Why do people think EMS Madara > Nagato?

[Penguin]

Who says Madara starts out in PS? He never starts out in PS. Show me a scan where he automaticly jumps into PS when he starts a fight.

About the eye arguement. Nagato has Rinnegan, Madara has EMS. End of debate. I made the thread.

Shrina Tensei definatly can suck up Madara in Rib-Cage form. Any Ninjutsu gets absorbed. I honestly do not see Nagato loosing this.

 

[yep]

because they are fanboys

 

[GwemBaba]

Improve your wording, you sound like a fool. Rennigan..

It's proven that Uchiha are better in using Doujutsu, Obitos Outer-Path was said to be far stronger than Nagatos, though former used it for a day. It's true, the Rinnegan is an upgrade of the Sharingan and the strongest Doujutsu, but only by those who awake it in the right way. Meaning, that the one combines both Doujutsu powers, has the body of a true Uchiha and possesses Senju DNA. But Nagato is only an Uzumaki with an implanted Rinnegan.

That a Doujutsu is supposed to be the highest in the evolution, doesn't automatically mean that a Rinnegan user is superior to an EMS user by default.

Don't use someone who effectively equals the Sage in a genetic sense as an example.

 

[Strict]

Don't use someone who effectively equals the Sage in a genetic sense as an example.

Everyone who awakes the Rinnegan properly, equals the sage in a genetic sense. Nagato however not, as he is just an Uzumaki with an implanted Rinnegan. Of course, Nagato is very powerful, everyone should agree. But he cannot win against the perfect Susanoo.

 

[shelke]

How is Petra Path absorbing a freaking shock wave from PS Sword Slash that destroyed a few Mountains? This is a new one. I have never even heard of this ability in Rinnegan's Repertoire. The things this base invents. In his fight with Hashirama one swing from his sword sliced off five mountains' tops like warm knife through butter. How is this not destroying CT's core? Once that is done, CT is literally useless. Nagato is taken out with a single slash as Rinnegan has no such ability to absorb shock waves.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato and EMS Madara aren't even on the same tier. Madara takes him comfortably. Nagato has NOTHING that can break through Perfect Susanoo except CT which can easily be destroyed by PS's sword swings in the early stages.

CST is tanked by PS. Nagato's summons are useless here as they will not provide any distraction for a guy who can tear up the landscape with one attack nor will they break through or even harm PS in the slightest.

The only people who think Nagato can win are the people who foolishly believe in that horrible excuse of an argument, the Preta Path argument. Like Madara is going to sit there twiddling his thumbs while Nagato sucks up his Susanoo, which would obviously take a lot of time given its size. The also fail to realize that Nagato needs to get close to Susanoo to absorb it in the first place which is near impossible when one slash tears up the landscape and tossed the Gokage backwards when it wasn't even aimed towards them. Another thing they fail to realize is that Nagato can't absorb the mountain cutting shockwaves that PS shoots out, he can only deflect them and his ST has a 5 second time limit while PS has two swords.

Gedo Mazo isn't doing anything to PS, not when the latter tanked a Bijuu Dama that far surpassed any damage capabilities of the Mazo by far. Also the people who think Nagato has WAY more chakra than Madara. Think again. Madara was able to fight for a day non stop and control the Kyuubi and use Perfect Susanoo at teh same time with no noticeable stamina issues while Nagato exhausted most of his chakra by just fighting the leaf village.

The Kyuubi isn't even necessary to fight against Nagato. Madara has him beat in feats and hype. Inb4 someone starts talking about how Madara doesn't jump straight to PS, he obviously doesn't need to as he will climb Susanoo's levels as Nagato presents more and more attacks for him to deal with.

And lmfao at the people who think Nagato wins because he has Rinnegan (Transplanted) while Madara has EMS. Even though Madara's feats with his EMS surpass Nagato's feats with his Rinnegan.

EMS Madara>Nagato. Clear as day.

 

[VongolaX]

Who says Madara starts out in PS? He never starts out in PS. Show me a scan where he automaticly jumps into PS when he starts a fight.

