[Discussion] Why do people underrate Crocodile so much?

[Aømine]

Power of friendship saved Luffy's ass and it wasn't the only time against Croco.

 

[Bogard]

Pretty much just said that Alabasta croc is completely nerfed. So your entire argument is thwarted as you're completely ignoring his much better and more accurate feats

I've seen people match Lucci with Crocodile, or say Sanji can oneshot him. How is he ever overhyped?

P.S. Use a f*cking Spoiler will ya?

I ignored nothing. I broke down those so called "better feats" in my post as nothing relevant. He was still portrayed as Luffy's bitch during that war, when he kicked him aside like a fodder he is

And yes, if Alabasta Luffy can completely dominate him in a fight, Sanji can one shot him. Hell, maybe even Lucci too

Why would i use spoiler tags when i want people to see the fight properly?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I ignored nothing. I broke down those so called "better feats" in my post as nothing relevant. He was still portrayed as Luffy's bitch during that war, when he kicked him aside like a fodder he is

And yes, if Alabasta Luffy can completely dominate him in a fight, Sanji can one shot him. Hell, maybe even Lucci too

Why would i use spoiler tags when i want people to see the fight properly?

You think you broke them down? All you did was say "they're not impressive". Not exactly a convincing argument to say the least. Perhaps because you can't refute them.

Luffy dominated a nerfed croc for plot reasons. If you actually acknowledged Crocs irrefutable feats then you'd see croc was way stronger in MF than in Alabasta.

So that the thread isn't annoying af to scroll down. People check the spoilers anyway, it's what they're there for. To condense threads.

Fodder? Shichibukai status achieved through his reputation and strength disagrees.

 

[Bogard]

You think you broke them down? All you did was say "they're not impressive". Not exactly a convincing argument to say the least. Perhaps because you can't refute them.

Luffy dominated a nerfed croc for plot reasons. If you actually acknowledged Crocs irrefutable feats then you'd see croc was way stronger in MF than in Alabasta.

So that the thread isn't annoying af to scroll down. People check the spoilers anyway, it's what they're there for. To condense threads.

His only arguable "feat" is when he tanked Jozu's brillant punk, but when you think that Jozu more than likely went easy on him, it quickly make that feat look less significant. The so called "better feats"(singular clash while coming from a background against opponents who were ignoring him) are replicable by Daz Bones level fighters, so what does it tell to me? Nothing relevant

When Luffy(someone who actually already defeated him in a fight when he was much weaker) kick him aside like a fodder at the beginning of the war, what does it tell to me? That he was still Luffy's bitch, so there is no nerf in it at all. If there was, he'd not have been portrayed like Luffy's bitch during that same war

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

His only arguable "feat" is when he tanked Jozu's brillant punk, but when you think that Jozu more than likely went easy on him, it quickly make that feat look less significant. The so called "better feats"(singular clash while coming from a background against opponents who were ignoring him) are replicable by Daz Bones level fighters, so what does it tell to me? Nothing relevant

Yeah because Jozu would go easy on a guy who tried to kill "pops", right?

Doffy wanted to ally with Crocodile, he considered Law unworthy of an alliance. Does this not say anything?

Mihawk had the intent to kill Luffy and yet Crocodile saved his ass

Crocodiles ranged attacks in MF on the executioners trumped his ranged attacks in Alabasta. The executioners were easily hundreds of meters away.

Lets not forget his "Barjan" technique. That would've oneshotted Luffy in Alabasta

Desert Grande Esparda would've oneshotted Luffy. Crocodile survived a fight with an Admiral, and held him off for a convenient length of time for Luffy and Jinbe to get away. Last time I checked Vista and Jinbe couldn't do this to Sakazuki, yet Croc did.

So yeah, his feats are sooooooooooo irrelevant and shit

When Luffy(someone who actually already defeated him in a fight when he was much weaker) kick him aside like a fodder at the beginning of the war, what does it tell to me? That he was still Luffy's bitch, so there is no nerf in it at all. If there was, he'd not have been portrayed like Luffy's bitch during that same war

He didn't kick Croc aside like a fodder though, he kicked Croc with G2 at full force and Croc moved like 5 foot and easily shook it off

Hardly Luffys *****. Hardly a fodder either. You just sound like you have a grudge against him or something

Also, does the fact Croc was held on the same level in Impel Down as Shiliew, Ace, Jinbe, BBs recruits and the new Shichibukai (who f*cked over Zephyr) mean nothing? Ivankov was only held on Level 5! Daz Bones (who you claim is on a similar level) was on Level 4. They're eons apart.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Why do people overrate Crocodile so much?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Why do people overrate Crocodile so much?

