[Discussion] Why does Smoker>>>>Zoro?

[Fireplay]

doesn't matter if they fights over or not, oda already showed the strength gap between Zoro and Pica.

Smoker didn't do well against Vergo none of his hits even hurt him. Vergo wasn't even trying, when he started trying he blocked Smokers haki punch with his face and broke Smoker jitte easily, if he went full body haki from the beginning he would low diffed smoker.

Then based off of that he would've Low-diffed Zoro aswell...Oda never showed strength gap between Zoro and Pica, Zoro was simply spewing cockiness. What Vergo did to Smoker wasn't easy.

Now, look at it this way. Now that Zoro cut Pica people are saying that Zoro>Smoker and Vergo when in reality they've misunderstood the whole situation.

Pica got fodderised by 1080PP which is Zoro's strongest PP at the moment. Law had to use a slash that cut an entire mountain in order to take Vergo down. 1080PP wont do shit to Vergo, assuming that it even hits him.

Cutting up a whole mountain>>>>>>>>>>Zoro's small feat today.

 

[juzumaki]

I think Smoker > Zoro and the gap between Smoker and Zoro is shorter than the gap between Luffy and Zoro.
I just think Smoker was already high above Zoro pre skip and Zoro can't handle a top end Vice Admiral at current time. I'm one of the few who doesn't underestimate the third strongest force the Marines have, the Vice Admirals U__U

by that logic bartolomeo is stronger than zoro since he took out a VA without even trying

 

[A v i]

Zoro is clearly stronger than Smoker.

 

[KingHashirama]

Then based off of that he would've Low-diffed Zoro aswell...Oda never showed strength gap between Zoro and Pica, Zoro was simply spewing cockiness. What Vergo did to Smoker wasn't easy.

Now, look at it this way. Now that Zoro cut Pica people are saying that Zoro>Smoker and Vergo when in reality they've misunderstood the whole situation.

Pica got fodderised by 1080PP which is Zoro's strongest PP at the moment. Law had to use a slash that cut an entire mountain in order to take Vergo down. 1080PP wont do shit to Vergo, assuming that it even hits him.

Cutting up a whole mountain>>>>>>>>>>Zoro's small feat today.

1. You are confusing a DF fruit ability for an actual slash

2. Actually Zoro hasn't even gone all out

3. Pica was being held by a Zoro who was chilling

4. Luffy and Zoro are going to come out as the 2 strongest pirates by the end of this arc.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

by that logic bartolomeo is stronger than zoro since he took out a VA without even trying

Lool
Barto gets r@ped by Zoro...and Barto will enjoy being pounded by Zoro Senpai

 

[Dr Strangelove]

by that logic bartolomeo is stronger than zoro since he took out a VA without even trying

By that logic you should read my post clearer,
top end Vice Admiral. Maynard was clearer at the lower end of the Vice Admirals.

 

[Zorø]

Then based off of that he would've Low-diffed Zoro aswell...Oda never showed strength gap between Zoro and Pica, Zoro was simply spewing cockiness. What Vergo did to Smoker wasn't easy.

Now, look at it this way. Now that Zoro cut Pica people are saying that Zoro>Smoker and Vergo when in reality they've misunderstood the whole situation.

Pica got fodderised by 1080PP which is Zoro's strongest PP at the moment. Law had to use a slash that cut an entire mountain in order to take Vergo down. 1080PP wont do shit to Vergo, assuming that it even hits him.

Cutting up a whole mountain>>>>>>>>>>Zoro's small feat today.

That Pica statue is roughly the same size if not a bit smaller than a mountain so there is no way in hell Zoro's 1080pp is a small feat U_U...and Zoro>>>Vergo mid diff..

 

[Black Mamba]

Then based off of that he would've Low-diffed Zoro aswell...Oda never showed strength gap between Zoro and Pica, Zoro was simply spewing cockiness. What Vergo did to Smoker wasn't easy.

Now, look at it this way. Now that Zoro cut Pica people are saying that Zoro>Smoker and Vergo when in reality they've misunderstood the whole situation.

Pica got fodderised by 1080PP which is Zoro's strongest PP at the moment. Law had to use a slash that cut an entire mountain in order to take Vergo down. 1080PP wont do shit to Vergo, assuming that it even hits him.

Cutting up a whole mountain>>>>>>>>>>Zoro's small feat today.

Oda clearly showed a power gap between Zoro and Pica...... nothing to add on to that it's pretty visible in the manga.

