Why do SB downright ignore sasuke getting free powerups but accuse other characters.

[Warlocks]

kurama belong to only kaguya

MS = EMS in power.

so you are saying ms sasuke = to ems sasuke

 

[ComplexCity]

There are two separate, independent arguments in my post. One is that Kurama and the Sharingan aren't conceptually the same because one is natural and the other is not.

The second is that Kurama isn't a birthright. Note that I said that even if Kurama was a birthright, it's still not the same.

What makes them conceptually different is not that one is a birthright and the other isn't, but that one is natural and the other is not.

What makes Kurama not a birthright is that Naruto was not entitled to Kurama. Naruto wasn't given Kurama because of privilege or because he deserved it or because he earned it. He got Kurama because of a desperate situation.



There are countless scenarios where Naruto may not have ended up with Kurama.

Again I quote

birth·right\ˈbərth-ˌrīt\
noun
: a right that you have because you were born into a particular position, family, place, etc.

Based off the fact that Kurama was nothing more than a tool for the Leaf in which is was determined that the Uzumaki would be the possession of that tool.


You're essentially saying that being a prince or a princess not a birthright even

 

[Punk Hazard]

I hope you're kidding about the bold

No, I'm not. A free handout is something like what Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke, where it works no matter what.

Eternal Mangekyo and Curse Mark aren't "free" handouts because the first one didn't always work, and the second either works or kills you. If it was "free" there would be zero risk and the benefits would occur 100% of the time.

Again I quote

birth·right\ˈbərth-ˌrīt\
noun
: a right that you have because you were born into a particular position, family, place, etc.

By this logic, Kurama is the birthright of every person born in Konoha.

By the way, you're still using the definition wrong. Naruto being born in Konoha does not mean he has the right to Kurama.

 

[Waltz]

The very moment Naruto was Born Kurama wasn't his or his to claim so it can't be his birthright. Kurama became his because his mother could no longer host it and he was the viable option. EMS can't be a power hand out because it is the only way to advance your Mangekyo Sharingan. The Uchiha have no choice but to transplant eyes if they want to evolve beyond that point but on the other hand Minato had a choice of whether or not to seal Kurama into Naruto so the power was given to him. ​

 

[HashiraMadara SenjUchiha]

somebody brief me up on what's going on and see which side I am on ... too lazy to read

 

[ComplexCity]

No, I'm not. A free handout is something like what Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke, where it works no matter what.

Eternal Mangekyo and Curse Mark aren't "free" handouts because the first one didn't always work, and the second either works or kills you. If it was "free" there would be zero risk and the benefits would occur 100% of the time.



By this logic, Kurama is the birthright of every person born in Konoha.

By the way, you're still using the definition wrong. Naruto being born in Konoha does not mean he has the right to Kurama.

When did I state the former

 

[shelke]

somebody brief me up on what's going on and see which side I am on ... too lazy to read

Kurama is Naruto's birthright. EMS isn't for Sasuke.

 

[HashiraMadara SenjUchiha]

Kurama is Naruto's birthright. EMS isn't for Sasuke.

That's just sad... Why has it came to that???

 

[shelke]

That's just sad... Why has it came to that???

Ask ComplexCity and OP. Apparently, Kurama was and is Uzumaki property. Whilst another Sharingan transplant (a common clan practice) has nothing to do with Uchiha or Sasuke.

 

[Takezo210]

Theroy, madara and sasuke are the only two uchihas we have every seen with ems.
Hashirama and naruto are the only perfect sages we see in the series.(kabuto jiraiya and minato all show signs of an incomplete sage)
Moral of the story naruto and sasuke achieved there powers respectively through being incarnations of indra and ashura plot no justu.
Kill it make it stop....just no more oh and hey sasukebase
Indra-0
Ashura-3

 

[Punk Hazard]

When did I state the former

Two separate posts you quoted and both talking about different things. You're gonna have to be more specific.

 

[Warlocks]

No, I'm not. A free handout is something like what Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke, where it works no matter what.

Eternal Mangekyo and Curse Mark aren't "free" handouts because the first one didn't always work, and the second either works or kills you. If it was "free" there would be zero risk and the benefits would occur 100% of the time.





