Where is the basis for that? It has NEVER said that EMS could suppress the abilities of Kurama or BM. Don't be criticizing and insulting people when you don't even know what you're talking about.
Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole army section. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT HASHIRAMA'S MOKUTON CAN SUPRESS THE KYUUBI'S CHAKRA. Mokuton is the strongest KKG aside from the eye dojutsus. Yamato admitted he was nowhere near the level of Hashirama Senju, and Madara was able to use such a powerful Mokuton technique with his first try. Now imagine how strong Hashirama's mastered version was.
Didn't Kabuto said he made him stronger than he was before by bringing him back? Who knows, that could have been just as strong as the First's wood style.
Didn't Kabuto said he made him stronger than he was before by bringing him back? Who knows, that could have been just as strong as the First's wood style.
Well we seen how easy it was for Minato to take control away from tobi... I'm sure that means something.
Tobi said he was a shadow of his former self. He's not comparable to EMS Madara.
Point is, Orochimaru's edo tensei was not complete, so we could assume that he wasn't able to bring back people at their full power. kabuto's was complete, so people could be brought back at full power. The video doesn't show Hashirama at full power IMO. Him and his brother were brushed aside by Hiruzen, remember this Hashirama > EMS Madara and Kyuubi. Therefore, you have to remember Hashirama is likely much stronger than that. Madara used Mokuton for the first time so there's no way it could've been as strong as Hashirama's mastered form.
I agree but W/ naruto's new speed how will hashirama keep up? How will he catch him w/ his moktun when he can't sees him? Won't naruto blitz him and how will hashirama suppress him? And you can't compare a raging bijuu to a complete jin.
OK so, I've seen some people claiming BM Naruto surpasses all other Hokage's. This is possibly true except for when it comes to the 1st Hokage. BM Naruto cannot defeat Hashirama Senju. This is why:
'Hashirama Senju is considered by many as the most powerful shinobi of his time. He was greatly respected by most shinobi during his lifetime, such that Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he respected the most as well as detested. His prowess and abilities were so great that he was able to not only fight on equal footing with Madara Uchiha despite his power of Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and having the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his side, but even gained victory in the end and survived the battle.'
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Hashirama did not use Kurama against Madara at ANY POINT in the battle. He simply wrestled it away from Madara and his wife sealed it inside of her. People think she then actively aided him in battle; no, she aided him because the 9 tails was locked away and couldn't be use by Madara. SIMPLE.
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Hashirama won against EMS Madara who had Kurama under his control. Dont forget this is Kurama with double the chakra (Yin chakra not sealed at the time). Hashirama controlled 7 tailed beasts at a point in time. 7. Base Naruto (no Kurama basically)< Madara. If Hashirama won, how on earth would Naruto beat him?
Hashirama can just suppress Kurama's chakra and a major source of Naruto's stamina and power is no longer available to him. Hence, BM and KM are rendered useless. Remember that necklace Tsunade passed down to Naruto which could control his Kyuubi chakra? Are you forgetting where it came from? Able to supress Kyuubi's chakra and look how small it is:
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Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood Release/Mokuton.
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Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole army section. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT HASHIRAMA'S MOKUTON CAN SUPRESS THE KYUUBI'S CHAKRA. Mokuton is the strongest KKG aside from the eye dojutsus. Yamato admitted he was nowhere near the level of Hashirama Senju, and Madara was able to use such a powerful Mokuton technique with his first try. Now imagine how strong Hashirama's mastered version was.
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Look at how many people have fought to get just a tiny bit of Hashirama's DNA. His chakra reserves were immense, and have subsequently allowed other shinobi's to amplify and control various other abilities. An entire Zetsu army was made out of his DNA. Tobi is flippin trying to grow another Hashirama for goodness sake:
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Hashirama also has Bringer of Darkness. Tell me WTF will Naruto do against that?
I'm not hating on Naruto or anything but people need to realise that Hashirama Senju would defeat him everytime.
What the? This isn't a versus thread, it's a discussion. I'm using evidence I've gathered to suggest why Hashirama would render BM Naruto useless. This certainly isn't a 'who would win Hashirama or........' type of thread.
Oh yea? you are chosing two characters and comapring and speculating on who would win or lose. It is a verss thread pretty much.
Secondly I countered your argument in the "discussion" and you come up with this lame reply? What makes you claim your post is a discussion and not mine?
I don't understand what the Madara part has to do with it. Hashirama could supress Bijuu chakra - that's got nothing to do with him taking control of it. How he got it from Madara is unknown but not really relevant to what i'm saying.
Read your Oiginal Post. You were the one going on and on about Madara. I showed you why that comaprison you made didn't stand here. And Now you don't understand what What Madara part in MY post had to do ?
Seriously if you are running out of gas this early on in the discussion that you cannot come up with any real counter to a simple post you shouldn't try to make such threads implying you have all the answers.
Actually, I believe he is discussing that Hashirama could suppress the ability of BM. I don't think he intentionally made this a versus thread. It just kinda became one.
Oh yea? you are chosing two characters and comapring and speculating on who would win or lose. It is a verss thread pretty much.
Secondly I countered your argument in the "discussion" and you come up with this lame reply? What makes you claim your post is a discussion and not mine?
Read your Oiginal Post. You were the one going on and on about Madara. I showed you why that comaprison you made didn't stand here. And Now you don't understand what What Madara part in MY post had to do ?