Law cutting up mountains is his ability he can cut anything in his room range, while Zoro raw physical strength you can't compare them.

Pica is Doflamingo's top executive, Zoro is neg diffing him despite location advantage Pica has.

since Vergo got one shotted by Law it's safe to say he's around Pica's level and vergo > smoker so it's safe to say zoro >smoker.

 

[Fireplay]

1. You are confusing a DF fruit ability for an actual slash

2. Actually Zoro hasn't even gone all out

3. Pica was being held by a Zoro who was chilling

4. Luffy and Zoro are going to come out as the 2 strongest pirates by the end of this arc.

1. Point remains that in order for Law to beat Vergo he had to cut down a whole mountain in the process

2. Neither has Pica. Zoro only cut the titan Pica which is the easiest one to beat...Luffy oneshotted it

3. Neither have gone all out yet. Zoro wasn't chilling...he was fighting.

4. And what do you mean with that? 2 strongest pirates in the island? i disagree. Law>Zoro.

Oda clearly showed a power gap between Zoro and Pica...... nothing to add on to that it's pretty visible in the manga.

Law cutting up mountains is his ability he can cut anything in his room range, while Zoro raw physical strength you can't compare them.

Pica is Doflamingo's top executive, Zoro is neg diffing him despite location advantage Pica has.

since Vergo got one shotted by Law it's safe to say he's around Pica's level and vergo > smoker so it's safe to say zoro >smoker.

Show me how Oda has displayed this "gap". Even though Law can cut anything in his room that doesn't mean that all his slashes extend to mountain range...even if his room is as big as a mountain it doesn't mean his slashes will extend that far. It took a mountain range slash in order to bypass Vergo's Haki. Law's feat dwarfs Zoro's feat by a mile.

Pica isn't getting neg-diffed. The fight isn't even over yet not to mention neg-diff is Zoro vs Monet.

This is more of a Mid-diff but Pica will soon go all out.

Pica's titan got oneshotted by Zoro, Vergo got oneshotted by Law's mountain range slash....You can't compare the two.

Vergo>Smoker>Zoro>Pica

If Zoro is forced to use his high-end moves against someone then that definately is no "neg-diff"

 

[Zorø]

I think Smoker > Zoro and the gap between Smoker and Zoro is shorter than the gap between Luffy and Zoro.
I just think Smoker was already high above Zoro pre skip and Zoro can't handle a top end Vice Admiral at current time. I'm one of the few who doesn't underestimate the third strongest force the Marines have, the Vice Admirals U__U

No one is underestimating smoker bro...I just cant see how you think Smoker is stronger than Zoro ...when this chapter Zoro basically fodderized Doffys top executive and Smoker couldnt even beat Vergo XD.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Point remains that in order for Law to beat Vergo he had to cut down a whole mountain in the process

2. Neither has Pica. Zoro only cut the titan Pica which is the easiest one to beat...Luffy oneshotted it

3. Neither have gone all out yet. Zoro wasn't chilling...he was fighting.

4. And what do you mean with that? 2 strongest pirates in the island? i disagree. Law>Zoro.

1. Again, take out Law's df ability that naturall lets him cut things in half with ease.. he ain't even on Zoro's level.. in fact hes not even a swordsman like Zoro.. So please try to understand the difference.

2. Yes pica trying his best isn't going all out at all

3. Chilling is a reference to him taking it easy..

4. Yes 2 strongest pirates on the island.. by the end of this arc. Something that will set them up like Roger and Rayleigh.

 

[TheHokage]

Despite the Zoro fanwank in this thread...I suppose I'll throw my opinion in to why Smoker>=Zoro

1) Zoro has never lost? I'm sorry he got schooled by Enel he was tossed to the side by Lucci and was slashed by Mihawk if you take that fact in Zoro has lost the exact same amount of times Smoker has so I don't see your point. Not to mention Zoro is protected by the biggest plot shield ever of a promise he made not to lose until he battle Mihawk.

2) Wow Zoro did one move he is clearly above Smoker, it's fair to say that was Zoro's strongest attack that we've seen and still it wasn't quite up to par with Law's room full power slash.

3) Pica is not practically the same level as Vergo at all he has no feats other than a rank...this is the guy who claimed he could take out admirals and everyone else on the island, so saying Pica = Vergo is a baseless assumption as just because someone has a position of an executive position it doesn't mean they are all the same strength.

