[Discussion] Why does Smoker>>>>Zoro?

[TheHokage]

Well the seat position is a position even Law didnt possess, a position Doflamingo was holding until Law becomes strong enough. Pica is the executive Viola was fearing the most. Besides like i have said Rebecca said it again the Pica is the top/highest executive in the family, automatically puting him even above Vergo. And even if you dont believe it, the top executive are at least around the same general level, not worlds apart. Otherwise, Vergo would have been his right hand man something he wasnt, so Zoro fodderizing that level that easily says a lot

No he wasn't holding it until Law became strong enough it was until Law was ready to accept it. Viola was fearing him because he was on the island not to mention I don't understand how Viola fearing someone stronger than her overly hypes someone same with Rebecca it seems to me your to into ranks rather than the feats and context of the fights. Vergo was Doflamingo's most valuable subordinate and was practically Doflamingo's right hand man again by the context of Doflamingo stating he had known Vergo the longest which automatically put Vergo's position in the crew in it's own separate category.

So what you're saying is Zoro can neg diff Vergo who was clearly shown to be superior to Sanji, Law and Smoker in speed and strength...

Common sense tells u that Garp is a special exception in marines and is supposed to be an admiral or even above that level, u can't justify whole marine system with single person.

Regardless,Family has nothing to do with Marines. Pica is the highest executive of family now show me someone in family being weaker than people below his rank then we can talk.

And why can't Vergo be the special exception in the crew? You don't realize how hypocritical you are making yourselves sound...

Your last comment makes no sense what are you trying to say? but anyway Pica has the same title as Diamante and Trebol and do you think they are all the same strength?

 

[Fireplay]

all i saw was zoro talking mad shit and backing it up.

He wasn't backing it up until today though. All he was doing was blocking and slashing. The fight isn't over yet.

pica's obviously been avoiding zoro's attacks by going into the stone titan, if they were fighting on a different ground like dirt pica would get neg diffed.

Nope. We don't know that. Also, the fact that Pica can dodge by moving in and out of his titan or the ground itself doesn't mean he'd get neg-diffed and doesn't take away points from him. This is like taking points from Kizaru because he can use his light to "run" away. Also known as dodging. We don't know if Pica has been going into that titan or not and most likely he hasn't, he only went there to take out Robin, Bart and the Tontattas

what why wouldn't he fit in dressrosa? you know mountains come in different sizes right. he's obviously mountain sized the elbaf giant is an ant compared to pica titan.

In this case you can't really say that Pica is legit mountain size. You should use the term small mountain or something along those lines.

Pica is an ant compared to the mountain that Law cut.

zoro cuts steel like nothing, law cutting a mountain has to due with is df ability and nothing else while zoro uses skill and brute strength

."Nothing else" so you're saying that you can give Law's DF to lets say Tashigi and she'll be able to extend room to mountain range and then cut it like Law did? Nah, Law has trained his DF and himself in order to get to the level he is now. People try to make it sound easy.

Law can also cut steel like nothing though, so i don't really see the point Lol

what does this mean, i'm saying zoro used that attack cuz of pica's size not cuz of his strength, just like how luffy had to use grizzly magnum

zoro only used 1080 canon to protect robin, rebecca and bart, and it was due to pica's size why he used that attack not cause of pica's strength

^ This is what you said. I might've misunderstood it though...

 

[A v i]

And why can't Vergo be the special exception in the crew? You don't realize how hypocritical you are making yourselves sound...

Your last comment makes no sense what are you trying to say? but anyway Pica has the same title as Diamante and Trebol and do you think they are all the same strength?

Do u have any statement or an argument that helps u to prove that Vergo is special exception like Garp? At least I have a reason to say that Pica is stronger or he's is on the same level as Vergo but what kind of argument can u provide me to say that he's special like Garp? did anyone said that he refused top executive post? or Can u show me someone in family being weaker than someone below their rank?

You have no arguments,yet you are saying that I am being hypocritical? Lmao,not even sure if you are serious.

