[Discussion] Why do people underrate Crocodile so much?

[KCN]

Crocodile is an example of a man who has a haxx devil fruit and relies on it too much. His physical attributes are actually horrible. Alabasta arc Luffy was able to get the better of him physically but was only hindered due to him being a logia. G2 would blitz and punch that fodder in the face Lol

And yes, Sanji would **** him up.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Yeah this "new people" in One Piece section underestimate Crocs by miles, only idiots will do that....

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[Oblivionx]

And that's not underestimating croc?

no that's not. Gear 3 is pretty useless in my opinion may be coz i like speed...! and Gear 2 is pretty fast. If you think croc can match current luffy then you are overestimating him. Luffy didn't even has hakki back then. Yes croc was nerfed but luffy has developed a lot since then. Gear 2 luffy can oneshot luffy who fought croc. so even assuming croc could also do the same which i doubt that puts him at Gear 2 level best or Gear 3 level which is useless anyway... though luffy would still be faster...

 

[OG sama]

Before calling my arguments irrelevant please say something relevant.

It was a joint clash

The levels were based on how dangerous they were as individuals, not crimes, that's what bounties are for.

The fact the SNs are getting stronger is irrelevant. The fact Luffy said he will surpass Crocodile in future during the fight implied that Crocodile was still stronger when they fought, regardless of the outcome. Croc negged Luffy twice and was suddenly weakened magically for their third clash.

You think Luffy will beat Kaidou? I've heard it all now.



Exactly. My example is terrible because it's the same terrible logic you use.

No he didn't?

My arguments are irrelevant? But yet your using short clashes to justify Croc being on some whole new level.

Prove this. Croc was a Shichibukai but not only that but was in possession of an ancient weapon capable of destroying the world. Why wouldn't he be locked up in lvl 6 for these crimes but only because of his strength that makes no sense. And wtf, why wouldn't your bounty influence where your going to be locked up when you get caught?

Yeah when they fought. Luffy has faced many many foes since Croc, but according to your list he's still weaker. That clearly shows your nothing but a Croc fanboy and just refuse to put the SNs above him because you felt he was BA, was used too soon and your probably waiting on a rematch. Not only that but you contradict yourself in other threads by putting him above Luffy and then claim he's his equal in this one because you know it sounds ridiculous.

Luffy alone may not beat Kaido but it damn sure is not far fetched. Luffy always beats the main boss alone whether one thinks he was weaker or not. But since you overrate Croc and underrate Luffy anyway it makes sense you find this ridiculous. According to you current Luffy is either weaker or equal to MF Croc.

 

[OG sama]

Yeah this "new people" in One Piece section underestimate Crocs by miles, only idiots will do that....

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Being new to this base means nothing.And if your as smart as you think you are you would know that.

 

[QdonEms]

But what if Akainu is someones fav?

Healthy Ace w/o plot restriction would rekt Akainu...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The entire world government, Kuma, the entire world

Scans?

Being new to this base means nothing.And if your as smart as you think you are you would know that.

Intellect and opinion don't go hand in hand

 

[Bogard]

Scans?

Kuma said

"Who could have known Lucci would be defeated by Luffy in Enies Lobby?"

And that was with the information that Luffy was the one who defeated Crocodile, so do the math

 

[OG sama]

Scans?



Intellect and opinion don't go hand in hand

Not sure what you mean.

 

[Peace Maker]

Cos crocodile weakness could be found anywhere

 

[Trap Queen]

I thought he was alright, nothing too special.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Not sure what you mean.

Looks to me like it's you that's falling short then

 

[ssjelf]

My take on it is that luffy beat croc for the most part legit. When we see croc at MF people then say, "oh well luffy beat croc only because of plot". Well I think its the opposite, croc performed well at MF because of plot. (and yes his feats at MF were clearly better than at alabasta, this might be in part due to croc taking the fighters at MF more seriously and he didnt over rely on his DF as much as he did when fighting luffy.)

The reason this was done I think was to kinda make him relevant again so that once we see him again Post TS we wont be completely shocked when he has powered up and become similar in strength to DD (not stronger but similar) I imagine he will fight as an ally so there is no reason for him to be stronger than DD post ts but he will be strong enough to be relevant at some point in a future arc.

 

[Magi]

I agree with everything but at the bottom you ****ed up... G4 = Croc? LOL.