4) Try using common sense the whole Smoker chasing Luffy is consistent throughout the series and is going to continue to happen so why on earth would Oda have Smoker weaker than the second strongest in the straw hat crew when Smoker is gunning for the captains head while Tashigi has also been shown throughout being the one to clash with Zoro.

5) Smoker has only battled people stronger than Zoro since the start of the New World so trying to put Zoro ahead of Smoker at this moment of time is ridiculous. Until Zoro starts fighting high tiers like Vergo, Law or Doflamingo you can't put him on the same level as Smoker he simply hasn't shown enough on strong enough opponents.

6) Smoker is the Marine that's always rivaled Luffy in terms of strength when it comes to the two fighting and Luffy himself says it would be fun to fight Smoker at his full power indicating that Smoker is around the same level as Luffy since he would be a challenge for Luffy.

The fighting levels in my opinion goes a little like this.

Law=>Luffy=>Smoker=>Zoro>(Not by much)Sanji.

No one is underestimating smoker bro...I just cant see how you think Smoker is stronger than Zoro ...when this chapter Zoro basically fodderized Doffys top executive and Smoker couldnt even beat Vergo .

Actually Smoker is probably the most underestimated character at this moment in time...

Not to mention there's no proof at all that Pica is stronger or even remotely similar in power to Vergo...again a top executive position doesn't mean they are all the same strength. Also there's no proof Zoro could beat Vergo since it took slicing a Mountain and then some in half to beat him...while Zoro's strongest attack didn't cut Pica in half.

 

[Black Mamba]

Show me how Oda has displayed this "gap". Even though Law can cut anything in his room that doesn't mean that all his slashes extend to mountain range...even if his room is as big as a mountain it doesn't mean his slashes will extend that far. It took a mountain range slash in order to bypass Vergo's Haki. Law's feat dwarfs Zoro's feat by a mile.

Pica isn't getting neg-diffed. The fight isn't even over yet not to mention neg-diff is Zoro vs Monet.

This is more of a Mid-diff but Pica will soon go all out.

Pica's titan got oneshotted by Zoro, Vergo got oneshotted by Law's mountain range slash....You can't compare the two.

Vergo>Smoker>Zoro>Pica

If Zoro is forced to use his high-end moves against someone then that definately is no "neg-diff"

did you see the fight scene? if you don't see the power gap between the two than you're delusional and i wouldn't be able to convince you otherwise.

it's more of a low diff, i didn't mean for you to take me saying "neg diff" literally that's my fault. only reason zoro can't neg diff him is pica's location advantage and he's able to ran everytime zoro attacks.

pica's titan is mountain sized and is solid stone and zoro one shotted it with brute force, while law cut a mountain and vergo because of his room range and not cause of sheer strength.... you can't compare them.

zoro only used 1080 canon to protect robin, rebecca and bart, and it was due to pica's size why he used that attack not cause of pica's strength

 

[Bogard]

- In PH, Tashigi(who knows Smoker) was baffled by Zoros strength, and was actually questioning how strong Zoro really was to be capable to beat such a logia opponent that easily. Her reaction says a lot

- Rebecca said it again this chapter that Pica is the top executive. Oda drawing Zoro fodderize him was to symbolise the difference in level between the one who will one day become the strongest swordsman and Doflamingos top executive. Vergo(Doflamingos executive) mid diffed Smoker and called him weak. Zoro low diffs Doflamingos top executive and call him weak

Things cant be more clearer to me

 

[KingHashirama]

2) Wow Zoro did one move he is clearly above Smoker, it's fair to say that was Zoro's strongest attack that we've seen and still it wasn't quite up to par with Law's room full power slash.

^^^ That is Law's ability.. he can easily cut things without applying any power. And when he does use alot of power he increases his radious of the circle.. and cuts bigger things. That however, has nothing to do with sheer power like Zoro's cut.

That is the difference between those 2. Mihawk hasn't shown anything like Law either.. but Mihawk will annihilate Law in sword fight..

