Why does Hashirama not get the respect he deserves?

[chaos control]

Guy, you realize that even if I add those filler characters that's still less than 1% of the NV?

They are all canon characters. Hamura, Momoshiki and Kinshiki even appeared in the manga.

 

[Koibito]

Since when is Hamura and the rest of the ohtsutsuki characters fillers? And it’s not less than 1% at all that’s stupid considering that there’s a whole clan of those aliens. But considering the fact that you resorted into calling the likes of Hamura a filler character for the sake of Hashirama, then there’s no helping you.

Lol so now we are including characters that have never been introduced to undercut hashirama? Let's stick to real characters. Even if you include the narutoverse and borutoverse, and yes, there needs to be a distinction*, the amount of people who could possibly defeat hashirama would be much less than 1%:

Hamura
Toneri
Kinshiki
Momoshiki
RinneSasuke
RSM Naruto
Madara
Juubito
Kaguya
8 gates
Hagoromo
Sage enhanced Kakashi

Thats only 12 people and half of them are maybe's but just for shitts lets say there are 20 people able to defeat hashi. Unless the NV only has 2000 people in it Hashi > 99%. Facts.

*And before somebody calls me out:
The boruto manga is an extension, not a natural continuation, of the naruto manga similar to how the dragon ball super manga is an extension of the dragon ball manga with a different artist and writer. Both are pretty much cash cows at this point.

 

[Sauce]

If you haven't realized, only like 4-5 characters get wanked on this site, while the rest are lost in obscurity.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Or maybe I just see that this whole post Shippuden phase is just a cash grab and not worth adding to the canon?

A clan that doesn't exist yet. When they exist, you can start saying Hashi doesn't beat 99%

Hamura is in shippuden along with Hagoromoo, so your point is invalid there. The Ohtsutsuki clan does exist, and it’s been stated to exist already but whether you believe it or not is not up to you. And that’s something that you need to realize. The whole concept and the databook information is all Kishi’s work, the rest is just his worker carrying on what he decided not to continue in his name.

And like I said, Hashirama does not solo 99% of the narutoverse, only Juubi and its jinchuurikis do.
Even Bsm naruto surpassed him in feats and destructive power.

 

[Calpal]

i think youre letting the few speak over the many.

Hashi is the GOaT

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Sasori could beat Hashirama. He is overhyped in this base. There are tons of people capable of beating him, but fans wont admit it.

 

[Styles]

Not sure why but Hashirama seems to get swept under the rug a lot on the forums.

This is the man that beat EMS Madara + Kyuubi in his prime.
He also beat Edo Madara as a weaker version of himself.

Give some respect to the First.

Stopped reading.

 

[Mellanoma]

Wrong.
And the fact that you did not Hamura, Toneri, Kinshiki, and even Momoshiki further prove my point on how overrated he. There’s a line of people that beat him.

His point of 1% is still valid:

as 100k+ opponents (adding shinobi + Zetsu) maybe more would mean

12(People you and him listed) / 100000 = 0.00012

0.01% > 0.00012%


im sure you will have a come back but it is what it is. Still less than 1%

Stopped reading.

He did beat Madara though

 

[salamander uchiha]

Stopped reading.

Pretty much same here

need to learn math.

His point of 1% is still valid:

as 100k+ opponents (adding shinobi + Zetsu) maybe more would mean

12(People you and him listed) / 100000 = 0.00012

0.01% > 0.00012%


im sure you will have a come back but it is what it is. Still less than 1%

Hashirama is overhyped even with all his power he died in the first war. With the power displayed he should've won the war and brought peace but he couldn't. Somebody/s drove him to his death.

Some fans just ride the **** train.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

His point of 1% is still valid:

as 100k+ opponents (adding shinobi + Zetsu) maybe more would mean

12(People you and him listed) / 100000 = 0.00012

0.01% > 0.00012%


im sure you will have a come back but it is what it is. Still less than 1%




He did beat Madara though

How is hashirama top 20 characters when kakuzu and deidara can beat him going just by his current abilities? I dont know if he has any other move up his sleeve, but he has no counter against a clone c0.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

His point of 1% is still valid:

as 100k+ opponents (adding shinobi + Zetsu) maybe more would mean

12(People you and him listed) / 100000 = 0.00012

0.01% > 0.00012%


im sure you will have a come back but it is what it is. Still less than 1%

I do have a comeback but I didn’t come here to argue. I just want someone to see things logically not subjectively. Me trying to argue that Hashirama isn’t the strongest is like me going to Comicvine and saying Thor isn’t the strongest or DBZ/S forum and saying that Jiren is not the strongest.

Every forum has that one guy that is believed to be superior to everybody regardless of how illogical it sounds. So it’s just opinion base replies I’ve been getting left and right. I’m yet to see a single fact from these people.

He did beat Madara though

He never beat edo Madara. Obito kept absorbing their jutsus and Madara already implanted his rods into Hashirama at the end of their dispute. He was just waiting on naruto so that he can switch place, after that he completely suppressed Hashirama.