Same here.. Was loving the thread until I read the last paragraph Lol.. Good thread though

 

[Praydara]

Alabasta Crocodile was obviously nerfed for the sake of the plot - and even so, he showed off some impressive powers. I think it ultimately comes down to portrayal > feats. Looking at everything he did during the war - fighting Doflamingo, fighting Mihawk (the World's Strongest Swordsman), tanking a haki-infused punch, and then coming out pretty much unscatched - shows that Oda didn't intend for him to be weak. If he shows up again, he'll be even more impressive.

People who bring up his comparatively low bounty forget that Gekko Moriah, weakest of the Shichibukai bar Buggy, had one of the highest bounties in the Shichibukai. Bounty =/= level of power.

 

[Praydara]

My take on it is that luffy beat croc for the most part legit. When we see croc at MF people then say, "oh well luffy beat croc only because of plot". Well I think its the opposite, croc performed well at MF because of plot. (and yes his feats at MF were clearly better than at alabasta, this might be in part due to croc taking the fighters at MF more seriously and he didnt over rely on his DF as much as he did when fighting luffy.)

The reason this was done I think was to kinda make him relevant again so that once we see him again Post TS we wont be completely shocked when he has powered up and become similar in strength to DD (not stronger but similar) I imagine he will fight as an ally so there is no reason for him to be stronger than DD post ts but he will be strong enough to be relevant at some point in a future arc.

The difference is, Crocodile needed to be defeated at Alabasta - thus, he had to lose, or else the plot would be over right there. He didn't have to do anything impressive at Marineford, so the plot wasn't relying on him anymore. It would carry on as usual if Mihawk or Doflamingo totally kicked his ass.

 

[ultraChalk]

Because literally a 50% health Luffy beat like a 90% health Crocodile before even unlocking any Gears.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Geez...There are so many things wrong with this....

Of course Croc negged Luffy in their first fight. Luffy didn't have haki so this is irrelevant. Do you have any idea what neg dif is? Clearly Croc got hi multiple times and was bleeding in his 2nd fight with Luffy. In the 3rd fight Croc didn't use his sand powers because they were useless. Sand becomes very thick when wet and when Croc used his final sand attack against Luffy he punched through it. Croc fought Luffy in hand to hand combat AND LOST.

In Marineford, Croc never 'tanked" Jozu's attack. He got hit cleanly, bleed and grunted. He was clearly hurt. Croc PARRYING/DEFLECTING a swing from Mihawk is given' too much credit. Its not like he matached Mihawk's brute strength and stopped the sword completely. Against Doflamingo, Croc swung at him with all his might and Doffy blocked it with his foot smiling and his both of his hands in his pockets. Blocking a kick from Sanji made Doffy's veins pop and cringe.

Have you considered that Croc may already be awakened or that he can't awaken? Croc himself said that mastered and perfected his DF and it would explain why he can turn objects into sand. There is no way Croc can compete with G4 with what he has shown and you are overrating him. Its like saying Punk Hazard Smoker can compete with G4 Luffy.

 

[Anduril]

Geez...There are so many things wrong with this....

Of course Croc negged Luffy in their first fight. Luffy didn't have haki so this is irrelevant. Do you have any idea what neg dif is? Clearly Croc got hi multiple times and was bleeding in his 2nd fight with Luffy. In the 3rd fight Croc didn't use his sand powers because they were useless. Sand becomes very thick when wet and when Croc used his final sand attack against Luffy he punched through it. Croc fought Luffy in hand to hand combat AND LOST.

In Marineford, Croc never 'tanked" Jozu's attack. He got hit cleanly, bleed and grunted. He was clearly hurt. Croc PARRYING/DEFLECTING a swing from Mihawk is given' too much credit. Its not like he matached Mihawk's brute strength and stopped the sword completely. Against Doflamingo, Croc swung at him with all his might and Doffy blocked it with his foot smiling and his both of his hands in his pockets. Blocking a kick from Sanji made Doffy's veins pop and cringe.

Have you considered that Croc may already be awakened or that he can't awaken? Croc himself said that mastered and perfected his DF and it would explain why he can turn objects into sand. There is no way Croc can compete with G4 with what he has shown and you are overrating him. Its like saying Punk Hazard Smoker can compete with G4 Luffy.

Lmfao at the highlighted part. Go read the manga again boy, his veins were already popped out when he went to take down nami and the other weaklings, and "cringe?" do you even know the meaning of the word? dude was laughing all the time that sanji was serious lol. So much wank for sanji

 

[Hexuze]

I'm kinda on the fence on whether Croc. is overrated/underrated, at times I feel that he's underrated but sometimes people overrate the f*ck out of his strength. It's hard to say but people do underrate him because of his early defeat and on the other side people overrate him from what he did at MF.