 

[TheHokage]

- In PH, Tashigi(who knows Smoker) was baffled by Zoros strength, and was actually questioning how strong Zoro really was to be capable to beat such a logia opponent that easily. Her reaction says a lot

- Rebecca said it again this chapter that Pica is the top executive. Oda drawing Zoro fodderize him was to symbolise the difference in level between the one who will one day become the strongest swordsman and Doflamingos top executive. Vergo(Doflamingos executive) mid diffed Smoker and called him weak. Zoro low diffs Doflamingos top executive and call him weak

Things cant be more clearer to me

Except the fact your putting Pica on the same strength as Vergo since they have the same rank...doesn't work like that since not all the Vice Admirals are as strong as Garp are they and again if you think the Marine that's constantly fighting Luffy is going to be on lower level to Luffy's second strongest in the crew then you're clearly not using common sense.

 

[Bogard]

Except the fact your putting Pica on the same strength as Vergo since they have the same rank...doesn't work like that since not all the Vice Admirals are as strong as Garp are they and again if you think the Marine that's constantly fighting Luffy is going to be on lower level to Luffy's second strongest in the crew then you're clearly not using common sense.

Well the seat position is a position even Law didnt possess, a position Doflamingo was holding until Law becomes strong enough. Pica is the executive Viola was fearing the most. Besides like i have said Rebecca said it again the Pica is the top/highest executive in the family, automatically puting him even above Vergo. And even if you dont believe it, the top executive are at least around the same general level, not worlds apart. Otherwise, Vergo would have been his right hand man something he wasnt, so Zoro fodderizing that level that easily says a lot

 

[A v i]

Except the fact your putting Pica on the same strength as Vergo since they have the same rank...doesn't work like that since not all the Vice Admirals are as strong as Garp are they and again if you think the Marine that's constantly fighting Luffy is going to be on lower level to Luffy's second strongest in the crew then you're clearly not using common sense.

Common sense tells u that Garp is a special exception in marines and is supposed to be an admiral or even above that level, u can't justify whole marine system with single person.

Regardless,Family has nothing to do with Marines. Pica is the highest executive of family now show me someone in family being weaker than people below his rank then we can talk.

 

[Fireplay]

did you see the fight scene? if you don't see the power gap between the two than you're delusional and i wouldn't be able to convince you otherwise.

All i saw was Zoro fighting Pica and talking mad sh*t.

it's more of a low diff, i didn't mean for you to take me saying "neg diff" literally that's my fault. only reason zoro can't neg diff him is pica's location advantage and he's able to ran everytime zoro attacks.

As you can see from their fights throughout all these chapters, Pica didn't "run" until now.

pica's titan is mountain sized and is solid stone and zoro one shotted it with brute force, while law cut a mountain and vergo because of his room range and not cause of sheer strength.... you can't compare them.

You do realise that if Pica's titan was the size of a mountain it wouldn't even fit in Dressrosa right?

Pica's titan is nowhere near mountain size and its made of stone. Metal, steel etc. are harder to cut than stone. Which Law pulled off at mountain range.

zoro only used 1080 canon to protect robin, rebecca and bart, and it was due to pica's size why he used that attack not cause of pica's strength

If Zoro is using an attack to save his friends life i expect him to use a high-end attack. He wouldn't take any risks and go wiht a low-end attack. Not to mention Zoro himself said after the attack "looks like i've finally got the hang of it" which means he was having difficulties with 1080P. He's clearly been training that attack for a long time now and only now has mastered it.

 

[Black Mamba]

All i saw was Zoro fighting Pica and talking mad sh*t.

all i saw was zoro talking mad shit and backing it up.

As you can see from their fights throughout all these chapters, Pica didn't "run" until now.

pica's obviously been avoiding zoro's attacks by going into the stone titan, if they were fighting on a different ground like dirt pica would get neg diffed.

You do realise that if Pica's titan was the size of a mountain it wouldn't even fit in Dressrosa right?

Pica's titan is nowhere near mountain size and its made of stone. Metal, steel etc. are harder to cut than stone. Which Law pulled off at mountain range.

what why wouldn't he fit in dressrosa? you know mountains come in different sizes right. he's obviously mountain sized the elbaf giant is an ant compared to pica titan.

zoro cuts steel like nothing, law cutting a mountain has to due with is df ability and nothing else while zoro uses skill and brute strength.

If Zoro is using an attack to save his friends life i expect him to use a high-end attack. He wouldn't take any risks and go wiht a low-end attack. Not to mention Zoro himself said after the attack "looks like i've finally got the hang of it" which means he was having difficulties with 1080P. He's clearly been training that attack for a long time now and only now has mastered it.

what does this mean, i'm saying zoro used that attack cuz of pica's size not cuz of his strength, just like how luffy had to use grizzly magnum