may not agree with my views Because they were different circumstances, different ages Etc. But i literally have to admire Itachi for doing what he did.. By all means i am no fan boy. ( Deidara and Orochimaru are my 2 favourite characters infact )


'' Other than his affection for his little brother he's a sick twisted psychopath '' There is nothing i can possibly reply without somehow insulting that guy for one of the dumbest comments iv'e ever read so i'l pretend i didnt see it.

''There is a tie we don't know about that hasn't really been addressed yet.''

Well in a way your right but Itachi effectively always had his heart in the right place looking at the fact he wanted to save sasuke and even more so his gift to Naruto, so Itachi's Goodside and positive actions can shall we say, ' overwhelm' any wrong doings he 'may' have done in the past, particularly those you mentioned with madara.

 

[Honord Sage]

The trouble in the Village between The Uchiha and the rest of the Village happen after the death of Minato and Kushina. Naruto Mother and Sasuke Mother were friends. Maybe someone did not like the Uchiha being buddies with the Hokage's family.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Minato gave his life to stop Madara, save the village, and gave his son the power to defeat Madara.

Itachi twisted Sasuke's mind, made him an avenger, then sent him to Orochimaru who manipulated him more, who in turn gave him strength to combat Itachi, who explained who Madara was, piquing Sasuke's curiosity. Itachi did good things for Konoha while in Akatsuki, like leaving trails on their activities (possibly being Jiraiya's informer). He gave Naruto power to combat a Sasuke that he helped create. And now that Sasuke knows the truth behind Itachi, he's killing more people in his name. And he no longer cares about who he kills to get his goals in action.

 

[niblack89]

I think Minto was stronger than Itachi.
Tobi was seen to be fast and his sharingan was still effected by Minato's speed.

Minato and Itachi may have around the same speed but as seen Minato is faster.

They both are smart geniuses that are only seen every few generations. Minato figured out Tobi's weakness and exploited it bad even owned Tobi. Minato within than an hour created the perfect seal with safe guards for his newborn son.

As seen Minato could teleport any jutsu somewhere else with his space time barrier. Minato is also the most effective in ending a battle quick.

Itachi is powerful but Minato's just better especially with his FTG jutsu. If Itachi had EMS I would say Minato is a dead man because his eyes wouldn't deteriorate especially during a fight.

 

[Deidara Akatsuki]

I think Minto was stronger than Itachi.
Tobi was seen to be fast and his sharingan was still effected by Minato's speed.

Minato and Itachi may have around the same speed but as seen Minato is faster.

They both are smart geniuses that are only seen every few generations. Minato figured out Tobi's weakness and exploited it bad even owned Tobi. Minato within than an hour created the perfect seal with safe guards for his newborn son.

As seen Minato could teleport any jutsu somewhere else with his space time barrier. Minato is also the most effective in ending a battle quick.

Itachi is powerful but Minato's just better especially with his FTG jutsu. If Itachi had EMS I would say Minato is a dead man because his eyes wouldn't deteriorate especially during a fight.

I specifically said i was basing my thread on everything apart from fight and who is powerfuller.

 

[niblack89]

I specifically said i was basing my thread on everything apart from fight and who is powerfuller.

Ok Minato is better than Itachi because Minato had within a few hours to create the most powerful jinchuuriki seal since the SO6P and stopping Tobi and defeating the kyuubi. He was also known through out the whole world.


Itachi was smart but only Uchiha smart. He used his Bloodline limit to its limit. All Uchihas are gifted with speed, he was gifted with the sharingan. Itachi just mastered all his gifts at a younger age than the rest. You take the sharingan from him and he comes off as Kakashi's level. Take the FTG from Minato and he is still deadly.

Minato also created some of the most complexed and powerful jutsu.

Also how can you prove who is better without stating who is a better fight all you are doing is saying who is a better character.

 

[gamahiro]

lmao "sick twisted psychopath" wow that was funny.

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[Modaro]

My Overall reason is simple For why I believe Itachi to be a greater Ninja then Minato.

But a bit about the history..

Minato - Genious, hailed as Konoha's yellow Flash. Youngest Ever Hokage.
Had the will of Fire possibly the most out of all the Ninja's Thus far.

Was a good guy start to finish. Incredible fighter and tactician. Selfless and strong

Itachi - Genious, graduated into Anbu at a very early age and was known as one of the most feared Ninjas.

Itachi is the only person current, apart from Madara who would have been able to match Minato in a fight as he is extreamly cunning and wise.


Now, the story has portrayed Minato as a goody from Day One.
Only recently it has come to light that Itachi was a goody that he planned his own death to save Sasuke.

Now, i believe in terms of intellegence, forsight and pure deep love Itachi is beyond Minato.

Minato Did Not forsee the Sasuke Naruto Rivalry developing nor was he able to give Naruto the answer he was looking for. He could only believe in him.

