Why do SB downright ignore sasuke getting free powerups but accuse other characters.

[ComplexCity]

Yet, he could summon it. Which means, it belonged to the Uchiha first.

Hashirama *****-slapped Madara? Oh boy.

Because using a tool is the same thing as a birthright

 

[chintu234]

Considering the fact that the Statue Didn't participate afterwards Madara somehow destroyed it.
So where was the ***** slap again?

The moment he ripped kurama from him, and that statement was methophor man. Coz hashi still won going serious for the first time = ***** slapping.

 

[ComplexCity]

I am saying the two aren't equal in the sense whether they are handouts or not. If you were never even discussing that then what reason do I have to debate with you :|

This thread is about hand outs after all

Is the sharigan not a power up?

 

[chintu234]

You're arguing with a brick wall. You have people here trying to argue with a dictionary. It's clear EMS is a handout but you're arguing with fapboys. You'll never win

Yeah man. SB base are just baised dumbasses who need pages of hashi ***** slapping madara, Minato 1shotting Obito or Sasuke admitting defeat to naruto to get them to stop talking.

 

[ComplexCity]

Have you even bothered to read through both of Itachi's stories? I suggest you scoot back and do so.



No, it isn't. Stop trying to give it your personal spin. Kurama belonged to the Uchiha first. Looks like by the definition you posted, Sasuke has more of a birthright than Naruto does.

And here is where I'm done because Shelke flexes his intelligence again. Learn what a birthright is and then we can talk

 

[Punk Hazard]

People still think Kurama and Sharingan are compatible?

Sasuke's Sharingan is compatible with Naruto's Uzumaki stamina, not Kurama. Kurama is not something Naruto is born with, it's not something that is natural to Naruto. Kurama is compatible with EMS or Rinnegan.

Also, Kurama was not a birthright. A birthright is something you are entitled to, Naruto wasn't entitled to Kurama

 

[shelke]

And here is where I'm done because Shelke flexes his intelligence again. Learn what a birthright is and then we can talk

Learn to read the dic first. You seem to want to run when your pants are still down at your ankles. By laws of physics, it doesn't end well that way. I mean, how does Kurama become Kushina's personal property, making it Naruto's birthright?

 

[chintu234]

Have you even bothered to read through both of Itachi's stories? I suggest you scoot back and do so.



No, it isn't. Stop trying to give it your personal spin. Kurama belonged to the Uchiha first. Looks like by the definition you posted, Sasuke has more of a birthright than Naruto does.



Is that how you respond after your balls have been nailed to the wall?

LOL you still havent given a proper explanation about why itachi's eyes getting transplanted to sasuke which gives him EMS techs, no side effects, restores his eye sight to 20/20, probably boost his chakra levels is not considered a handout.

 

[Nobel]

Why? Why is it that you imbeciles cannot be in a agreement of a logical conclusion? Ask yourself that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you're saying the dictionary is incorrect? The same guy who pulls out the dictionary in every debate?

No, you're just using the word wrong.

Kurama and the Sharingan aren't conceptually the same because the Sharingan is something that is naturally part of Sasuke. It's not circumstantial. Regardless of the circumstances of Sasuke's birth, he would still have the Sharingan. You can, however, change the circumstances of Naruto's birth and get results where he wouldn't have Kurama. That's what makes them difference.

Even if Kurama was Naruto's birthright, it's still not naturally a part of him. This is like saying a car you got from your parents' will is the same as your blood type.

With Naruto, it's inherently different. Kurama is an external thing given to Naruto after his birth. It's not naturally or inherently a part of Naruto. That's what makes it more compatible with Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan; it's something from an external source given to someone who would otherwise not naturally have it.

 

[shelke]

LOL you still havent given a proper explanation about why itachi's eyes getting transplanted to sasuke which gives him EMS techs, no side effects, restores his eye sight to 20/20, probably boost his chakra levels is not considered a handout.

It never boosted his chakra. It simply gave him light. Like I said, that's what Uchihas did in the past. It's their clan practice. If you knew this, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

 

[ComplexCity]

No, you're just using the word wrong.

Kurama and the Sharingan aren't conceptually the same because the Sharingan is something that is naturally part of Sasuke. It's not circumstantial. Regardless of the circumstances of Sasuke's birth, he would still have the Sharingan.

With Naruto, it's inherently different. Kurama is an external thing given to Naruto after his birth. It's not naturally or inherently a part of Naruto. That's what makes it more compatible with Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan; it's something from an external source given to someone who would otherwise not naturally have it.

Definition of birthright in English:

birthright
Pronunciation: /ˈbərTHˌrīt/
NOUN

1A particular right of possession or privilege one has from birth, especially as an eldest child.