About the eye arguement. Nagato has Rinnegan, Madara has EMS. End of debate. I made the thread.

Shrina Tensei definatly can suck up Madara in Rib-Cage form. Any Ninjutsu gets absorbed. I honestly do not see Nagato loosing this.

Since when does shrina tensei suck up ribcage? Saying madara wouldn't start using PS is like saying nagato wouldn't use the path abilities. I honestly can't see nagato's only powerful move stop this:

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If EMS Madara use his susanoo sword and pierce nagato, he will die instantaneously.
EMS Madara's PS is bigger than nagato's chibuki tensei anyway

 

[III HOKAGE III]

Fact is that without madara theresnt isnt a nagato with rinnegan, ..lol
Btw nagato is good but he cant beat madara, madara chakra reserves r alot more than wat nagato can tank.

 

[HitmanSasuke23]

No it took naruto bee and itachi to take down nagato.if itachi wasn't there bee and naruto would of been beaten and same goes for itachi if they wasn't there.

In that battle if I'm not mistaken Bee and Naruto got saved a couple of times by Itachi

 

[GwemBaba]

Everyone who awakes the Rinnegan properly, equals the sage in a genetic sense. Nagato however not, as he is just an Uzumaki with an implanted Rinnegan. Of course, Nagato is very powerful, everyone should agree. But he cannot win against the perfect Susanoo.

You've just defeated your own point there, as anyone who genetically has the rinnegan has to be part Uchiha, therefore they are the best dojutsu wielders.

You can't just say "The best at wielding Dojutsu", this is baseless. The ability to use a dojutsu effectively is relative to one's own dojutsu.

Nagato and EMS Madara aren't even on the same tier. Madara takes him comfortably. Nagato has NOTHING that can break through Perfect Susanoo except CT which can easily be destroyed by PS's sword swings in the early stages. CST is tanked by PS. Nagato's summons are useless here as they will not provide any distraction for a guy who can tear up the landscape with one attack nor will they break through or even harm PS in the slightest. The only people who think Nagato can win are the people who foolishly believe in that horrible excuse of an argument, the Preta Path argument. Like Madara is going to sit there twiddling his thumbs while Nagato sucks up his Susanoo, which would obviously take a lot of time given its size. The also fail to realize that Nagato needs to get close to Susanoo to absorb it in the first place which is near impossible when one slash tears up the landscape and tossed the Gokage backwards when it wasn't even aimed towards them. Another thing they fail to realize is that Nagato can't absorb the mountain cutting shockwaves that PS shoots out, he can only deflect them and his ST has a 5 second time limit while PS has two swords. Gedo Mazo isn't doing anything to PS, not when the latter tanked a Bijuu Dama that far surpassed any damage capabilities of the Mazo by far. Also the people who think Nagato has WAY more chakra than Madara. Think again. Madara was able to fight for a day non stop and control the Kyuubi and use Perfect Susanoo at teh same time with no noticeable stamina issues while Nagato exhausted most of his chakra by just fighting the leaf village. The Kyuubi isn't even necessary to fight against Nagato. Madara has him beat in feats and hype. Inb4 someone starts talking about how Madara doesn't jump straight to PS, he obviously doesn't need to as he will climb Susanoo's levels as Nagato presents more and more attacks for him to deal with.

And lmfao at the people who think Nagato wins because he has Rinnegan (Transplanted) while Madara has EMS. Even though Madara's feats with his EMS surpass Nagato's feats with his Rinnegan.

EMS Madara>Nagato. Clear as day.

Use paragraphs to space out your point, make it simple to read.
It's late, I'm tired, I cba trying to decipher your wall of text to form a counter argument.

 

[KidGamer65]

You've just defeated your own point there, as anyone who genetically has the rinnegan has to be part Uchiha, therefore they are the best dojutsu wielders.

You can't just say "The best at wielding Dojutsu", this is baseless. The ability to use a dojutsu effectively is relative to one's own dojutsu.