 

[123fire]

nah Hashirama is cool and OP

 

[Edogawa]

I don't think anyone hates Hashirama since it's unnatural to hate a mere fictional character. But Hashirama does have a legitimately retarded fanbase. So the problem isn't with Hashirama but his fanbase who fail to put limitations on his power. I've said it before and I'll repeat it again: If the Rikudo concept was not introduced, Hashirama would indeed be the ultimate character, but he's not due to the existence of Rikudo power. So this means Hashirama is weaker these character list:

-Hagoromo
-Hamura
-Kaguya
-Toneri
-JJ Obito or Rinnegan Obito
-Momoshiki
-JJ Madara or Rinnegan Madara
-Nagato or 6 Paths of Pain
-Rinnegan Sasuke
-RSM Naruto
-BM Minato
-Kabuto
-Shisui or Danzo (KA)

If we exclude those characters, Hashirama is then indeed strongest character. But as long as those characters exist, Hashirama is not and will never be the strongest.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

I don't think anyone hates Hashirama since it's unnatural to hate a mere fictional character. But Hashirama does have a legitimately retarded fanbase. So the problem isn't with Hashirama but his fanbase who fail to put limitations on his power. I've said it before and I'll repeat it again: If the Rikudo concept was not introduced, Hashirama would indeed be the ultimate character, but he's not due to the existence of Rikudo power. So this means Hashirama is weaker these character list:

-Hagoromo
-Hamura
-Kaguya
-Toneri
-JJ Obito or Rinnegan Obito
-Momoshiki
-JJ Madara or Rinnegan Madara
-Nagato or 6 Paths of Pain
-Rinnegan Sasuke
-RSM Naruto
-BM Minato
-Kabuto
-Shisui or Danzo (KA)

If we exclude those characters, Hashirama is then indeed strongest character. But as long as those characters exist, Hashirama is not and will never be the strongest.

Hashirama is not within top 20 characters counting hype. Hiruzen prime beats him. Including orochimaru prime.

 

[Oblivionx]

Hashirama is unnaturally strong. He got blessed with KKG just like uchihas but uchihas at least had a history around their KKG. When you make a character that strong, then there are gonna be some who over-hype it and some who undermine it. Because power makes characters relevant in vs section. I personally don't like his character because it distorts power scaling. When simple shinobis saw him and madara fighting, they felt the same uselessness as they did against jubi. Characters like minato, itachi, obito, tobirama, jiraya etc are broken too, but they all had their flaws which enabled normal shinobis to at least have a go at them. Heck i rate tobi/obito higher than hashirama and yet danzo's guards fought him for sometime. Against hashirama, they would have been a paste before getting anywhere near him.
PS. he didn't beat edo madara. That version of madara is way superior to hashirama.

 

[Styles]

His point of 1% is still valid:

as 100k+ opponents (adding shinobi + Zetsu) maybe more would mean

12(People you and him listed) / 100000 = 0.00012

0.01% > 0.00012%


im sure you will have a come back but it is what it is. Still less than 1%




He did beat Madara though

But he didn't beat edo Madara tho.

 

[Umari Senju]

Wrong.
And the fact that you did not Hamura, Toneri, Kinshiki, and even Momoshiki further prove my point on how overrated he. There’s a line of people that beat him.

You may be UNDERrating him a bit. The lineup you just mentioned aren’t ninja but god tier people who, barring Kaguya, didn’t even show up on the field until long after Hashi’s time. Can they beat him? Yes. But they can also beat Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, etc via 1vs1.

Compared to most other ninja save Madara, they loose to Hashi. He is powerful to the point of almost being broken.

Most of it is hype sure. But what few battle we did see him in proved that the hype was, at least, somewhat warranted.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You may be UNDERrating him a bit. The lineup you just mentioned aren’t ninja but god tier people who, barring Kaguya, didn’t even show up on the field until long after Hashi’s time. Can they beat him? Yes. But they can also beat Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, etc via 1vs1.

Compared to most other ninja save Madara, they loose to Hashi. He is powerful to the point of almost being broken.

Most of it is hype sure. But what few battle we did see him in proved that the hype was, at least, somewhat warranted.

The 1% are those who literally bare the essence and power of god. Those people are Ohtsutsuki and any other person capable of controlling the power of the jyubi.
I'm not underrating him at all, nothing I said indicates this otherwise I'd see people pulling up manga feats to contradict what i said. But nobody was able to, all they could do is just repeat more hype that the manga said in regards to Hashirama from the most contradicting characters in the manga (kabuto).
It's literally no different from th Hiruzen hype if you look at it from a very unbiased view that I'm approaching it in this thread (and only this thread) alone.

And as far as where I place Hashirama I put him either on par or slightly below Bm Naruto, in this is based solely on feats. Just know that if Hashirama could even reach the level of the 1% of the narutoverse, he'd be at the same position JJ Obito was when he fought the whole SA. Mind you this is excluding all the dangerous powerful people (such as akatsuki) that perished before the war started.

Can you see my point I'm trying to make? I know even when it comes to characters you like, you're the least biased compared to the rest.

 

[Sakazuki]

Sasori could beat Hashirama. He is overhyped in this base. There are tons of people capable of beating him, but fans wont admit it.

Yo you sound mad retarded , none of the people you listed can even hope to push hashirama to sage mode.

 

[itachi4real]

Hashi is the GOAT.

He stalemated edo madara with rinngan. Hashi wasnt even at his full power. Sm hashi is below juubitos level.

Hashi is top 10

Naruto
Sasuke
Juubi madara
Kaguya
Juubito

Those are the only ones i can think of rn that can beat sm hashi 1 v1