By this logic, Kurama is the birthright of every person born in Konoha.

By the way, you're still using the definition wrong. Naruto being born in Konoha does not mean he has the right to Kurama.

same can be said for kurama

kurama's power didnt came without risk

and Curse Mark has risk

agreed

but sasuke get that from of jugo cells/dna

and ems has 0 risk

kurama, Curse Mark all are handouts with risk

ems "free" handouts without any risk

 

[ComplexCity]

Two separate posts you quoted and both talking about different things. You're gonna have to be more specific.

Read my other post

 

[Waltz]

Theroy, madara and sasuke are the only two uchihas we have every seen with ems.
Hashirama and naruto are the only perfect sages we see in the series.(kabuto jiraiya and minato all show signs of an incomplete sage)
Moral of the story naruto and sasuke achieved there powers respectively through being incarnations of indra and ashura plot no justu.
Kill it make it stop....just no more oh and hey sasukebase
Indra-0
Ashura-3

Ashura and Hashirama didn't have a tailed beast sealed inside them out of the blue. If you're trying to use the argument of fate allowed them to gain the respective powers I can easily let you know that it wasn't impossible for Naruto to become Ashura's trasmigrant without having Kurama from birth and he still would because he is Ashura's trasnmigrant. ​

 

[HashiraMadara SenjUchiha]

Both things come with risks

Kurama hates human beings: He was forced to be in naruto, He was burning naruto outside in when in beast mode. I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BIRHTRIGHT

EMS has people running insane and loosing their morality. They are eyes of hatred. Big ups to sasuke for surviving that freak show
NOW CLOSE THIS USELESS THREAD

 

[ComplexCity]

The very moment Naruto was Born Kurama wasn't his or his to claim so it can't be his birthright. Kurama became his because his mother could no longer host it and he was the viable option. EMS can't be a power hand out because it is the only way to advance your Mangekyo Sharingan. The Uchiha have no choice but to transplant eyes if they want to evolve beyond that point but on the other hand Minato had a choice of whether or not to seal Kurama into Naruto so the power was given to him.​

I'd have to disagree with here you PDG. I don't see how this is any different then a prince being a king a birthright because the king had subcuumb to a terminal illness

 

[Jinrou]

I'm neither a fan of Sasuke or Naruto as I couldn't care for either of them...But bruhhs seriously. How is EMS not a handout. Are we saying its perfectly fine and normal to remove your siblings eyes just because you want your sharingan to evolve?
If that's the case, I believe Sasuke's eyes should have been Itachi's birthright not the other way around.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Ok leaving aside Kurama powers and Itachi's Eyes for Sasuke's EMS what do we have then?
Sage mode Naruto with the ability to fuse with Maa and Paa and unlimited supply of NE and a blind Sasuke who once had MS but he was too dumb to use it properly and now walks the path of darkness permanently...

 

[Waltz]

I'd have to disagree with here you PDG. I don't see how this is any different then a prince being a king a birthright because the king had subcuumb to a terminal illness

It doesn't because at this point:

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The Kingdom didn't belong to anyone. It was Minato's choice to give the Kyuubi to Naruto by sealing it inside him. ​

 

[Punk Hazard]

same can be said for kurama

kurama's power didnt came without risk

and Curse Mark has risk

agreed

but sasuke get that from of jugo cells/dna

and ems has 0 risk

kurama, Curse Mark all are handouts with risk

ems "free" handouts without any risk

I've already said that Kurama is comparable to the Curse Mark.

And EMS didn't have a risk, but it also didn't have a guarantee. So while it's a handout, it's not a free handout.

Read my other post

Are...are you stupid? You've made multiple posts about multiple topics in this thread. "My other post" doesn't specify.

I'd have to disagree with here you PDG. I don't see how this is any different then a prince being a king a birthright because the king had subcuumb to a terminal illness

Because being a prince means you are entitled to the kingdom upon the king's death. Naruto was not entitled to Kurama.

And no, Naruto's place of birth doesn't make him any more entitled to Kurama than any other person who was also born in Konoha.