Use paragraphs to space out your point, make it simple to read.
It's late, I'm tired, I cba trying to decipher your wall of text to form a counter argument.

Lmfao. You tell me this like I care if its simple for you to read it or not but since I want to see your counter argument I'll space it out.

EDIT: Done. Now lets see what counter you're going to bring to the table.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

also that all of nagato's jutsu madara can use aswell

 

[TheSages456]

nagato gets stomped with low diff. fanboys need to stop pretending that nagato can match the strength of PS.

 

[VongolaX]

nagato is like zetsu, zetsu is a degraded weakling of hashirama and couldn't even compare the two. Nagato who wasn't even born with it , and was bestowed by an uchiha couldn't even compare the power to the likes of the s06p. Nagato can only use the paths ability and the outer path. That is very limited, considering the fact that a sharigan can copy numerous of justu even a 1,000 (kakashi).

 

[schmeckie]

Nagato would wreck ems madara, this is wat would happen, madara would use susanoo and try to slice nagato in half, nagato uses his force shield thing and stops the attack dead in its tracks, he then absorbs susanoo and without susanoo madara is killed by ct or even st. Also nagato could use his chameleon and stealth up to madara or susanoo and absorb it or even use his bird thing to evade him nagatos rinnegan is far superior to ems.

 

[SeriousDogg]

Nagato is stronger how EMS Madara stronger as he is can survive Chibaku Tensei + tons of summons + Shinra Tensei + Bansho Ten'in + jutsu absorb + the other abilities of Nagato?

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato would wreck ems madara, this is wat would happen, madara would use susanoo and try to slice nagato in half, nagato uses his force shield thing and stops the attack dead in its tracks, he then absorbs susanoo and without susanoo madara is killed by ct or even st. Also nagato could use his chameleon and stealth up to madara or susanoo and absorb it or even use his bird thing to evade him nagatos rinnegan is far superior to ems.

Wrong. PS blade doesn't need to ever get close to Nagato to kill him. Its shockwaves cut Mountains. Nagato can't absorb a shockwave so he needs Shinra Tensei to deflect it. ST has a 5 second interval and Madara has two swords..do the math.

Chameleon is seen since Madara has the Sharingan.

Multiple PS shockwaves would take out the bird due to their large AoE.

Nagato is stronger how EMS Madara stronger as he is can survive Chibaku Tensei + tons of summons + Shinra Tensei + Bansho Ten'in + jutsu absorb + the other abilities of Nagato?

Summons can't even scratch Susanoo.

CT is destroyed by PS in the early stages.

Shinra Tensei is tanked.

Bansho Tennin is useless.

Nagato is never getting close enough to even attempt Preta.

 

[schmeckie]

Wrong. PS blade doesn't need to ever get close to Nagato to kill him. Its shockwaves cut Mountains. Nagato can't absorb a shockwave so he needs Shinra Tensei to deflect it. ST has a 5 second interval and Madara has two swords..do the math.

Chameleon is seen since Madara has the Sharingan.

Multiple PS shockwaves would take out the bird due to their large AoE.



Summons can't even scratch Susanoo.

CT is destroyed by PS in the early stages.

Shinra Tensei is tanked.

Bansho Tennin is useless.

Nagato is never getting close enough to even attempt Preta.

I just don't think perfect susanoo could tank or resist nagatos full strength shinra tensei or bansho tennin, he defeated six tails kyuubi with tendo and naruto even said his attacks are on a whole other level when he's actually using his own body. I bet he could've made chibaku tensei a whole lot bigger to capture perfect susanoo, or just bansho tennin susanoos swords or it self right to him to be absorbed by preta path

 

[mun]

ems madara stomps nagato easy, anyone with half a brain will obviously know this. Delusional fans believe nagato has a chance just because he has preta path

 

[pateuvasiliu]

this. hahah

No they are not. Nagato has Senju DNA Madara's eyes, both Madara and the Rinnegan being superior to the EMS one.