It's a case of rating him how he should be. Those that underrate him think we overrate him and visa versa. Difference is that our arguments make sense and your lot just refer to Alabasta the whole time

 

[QdonEms]

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That was a cheap way to get Ace out of the picture before he solo'd everyones fav neg diff.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

That was a cheap way to get Ace out of the picture before he solo'd everyones fav neg diff.

But what if Akainu is someones fav?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It's a case of rating him how he should be. Those that underrate him think we overrate him and visa versa. Difference is that our arguments make sense and your lot just refer to Alabasta the whole time

Your arguments make no sense. You completely ignore the arc centered around Croc and say he got a power boost while in jail. You say him cutting Akainu was an impressive feat, even though Akainu was focused on Jinbe and Luffy. Not to mention that a fodder shot Kizaru by surprise, but that isn't considered impressive. You also think that Croc fighting Akainu for a few mins is impressive, even though he had help from Marco, Vista, and the other commanders.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Your arguments make no sense. You completely ignore the arc centered around Croc and say he got a power boost while in jail. You say him cutting Akainu was an impressive feat, even though Akainu was focused on Jinbe and Luffy. Not to mention that a fodder shot Kizaru by surprise, but that isn't considered impressive. You also think that Croc fighting Akainu for a few mins is impressive, even though he had help from Marco, Vista, and the other commanders.

You mean the arc where he nearly killed Luffy thrice? Are you ignoring his feats from later in the Manga just to prove a point? How does that work. That's like me saying Sentomaru stomps Luffy because it happened before and Luffy can't use Busoshoku haki (yeah lets ignore the timeskip for arguments sake shall we?).

It's that kind of logic. And it's heavily flawed.

I'm not saying he got a power boost. I'm saying he was always that strong but was nerfed for plot purposes to accelerate Luffy into the eyes of the world. The fight is also rushed. Notice how Croc took no damage from Luffy in all the previous fights and then randomly, miraculously gets beaten around?

I was saying Croc survived fighting Sakazuki and did a better job against Sakazuki than Jinbe and Vista. Being shot is a bit different to being cut in half and engaging in full blown mortal combat, is it not?

He fought Sakazuki at seperate times to the other commanders.

 

[OG sama]

Your using the same irrelevant arguments I have seen Croc fanboys use all the time.

Croc blocked a kick from Doflamingo. In fact it was the other way around and a half ass kick at best.

He was held in lvl 6. Well duh he was a freaking Shichibukai who had got stopped from getting the damn pluton.


Etc etc we counter and encounter these arguments all the damn time but there still used as excuses for Croc to be at this lvl he clearly shouldn't be.

Now I agree we dont know how strong he currently is. But placing him over people like Luffy and Law without feats is overrating for sure. Not only does it make Luffys statement about surpassing Croc useless but it also makes no since for Croc to have more growth than the roaming blooming SNs who are making a name for themselves and are getting stronger by each adventure and will be going after yonkos really soon.

Croc fits no where in that, he should be the least of there problems. Can you imagine Luffy beating Kaido and then having a rematch with Croc later on? Croc would get crapped on and Luffy won't need to rely on cheap weakness to win, maybe that would be better for you fanboys. A fair on fair battle between Luffy and Croc both with Haki so you people can finally see that Croc is no threat.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You mean the arc where he nearly killed Luffy thrice? Are you ignoring his feats from later in the Manga just to prove a point? How does that work. That's like me saying Sentomaru stomps Luffy because it happened before and Luffy can't use Busoshoku haki (yeah lets ignore the timeskip for arguments sake shall we?).

It's that kind of logic. And it's heavily flawed.

I'm not saying he got a power boost. I'm saying he was always that strong but was nerfed for plot purposes to accelerate Luffy into the eyes of the world. The fight is also rushed. Notice how Croc took no damage from Luffy in all the previous fights and then randomly, miraculously gets beaten around?

I was saying Croc survived fighting Sakazuki and did a better job against Sakazuki than Jinbe and Vista. Being shot is a bit different to being cut in half and engaging in full blown mortal combat, is it not?

He fought Sakazuki at seperate times to the other commanders.