Pica is highest of executives which means that he's above other top executives in case of strength as well as fame.Won't take a genius to understand something simple as this.

 

[TheHokage]

Do u have any statement or an argument that helps u to prove that Vergo is special exception like Garp? At least I have a reason to say that Pica is stronger or he's is on the same level as Vergo but what kind of argument can u provide me to say that he's special like Garp? did anyone said that he refused top executive post? or Can u show me someone in family being weaker than someone below their rank?

You have no arguments,yet you are saying that I am being hypocritical? Lmao,not even sure if you are serious.

Pica is highest of executives which means that he's above other top executives in case of strength as well as fame.Won't take a genius to understand something simple as this.

What arguments do you possibly have to put Pica on a level above Vergo other than false hype and a title? At least Vergo has something called feats such as Fighting Law and actually beating him until he 'took' Law's attack and defeating Smoker who is arguably at the level of Luffy if a little weaker than him, not to mention Vergo was shown being able to easily over power Sanji who has always been portrayed to rival Zoro in the crew.

Yeah you are being hypocritical your saying I can't justify my statement of saying just because people have the same rank it doesn't mean their the same strength and because I used Garp as an example it doesn't count? Fair enough lets use another example are all the warlords the same strength are all the Admirals and the pirate captains the same strength no a rank is a rank it doesn't always mean the level of fighter you are and a featless character like Pica was no better than what Vice Admiral Bastielle was made out to be.

Pica could be the highest executive because of how important his role is in the crew I believe he's the one protecting the Smile factory isn't he see points of perspectives are all different it's just more favorable to your opinion of Zoro being able to fodder Doflamingo's strongest subordinate when you put Pica as the strongest.

I think you need to calm down and stop riding Zoro for a few moments and actually see the bigger picture because we all know you're trying to put Pica over Vergo so you can class Zoro as stronger than him...seriously this is why the Zoro fanbase has the worst reputation in the One Piece fandom. 'It's literally oh he did something cool he's strong' or it's 'Oh he used one move he solo's everyone'.

Going by what you say you make it seem like Zoro can fodder people like Smoker, Law and Sanji I just think your clearly overestimating Zoro because he's your favorite character.

 

[A v i]

What arguments do you possibly have to put Pica on a level above Vergo other than false hype and a title? At least Vergo has something called feats such as Fighting Law and actually beating him until he 'took' Law's attack and defeating Smoker who is arguably at the level of Luffy, not to mention Vergo was shown being able to easily over power Sanji who has always been portrayed to rival Zoro in the crew.

Yeah you are being hypocritical your saying I can't justify my statement of saying just because people have the same rank it doesn't mean their the same strength and because I used Garp as an example it doesn't count? Fair enough lets use another example are all the warlords the same strength are all the Admirals and the pirate captains the same strength no a rank is a rank it doesn't always mean the level of fighter you are and a featless character like Pica was no better than what Vice Admiral Bastielle was made out to be.

Pica could be the highest executive because of how important his role is in the crew I believe he's the one protecting the Smile factory isn't he see points of perspectives are all different it's just more favorable to your opinion of Zoro being able to fodder Doflamingo's strongest subordinate when you put Pica as the strongest.

I think you need to calm down and stop riding Zoro for a few moments and actually see the bigger picture because we all know you're trying to put Pica over Vergo so you can class Zoro as stronger than him...seriously this is why the Zoro fanbase has the worst reputation in the One Piece fandom. 'It's literally oh he did something cool he's strong' or it's 'Oh he used one move he solo's everyone'.

Going by what you say you make it seem like Zoro can fodder people like Smoker, Law and Sanji I just think your clearly overestimating Zoro because he's your favorite character.

Pica's title alone is more than enough proof to put him above Vergo or one the same level. Vergo was fodderized by Law which means that Law is considerably stronger than Vergo. Zoro is doing the same for Pica.

Smoker is one same level as Luffy? pure BS and no,Sanji has never been portrayed to be the rival of Zoro in terms of strength.