I believe Jiraiya was a greater role model for Naruto to live up to, For the simple fact that he was NOT hokage, yet he strived all his life to find a way for ninja's to live in a world full of peace without Violence. Minato accepted that this could NOT happen as he said that ' as long as ninjas exist, the cycle of hatred will continue'

So here we see, Minato surrenduring defeat to the Hatred that will always be there .

Itachi Literally made the hardest decision that a ninja would ever even dream of making. Living a life of hatred after killing his clan family and spawning the most painful of memories for his brother to live with..

He did all this, so his brother could live.

Now, Minato would have probably done the same, thing But here is where Itachi's Intellegence comes in,

He triggered a trap for madara with amaterasu

He Put his last ace card in Naruto, which is a very humble and noble thing to do as its like saying, ' I cannot save my brother even though he is my responsibility, You do it' This must have been Itachi's most dificult decision as he has the foresight to see that naruto is the only one who can save sasuke not himself.


This is why i believe Itachi to be greater then Minato.

( Note, this topic is based purely on intelegence and wisdom im not comparing who is stronger, only who is greater.

Discuss

You said jaryia is a greater role model wjich is true but guess what minato is was dead all along so ummmm DUHHHHHH !!

Itachi killed his clan to avoid war and protect the only pure hearted uchiha (Sausuke). If that was minato's decosion he would of he would of actively fought for his beliefs to set an example for the others. Itachi didn't let his clan decide thier own path he just acted selfishly, and killed them all.

 

[Typhon]

Its really unfair to compare the two situations. Itachi literally had years to plan out his actions. Minato on the other hand had no chance to prepare for Madara's return, then lost his wife and had his son threatened within the matter of minutes.

 

[Sly Anbu]

Ok well fish for your bears this time since they didn't like the Cokes.

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hahaha thx. Next, bring Kisame, dead or alive... but preferably dead lol

 

[psukkar]

My Overall reason is simple For why I believe Itachi to be a greater Ninja then Minato.

But a bit about the history..

Minato - Genious, hailed as Konoha's yellow Flash. Youngest Ever Hokage.
Had the will of Fire possibly the most out of all the Ninja's Thus far.

Was a good guy start to finish. Incredible fighter and tactician. Selfless and strong

Itachi - Genious, graduated into Anbu at a very early age and was known as one of the most feared Ninjas.

Itachi is the only person current, apart from Madara who would have been able to match Minato in a fight as he is extreamly cunning and wise.


Now, the story has portrayed Minato as a goody from Day One.
Only recently it has come to light that Itachi was a goody that he planned his own death to save Sasuke.

Now, i believe in terms of intellegence, forsight and pure deep love Itachi is beyond Minato.

Minato Did Not forsee the Sasuke Naruto Rivalry developing nor was he able to give Naruto the answer he was looking for. He could only believe in him.

I believe Jiraiya was a greater role model for Naruto to live up to, For the simple fact that he was NOT hokage, yet he strived all his life to find a way for ninja's to live in a world full of peace without Violence. Minato accepted that this could NOT happen as he said that ' as long as ninjas exist, the cycle of hatred will continue'

So here we see, Minato surrenduring defeat to the Hatred that will always be there .

Itachi Literally made the hardest decision that a ninja would ever even dream of making. Living a life of hatred after killing his clan family and spawning the most painful of memories for his brother to live with..

He did all this, so his brother could live.

Now, Minato would have probably done the same, thing But here is where Itachi's Intellegence comes in,

He triggered a trap for madara with amaterasu

He Put his last ace card in Naruto, which is a very humble and noble thing to do as its like saying, ' I cannot save my brother even though he is my responsibility, You do it' This must have been Itachi's most dificult decision as he has the foresight to see that naruto is the only one who can save sasuke not himself.


This is why i believe Itachi to be greater then Minato.

( Note, this topic is based purely on intelegence and wisdom im not comparing who is stronger, only who is greater.

Discuss

I don't understand what u mean greater? meaning he would win in a fight against Minato?

There's something that always makes wonder when people compare Itachi to everyone else. Itachi actually hasn't been up against anyone whos strong (don't say Sasuke PLZ, that fight was simply dragged out until Itachi got tried)

There was Kahashi in part 1 other than that we really haven't seen him fight a real challenge. He usually gets compared to guys who have fought epic fights like Jiraiya,Minato,Nagato(this one is beyond me) all the hokages in fact.

Thats just me you, you can't really compare itachi to the others as he hasn't been in a battle to the end for the win to see how he performs under pressure. Sure he is strong but to say things like hes smarter based no actual fight under pressure is abit silly. It's easy to make the right decisions in battle if your not being challenged as oppose to when you are fighting someone close to your equal.

Also battle experience is a big factor too when it comes to intelligence in a fight, note Itachi at the time of death was 21. Compare that to the other top 5 ninjas u can name they are either in there 30s to 50s.