Because Luffy was training for 2 years and Croc was stuck in ID for a few months. Your example is terrible. Croc had help from all of the commanders except Jozu, so him surviving Akainu is not impressive at all.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Your using the same irrelevant arguments I have seen Croc fanboys use all the time.

Croc blocked a kick from Doflamingo. In fact it was the other way around and a half ass kick at best.

He was held in lvl 6. Well duh he was a freaking Shichibukai who had got stopped from getting the damn pluton.


Etc etc we counter and encounter these arguments all the damn time but there still used as excuses for Croc to be at this lvl he clearly shouldn't be.

Now I agree we dont know how strong he currently is. But placing him over people like Luffy and Law without feats is overrating for sure. Not only does it make Luffys statement about surpassing Croc useless but it also makes no since for Croc to have more growth than the roaming blooming SNs who are making a name for themselves and are getting stronger by each adventure and will be going after yonkos really soon.

Croc fits no where in that, he should be the least of there problems. Can you imagine Luffy beating Kaido and then having a rematch with Croc later on? Croc would get crapped on and Luffy won't need to rely on cheap weakness to win, maybe that would be better for you fanboys. A fair on fair battle between Luffy and Croc both with Haki so you people can finally see that Croc is no threat.

Before calling my arguments irrelevant please say something relevant.

It was a joint clash

The levels were based on how dangerous they were as individuals, not crimes, that's what bounties are for.

The fact the SNs are getting stronger is irrelevant. The fact Luffy said he will surpass Crocodile in future during the fight implied that Crocodile was still stronger when they fought, regardless of the outcome. Croc negged Luffy twice and was suddenly weakened magically for their third clash.

You think Luffy will beat Kaidou? I've heard it all now.

Because Luffy was training for 2 years and Croc was stuck in ID for a few months. Your example is terrible. Croc had help from all of the commanders except Jozu, so him surviving Akainu is not impressive at all.

Exactly. My example is terrible because it's the same terrible logic you use.

No he didn't?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Before calling my arguments irrelevant please say something relevant.

It was a joint clash

The levels were based on how dangerous they were as individuals, not crimes, that's what bounties are for.

The fact the SNs are getting stronger is irrelevant. The fact Luffy said he will surpass Crocodile in future during the fight implied that Crocodile was still stronger when they fought, regardless of the outcome. Croc negged Luffy twice and was suddenly weakened magically for their third clash.

You think Luffy will beat Kaidou? I've heard it all now.



Exactly. My example is terrible because it's the same terrible logic you use.

No he didn't?

No it was a terrible example because it doesn't disprove my logic in any way since Luffy had the chance to power up during those 2 years while there was no possible way for Croc to increase in strength during his months in ID. He had help from he commanders, you are just denying manga facts.

 

[Bogard]

I wonder why Lucci was considered a greater threat than Crocodile, really wonder why

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No it was a terrible example because it doesn't disprove my logic in any way since Luffy had the chance to power up during those 2 years while there was no possible way for Croc to increase in strength during his months in ID. He had help from he commanders, you are just denying manga facts.

It wasn't meant to disprove your logic. It was meant to exemplify how f*cked up your logic is. You can't ignore feats from a later point in the Manga for the sake of saying he's weak.

EXACTLY. HE HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO POWER UP. AND YET HE SOMEHOW WAS STRONGER, AND I MEAN MILES STRONGER, THAN HE WAS IN ALABASTA WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE MARINEFORD WAR!

THIS SUPPORTS MY POINT. CROCODILE WAS NERFED FOR PLOT REASONS. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.

I wonder why Lucci was considered a greater threat than Crocodile, really wonder why

According to whom?

 

[Bogard]

According to whom?

The entire world government, Kuma, the entire world

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It wasn't meant to disprove your logic. It was meant to exemplify how f*cked up your logic is. You can't ignore feats from a later point in the Manga for the sake of saying he's weak.

EXACTLY. HE HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO POWER UP. AND YET HE SOMEHOW WAS STRONGER, AND I MEAN MILES STRONGER, THAN HE WAS IN ALABASTA WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE MARINEFORD WAR!

THIS SUPPORTS MY POINT. CROCODILE WAS NERFED FOR PLOT REASONS. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.



According to whom?

He wasn't stronger than he was at Alabasta.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Croc is one of my favorite characters but did you really say he is on the same level as gear 4 luffy?
If you mean post Ts croc at least wait for feats before saying things like that.