I don't even get why you are pulling WG and Warlords into this when we are talking about executives in Jokers crew. If u can show me someone in jokers crew being stronger than someone on a higher level then we can talk.

Lmao,I have never implied anything like Zoro can fodderize Smoker or Sanji let alone Zoro being stronger than Law. Don't pull shit out of nowhere. Law is clearly stronger than Zoro and I would admit it on any day of my life.

 

[Love Cook]

Smoker is one same level as Luffy? pure BS and no,Sanji has never been portrayed to be the rival of Zoro in terms of strength.

Do you read a fanmade version or do you just like to play dumb ?

 

[TheHokage]

Pica's title alone is more than enough proof to put him above Vergo or one the same level. Vergo was fodderized by Law which means that Law is considerably stronger than Vergo. Zoro is doing the same for Pica.

Smoker is one same level as Luffy? pure BS and no,Sanji has never been portrayed to be the rival of Zoro in terms of strength.

No it's not title doesn't = strength otherwise Ussop would be god level. A title is merely that a title the fact Pica has that title is because of how much Doflamingo cares for him as he views his executives as family since he's known them longer than all of his other crewmates except Vergo.

No Vergo was shown being cocky due to Doflamingo's confidence and took Law's full powered slash instead of trying to dodge and as we saw with Vergo being able to kick Law before Law could react proves Vergo's speed > Law's speed.

So the Marine that's consistently battling Luffy throughout the Grandline is suddenly not on his level and is now irrelevant do you not see how that is bad writing and would go against the consistent flow of Smoker chasing Luffy throughout the Grand Line?

Yeah Sanji has always been shown to rival Zoro now I'm not saying Zoro isn't stronger than Sanji but it's never to the point Zoro could fodder or mid diff him.

 

[Zorø]

What arguments do you possibly have to put Pica on a level above Vergo other than false hype and a title? At least Vergo has something called feats such as Fighting Law and actually beating him until he 'took' Law's attack and defeating Smoker who is arguably at the level of Luffy if a little weaker than him, not to mention Vergo was shown being able to easily over power Sanji who has always been portrayed to rival Zoro in the crew.

Yeah you are being hypocritical your saying I can't justify my statement of saying just because people have the same rank it doesn't mean their the same strength and because I used Garp as an example it doesn't count? Fair enough lets use another example are all the warlords the same strength are all the Admirals and the pirate captains the same strength no a rank is a rank it doesn't always mean the level of fighter you are and a featless character like Pica was no better than what Vice Admiral Bastielle was made out to be.

Pica could be the highest executive because of how important his role is in the crew I believe he's the one protecting the Smile factory isn't he see points of perspectives are all different it's just more favorable to your opinion of Zoro being able to fodder Doflamingo's strongest subordinate when you put Pica as the strongest.

I think you need to calm down and stop riding Zoro for a few moments and actually see the bigger picture because we all know you're trying to put Pica over Vergo so you can class Zoro as stronger than him...seriously this is why the Zoro fanbase has the worst reputation in the One Piece fandom. 'It's literally oh he did something cool he's strong' or it's 'Oh he used one move he solo's everyone'.

Going by what you say you make it seem like Zoro can fodder people like Smoker, Law and Sanji I just think your clearly overestimating Zoro because he's your favorite character.

Look what happened to smoker on punk hazard Lol and you say he on the same level as Luffy Lol....you have got to be high XD.....Zoro and Sanji are clearly not rivals in strength.....Zoro and luffy are the ones close in strength Oda has hinted this many timesU_U.......You dont even have any facts as to why Smoker>>Zoro if I was you I wouldnt even comment on this thread no more youre just talking bullshit.

 

[Fireplay]

Zoro should have his own forum. The wank is indescribable.

 

[TheHokage]

Look what happened to smoker on punk hazard Lol and you say he on the same level as Luffy Lol....you have got to be high XD.....Zoro and Sanji are clearly not rivals in strength.....Zoro and luffy are the ones close in strength Oda has hinted this many timesU_U.......You dont even have any facts as to why Smoker>>Zoro if I was you I wouldnt even comment on this thread no more youre just talking bullshit.