So I guess by this logic, birthrights bestowed upon children from their parents aren't really birthright because they aren't naturally a part of them

Not only that not all Uchihas awakened the Sharigan

 

[chintu234]

No, you're just using the word wrong.

Kurama and the Sharingan aren't conceptually the same because the Sharingan is something that is naturally part of Sasuke. It's not circumstantial. Regardless of the circumstances of Sasuke's birth, he would still have the Sharingan. You can, however, change the circumstances of Naruto's birth and get results where he wouldn't have Kurama. That's what makes them difference.

Even if Kurama was Naruto's birthright, it's still not naturally a part of him. This is like saying a car you got from your parents' will is the same as your blood type.

With Naruto, it's inherently different. Kurama is an external thing given to Naruto after his birth. It's not naturally or inherently a part of Naruto. That's what makes it more compatible with Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan; it's something from an external source given to someone who would otherwise not naturally have it.

He would have ended up with kurama again since kushina was the last remaining uzumaki and uzumaki's were known to handle kurama's chakra pretty well because of their life force and chakra chains.

 

[Punk Hazard]

LOL you still havent given a proper explanation about why itachi's eyes getting transplanted to sasuke which gives him EMS techs, no side effects, restores his eye sight to 20/20, probably boost his chakra levels is not considered a handout.

Itachi did say that many Uchiha in the past started stealing their siblings' Mangekyo in order to restore their light, but it didn't always work. The fact that it worked for Sasuke shows he contained the unique genetic potential it, which lessens its status as a "handout" to a degree. But it is still a handout in the same sense that Curse Mark was a handout. Not so much a "free" power-up as it was an instant one.

 

[chintu234]

It never boosted his chakra. It simply gave him light. Like I said, that's what Uchihas did in the past. It's their clan practice. If you knew this, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

So is bijju sealing a practice. WTH man! Both are practice done from way back in past but for you only sharingan and EMS gaining is not a handout?? WTH!!!

 

[ComplexCity]

Itachi did say that many Uchiha in the past started stealing their siblings' Mangekyo in order to restore their light, but it didn't always work. The fact that it worked for Sasuke shows he contained the unique genetic potential it, which lessens its status as a "handout" to a degree. But it is still a handout in the same sense that Curse Mark was a handout. Not so much a "free" power-up as it was an instant one.

I hope you're kidding about the bold

 

[Bling Kai]

Yeah, NB is more cancerous then it's ever been

Lol this SB stuff isn't even serious.what I really find cancerous about NB now are the thousands of unnecessary threads being made about it daily.

Sure you can say I can just stay away from them, which I do except recently I've been getting be infractions meanwhile people keep spamming threads daily and don't get said threads deleted. So I have a problem with this.

 

[shelke]

So is bijju sealing a practice. WTH man! Both are practice done from way back in past but for you only sharingan and EMS gaining is not a handout?? WTH!!!

I said it's a birthright. Never claimed it cannot be counted as a powerup Sasuke didn't work for. Even then, only Sasuke has the innate, genetic potential to even create the new pattern and attain light. So, it's part semi-free powerup, part genetics and part clan culture.

Kurama doesn't fit the bill for any of the aforementioned factors for Naruto bar free powerup.

 

[chintu234]

Itachi did say that many Uchiha in the past started stealing their siblings' Mangekyo in order to restore their light, but it didn't always work. The fact that it worked for Sasuke shows he contained the unique genetic potential it, which lessens its status as a "handout" to a degree. But it is still a handout in the same sense that Curse Mark was a handout. Not so much a "free" power-up as it was an instant one.

Finally something of sense.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Definition of birthright in English:

birthright
Pronunciation: /ˈbərTHˌrīt/
NOUN

1A particular right of possession or privilege one has from birth, especially as an eldest child.


So I guess by this logic, birthrights bestowed upon children from their parents aren't really birthright because they aren't naturally a part of them

There are two separate, independent arguments in my post. One is that Kurama and the Sharingan aren't conceptually the same because one is natural and the other is not.

The second is that Kurama isn't a birthright. Note that I said that even if Kurama was a birthright, it's still not the same.

What makes them conceptually different is not that one is a birthright and the other isn't, but that one is natural and the other is not.

What makes Kurama not a birthright is that Naruto was not entitled to Kurama. Naruto wasn't given Kurama because of privilege or because he deserved it or because he earned it. He got Kurama because of a desperate situation.

He would have ended up with kurama again since kushina was the last remaining uzumaki and uzumaki's were known to handle kurama's chakra pretty well because of their life force and chakra chains.

There are countless scenarios where Naruto may not have ended up with Kurama.