Seriously if you are running out of gas this early on in the discussion that you cannot come up with any real counter to a simple post you shouldn't try to make such threads implying you have all the answers.
Well firstly it's obvious you don't like me, you should just come out and say it. I don't know why though, I think i'm a nice guy .
A versus thread is 'who would win, X vs Y?'
I'm not making that kind of thread. Sorry if you interpreted that way. I'm simply trying to discuss and analyse why Naruto (BM) would be rendered useless by Hashirama's Mokuton. It's a debate. I don't really care about 'who's stronger' or who would simply just win, i'm more interested into why Naruto would not be able to use Kyuubi's chakra. That's my main point.
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Have you paid attention to the fact that Madara was not a jinchuriki but was controlling him with Sharingan.
I questionned what this had to do with Hashirama supressing Kyuubi's chakra. I said we didn't know how he got the Kyuubi from Madara's control. I didn't see what this had to do with Hashirama supressing (not controlling) Naruto's Kyuubi chakra, that's all.
The comparison was just to show that without Kyuubi's chakra Naruto wouldn't have enough in his arsenal to defeat Hashirama IMHO.
Once again, bolded part, that's your opinion if you believe it to be a 'vs' type thread and mine if I believe it to be a 'discussion' type thread. I have made versus and discussion threads before, so I put this in the discussion section because I felt it was more like this:
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and not this:
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This is just what I believed it to be like, nothing more.
Listen this is simple naruto in BM mode at the begining of fight jumps in the air as the fox shroud then forms a TBB as big as the one he used against the 5 tailed beasts and shoots it at Hashirama and thats the end
Listen this is simple naruto in BM mode at the begining of fight jumps in the air as the fox shroud then forms a TBB as big as the one he used against the 5 tailed beasts and shoots it at Hashirama and thats the end
No that's not what I'm getting at but if a simple contract seal was able to rid Tobi of the nine-tails, I'm sure the level of seals that The first could use would be on par with the level of an EMS Sharingan.
I'm not making that kind of thread. Sorry if you interpreted that way. I'm simply trying to discuss and analyse why Naruto (BM) would be rendered useless by Hashirama's Mokuton. It's a debate. I don't really care about 'who's stronger' or who would simply just win, i'm more interested into why Naruto would not be able to use Kyuubi's chakra. That's my main point.
So you chose a non issue to make your main point! I already explained how it was a versus situation twice. Versus threads are debate threads. Just because you maybe giving one word replies( which is against rules there too ) without actual debate it doesn't change anything.
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Have you paid attention to the fact that Madara was not a jinchuriki but was controlling him with Sharingan.
I questionned what this had to do with Hashirama supressing Kyuubi's chakra. I said we didn't know how he got the Kyuubi from Madara's control. I didn't see what this had to do with Hashirama supressing (not controlling) Naruto's Kyuubi chakra, that's all.
The comparison was just to show that without Kyuubi's chakra Naruto wouldn't have enough in his arsenal to defeat Hashirama IMHO.
You were going on and on about Madara. I mentioned that part to point out the difference in your comparison. You skipped the part where I compared Hashirama's abilities with Naruto directly-
I suggested Naruto could sense Hashirama as his genjutsu only affects eyes not other sense. You have no reply to that yet.
You skipped Naruto's BM reacting with Hashirama's wood tech as well.
So much for claims of debating. You are concentrating on everything but the real counters.
Once again, bolded part, that's your opinion if you believe it to be a 'vs' type thread and mine if I believe it to be a 'discussion' type thread. I have made versus and discussion threads before, so I put this in the discussion section because I felt it was more like this:
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and not this:
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This is just what I believed it to be like, nothing more.
And once again you waste time. I guess you find debating what is a versus thread easier than replying what Hashirama can do if Naruto can sense him through bringer of Darkness or his chakra reacts with his just hm like it reacted with Yamato and Zetsu.
You were going on and on about Madara. I mentioned that part to point out the difference in your comparison. You skipped the real point_
I suggested Naruto could sense Hashirama as his genjutsu only affects eyes not other sense. You have no reply to that yet.
You skipped Naruto's BM reacting with Hashirama's wood tech as well.
So much for clamis of debating. YOu are concentrating on everythin but the real counters.
And here again you waste time. I guess you find this easier than replying what Hashirama can do if naruto can sens him through bringer of Darkness or his chakra reacts with his just klike it reacted wiuth Yamato and Zetsu.
Well you avoided answering/replying to my points, simply brushing them off as 'stupid' or 'absurd'.
Anyway, about the 'intent' Naruto can sense in BM: I believed that this was for evil intent. Hence why I personally believed he couldn't sense Hashirama in BOD technique because Hashirama is not an evil person. You could say that it senses all negative intentions, so he'd definately sense Hashirama's intent to kill, but then how does Naruto tell/sense the difference between enemies trying to kill his friends and his friends trying to kill enemies? I could be wrong but we all make mistakes right?
Sure, Naruto could react to Mokuton but I don't think it would do anything really, once again IMO. We don't know actually what it would do so everyone is just second guessing when it comes to this point. I don't see how you expect me to answer that when it's likely you yourself do not truely know what would happen.
Non-issue? I just said I didn't believe it to be a versus thread that's all...............
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