Look what happened to Smoker he got beat by high tiers...well done he's not the only character that's ever lost in a fight and to be honest in regards to Luffy the only opponent the two have battle with that's the same opponent was Doflamingo and look how that went Smoker was on his ass and so was Luffy.

Oda has always hinted Luffy>Zoro>Sanji and has always highlighted the greater rivalry of Zoro and Sanji since the two are always fighting with one another whether that's for comedic purposes is irrelevant the fact those two are highlighted more shows those two are more comparable in strength.

I don't have any facts you say? What facts do you actually have to put Zoro over Smoker other than one attack on an enemy who is frankly weaker than all the enemies Smoker battled on Punk Hazard?

 

[Zorø]

Look what happened to Smoker he got beat by high tiers...well done he's not the only character that's ever lost in a fight and to be honest in regards to Luffy the only opponent the two have battle with that's the same opponent was Doflamingo and look how that went Smoker was on his ass and so was Luffy.

Oda has always hinted Luffy>Zoro>Sanji and has always highlighted the greater rivalry of Zoro and Sanji since the two are always fighting with one another whether that's for comedic purposes is irrelevant the fact those two are highlighted more shows those two are more comparable in strength.

I don't have any facts you say? What facts do you actually have to put Zoro over Smoker other than one attack on an enemy who is frankly weaker than all the enemies Smoker battled on Punk Hazard?

Pica is stronger than Vergo U_U..and Zoro neg diff U_U.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

No one is underestimating smoker bro...I just cant see how you think Smoker is stronger than Zoro ...when this chapter Zoro basically fodderized Doffys top executive and Smoker couldnt even beat Vergo XD.

I think people underestimate the Vice Admirals in general.
Vergo was clearly levels above Pica. Are you saying Pica could beat Vergo?...
I think Zoro would struggle just as much with Vergo as Smoker did, same with Smoker and Pica.

 

[AC3]

Despite the Zoro fanwank in this thread...I suppose I'll throw my opinion in to why Smoker>=Zoro

1) Zoro has never lost? I'm sorry he got schooled by Enel he was tossed to the side by Lucci and was slashed by Mihawk if you take that fact in Zoro has lost the exact same amount of times Smoker has so I don't see your point. Not to mention Zoro is protected by the biggest plot shield ever of a promise he made not to lose until he battle Mihawk.

2) Wow Zoro did one move he is clearly above Smoker, it's fair to say that was Zoro's strongest attack that we've seen and still it wasn't quite up to par with Law's room full power slash.

3) Pica is not practically the same level as Vergo at all he has no feats other than a rank...this is the guy who claimed he could take out admirals and everyone else on the island, so saying Pica = Vergo is a baseless assumption as just because someone has a position of an executive position it doesn't mean they are all the same strength.

4) Try using common sense the whole Smoker chasing Luffy is consistent throughout the series and is going to continue to happen so why on earth would Oda have Smoker weaker than the second strongest in the straw hat crew when Smoker is gunning for the captains head while Tashigi has also been shown throughout being the one to clash with Zoro.

5) Smoker has only battled people stronger than Zoro since the start of the New World so trying to put Zoro ahead of Smoker at this moment of time is ridiculous. Until Zoro starts fighting high tiers like Vergo, Law or Doflamingo you can't put him on the same level as Smoker he simply hasn't shown enough on strong enough opponents.

6) Smoker is the Marine that's always rivaled Luffy in terms of strength when it comes to the two fighting and Luffy himself says it would be fun to fight Smoker at his full power indicating that Smoker is around the same level as Luffy since he would be a challenge for Luffy.

The fighting levels in my opinion goes a little like this.

Law=>Luffy=>Smoker=>Zoro>(Not by much)Sanji.




Actually Smoker is probably the most underestimated character at this moment in time...

Not to mention there's no proof at all that Pica is stronger or even remotely similar in power to Vergo...again a top executive position doesn't mean they are all the same strength. Also there's no proof Zoro could beat Vergo since it took slicing a Mountain and then some in half to beat him...while Zoro's strongest attack didn't cut Pica in half.

This guy knows what he is talking bout :hooray:

 

[A v i]

Do you read a fanmade version or do you just like to play dumb ?

I would actually like to ask u the same. If u think their funny rivalry hints that their strength is same then I don't have to point out the the one who's playing dumb here.

No it's not title doesn't = strength otherwise Ussop would be god level. A title is merely that a title the fact Pica has that title is because of how much Doflamingo cares for him as he views his executives as family since he's known them longer than all of his other crewmates except Vergo.

No Vergo was shown being cocky due to Doflamingo's confidence and took Law's full powered slash instead of trying to dodge and as we saw with Vergo being able to kick Law before Law could react proves Vergo's speed > Law's speed.

So the Marine that's consistently battling Luffy throughout the Grandline is suddenly not on his level and is now irrelevant do you not see how that is bad writing and would go against the consistent flow of Smoker chasing Luffy throughout the Grand Line?

Yeah Sanji has always been shown to rival Zoro now I'm not saying Zoro isn't stronger than Sanji but it's never to the point Zoro could fodder or mid diff him.

Are u even being serious when typing this argument? First Garp and now it's time for usopp?Lmao, not even sure if serious. Everyone knows that how exactly Usopp got his name and I don't even get why you are using out side arguments to justify Jokers crew. I want u to show me someone in Joker's crew being stronger than someone with a high rank or at least a hint that suggests that Vergo is a special exception. You clearly failed to bring me the argument and now you are using excuses to make your point legit? Lmao,please.

There is no proof that suggests that Vergo didn't tried to dodge it. Even if he was being cocky,Law shouldn't be able to react to Vergo and managed to cut him in half if he's weaker than Vergo. Especially not when Vergo was in his strongest form and no need to mention Vergo was pissed by Law's actions.

Smoker constantly fighting Luffy changes nothing here. Don't bring pre TS arguments to justify current power scaling otherwise Zoro = Luffy coz they stalemated during their battle whiskey peak.

No one said that Zoro can fodderize Sanji and no they have never been portrayed to be rivals in terms of strength.

I think people underestimate the Vice Admirals in general.
Vergo was clearly levels above Pica. Are you saying Pica could beat Vergo?...
I think Zoro would struggle just as much with Vergo as Smoker did, same with Smoker and Pica.

Totally baseless statement.

 

[Zorø]

This guy doesnt know what he is talking bout :hooray:

Fixed it for you

 

[Zorø]

I think people underestimate the Vice Admirals in general.
Vergo was clearly levels above Pica. Are you saying Pica could beat Vergo?...
I think Zoro would struggle just as much with Vergo as Smoker did, same with Smoker and Pica.

Yes I am saying that Pica can beat vergo because he has a higher rank(which is not always the case) I dont think Zoro would struggle as much against vergo because we have yet to see Zoro's full strength and his techs that hes been learning from Mihawk....we dont know what Zoro is capable ofU_U......we have seen what Smoker is capable of.....and if he was capable of anything more than what weve seen in his fight against vergo he wouldve resortedit and not be beaten to a pulp. Zoro is clearly stronger and will always will be.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I would actually like to ask u the same. If u think their funny rivalry hints that their strength is same then I don't have to point out the the one who's playing dumb here.




Are u even being serious when typing this argument? First Garp and now it's time for usopp?Lmao, not even sure if serious. Everyone knows that how exactly Usopp got his name and I don't even get why you are using out side arguments to justify Jokers crew. I want u to show me someone in Joker's crew being stronger than someone with a high rank or at least a hint that suggests that Vergo is a special exception. You clearly failed to bring me the argument and now you are using excuses to make your point legit? Lmao,please.

There is no proof that suggests that Vergo didn't tried to dodge it. Even if he was being cocky,Law shouldn't be able to react to Vergo and managed to cut him in half if he's weaker than Vergo. Especially not when Vergo was in his strongest form and no need to mention Vergo was pissed by Law's actions.

Smoker constantly fighting Luffy changes nothing here. Don't bring pre TS arguments to justify current power scaling otherwise Zoro = Luffy coz they stalemated during their battle whiskey peak.

No one said that Zoro can fodderize Sanji and no they have never been portrayed to be rivals in terms of strength.




Totally baseless statement.

Zoro beating a 2200+ dokiri giraffe? Sanji beating a 2180+ dokiri wolf(faster than Zoro did btw)?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Totally baseless statement.

How is it baseless? Vergo when not in his full body CoA mode made a huge dent in a steel wall, that wasn't even his full body CoA mode...

Yes I am saying that Pica can beat vergo because he has a higher rank(which is not always the case) I dont think Zoro would struggle as much against vergo because we have yet to see Zoro's full strength and his techs that hes been learning from Mihawk....we dont know what Zoro is capable ofU_U......we have seen what Smoker is capable of.....and if he was capable of anything more than what weve seen in his fight against vergo he wouldve resortedit and not be beaten to a pulp. Zoro is clearly stronger and will always will be.

That logic is just awful.
We haven't seen his full strength, simple. He fought a weaker opponent than Smoker did, Pica was weaker than Vergo, that's why.
Vergo and Pica were both the same rank, elite officers, as far as I can remember.

He can't always be stronger, as pre skip, Smoker was levels above Zoro...

 

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[TheHokage]

I would actually like to ask u the same. If u think their funny rivalry hints that their strength is same then I don't have to point out the the one who's playing dumb here.




Are u even being serious when typing this argument? First Garp and now it's time for usopp?Lmao, not even sure if serious. Everyone knows that how exactly Usopp got his name and I don't even get why you are using out side arguments to justify Jokers crew. I want u to show me someone in Joker's crew being stronger than someone with a high rank or at least a hint that suggests that Vergo is a special exception. You clearly failed to bring me the argument and now you are using excuses to make your point legit? Lmao,please.

There is no proof that suggests that Vergo didn't tried to dodge it. Even if he was being cocky,Law shouldn't be able to react to Vergo and managed to cut him in half if he's weaker than Vergo. Especially not when Vergo was in his strongest form and no need to mention Vergo was pissed by Law's actions.

Smoker constantly fighting Luffy changes nothing here. Don't bring pre TS arguments to justify current power scaling otherwise Zoro = Luffy coz they stalemated during their battle whiskey peak.

No one said that Zoro can fodderize Sanji and no they have never been portrayed to be rivals in terms of strength.




Totally baseless statement.

Again you missed the point I'm trying to make...the title of one character does not automatically equal their strength how is that so hard to comprehend?

Smoker fighting Luffy is pre-timeskip? Are you sure I remember even when in Tashigi's body the first thing Smoker did was attack Luffy so it seems to me when they meet again the same thing will occur not to mention Luffy himself stated it wouldn't be fun to fight Smoker unless Smoker could use his full power and Luffy would only ever class a fight as fun if the person he was fighting was actually a challenge to him.

You're Zoro = Luffy statement at Whiskey Peak would be true if it wasn't for the Enes Lobby arc where it was clearly shown by the use of Douruki (or however you spell it) that Luffy was fighting a far superior opponent.

I see you've ignored all the moments Sanji and Zoro have been rivaled such as when they battled opponents in Enes Lobby with a power difference of 20 or when the moment the two met after timeskip they practically started fighting and throughout the series the two have always argued, threatened and fought each other.

Bold: Not really baseless means there is nothing to prove my statement while feats are far greater than false hype and a title which is all Pica has come back when Pica can bend metal walls with purely the after shock of his Haki blows.

Pica is stronger than Vergo ..and Zoro neg diff .

So Zoro can neg diff Sanji and Smoker? Please it's hard to tell whether your trolling or just plain stupid. You're biasness towards your favorite character makes it impossible for you to come up with a reasonable argument other than Pica is stronger than Vergo (No evidence to prove this) so he must be stronger than Vergo.

There's no way Zoro can neg diff Vice Admirals on Vergo's level.