Why do people say 1 MS Kakashi>Itachi?

[AizenSosuke]

Itachi> 1MS Kakashi(War Arc)
2 MS Kakashi>Itachi
Its as simple as that.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Those are thought bubbles not speech bubbles. Two different things.

Does not matter, speech is not an accurate form of time perception on paper

what? Its the same edo itachi that fought naruto. Don't pull that bs.

So you didn't even understand what I was referring to?

Itachi went for a blitz and missed, while kabuto was dangling to and fro and was at the mercy of gravity.

He was actually trying to create a physical sensation for the Izanami, in a weaker body.

bee has no absolutely way of telling exactly where Minato is/would teleport, so him pointing his sword behind him means he reacted to minato teleporting behind him.

So Bee is able to move his arms at instantaneous speed? Tell me more

I didn't know bee moved top speed when using 7 swordsmen style.... Oh wait he doesn't. Stop reaching.

According to Dr. Benjermin, Bee is able to move his hands at instant speeds, so going by his logic, Itachi can move faster than instant.

at the time amaterasu was the only known long range ms attack.
Sasuke was never injured in his eye, and bee already established that he's uchiha.They're well known for eye techniques.

And you say that I'm reaching? Lol
Bee had no intel on Amaterasu, plain and simple. And Sasuke was already shown grasping one of his earlier in the foght, Bee isn't perceptie enough to notice snall things such as Sasuke only being able to cast Genjutsu with his right.[/quote]

If theye weren't why'd he drop the sword?

Out of surprise, you'd shit your pants if someone exploded into a mass of crows.

a pinned down sensor that has nowhere to go? Naww not that impressive

Still able to sense multiple presences in the cave, I don't think you understand just how good his sensing and reaction rate is

anywhere but right and left.[

Actually she was falling down as a result of kamui raikiri. She isn't on a 2 dimensional plane. By moving forward, backwards, further down, diagonally whatever. In canon she's faster than both.
idk how ama protects from acid, heavy gravity, or lava but whatever, she could have made her portal and flew through it. Naruto and his clones were already proven to be too slow to follow her in and sasuke couldn't even react to them.

She isn't faster than Naruto, who speedblitzed her on multiple occasions, and she's only faster than Sasuke's attacking speed.
She was straight up, and she would need to tilt herself to escape Naruto and Sasuke, which she definitely was not fast enough to do.
Acid and Lava would take her out as well, gravity would slow her down as well. Opening a rift would not do anything because Sakura was above as well.

only by a certain distance since his tail was holding him back.

Why would you need to swing far to dodge a sword?

Naw kakashi too.

Nah. Still a snail Lol

The only person who reacted after was kakashi, danzo took note of where sasuke was aiming it while falling and gave birth to a tree to change its direction, kabuto was aware of him pulling susanno and stringing the arrow b4 he dodged as well. So really and truly the only one with legitimate arrow reaction (and not anticipation) is kakashi, and bz/obito.

Kakashi was actually looking at Sasuke's Susano'o, so no.

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, and Kabuto being able to sense it being pulled back is no different from seeing it being strug back. It should also be noted that Danzo tracked the arrow with a regular eye, while Kakashi had the Sharigan activated.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Does not matter, speech is not an accurate form of time perception on paper

Yes it is.until proven otherwise.

So you didn't even understand what I was referring to?

Edo itachi?

He was actually trying to create a physical sensation for the Izanami, in a weaker body.

your point is... he still went for a blitz.

So Bee is able to move his arms at instantaneous speed? Tell me more

madara did it, minato did it, and according to the hype of attacks that claim to be instant so has ay, kakashi, obito, etc. So you tell me

According to Dr. Benjermin, Bee is able to move his hands at instant speeds, so going by his logic, Itachi can move faster than instant.

Except 7 sword style bee doesn't use his hands. He uses his joints.

And you say that I'm reaching?
Lol
Bee had no intel on Amaterasu, plain and simple.

So you're saying random kumo nin can recognize the uchiha symbol and chee can recognize amaterasu(and compare it to itachi's) but bee the second in command the "B" in the a/b combo most reputable combo in kumo can't? Lmfao.

And Sasuke was already shown grasping one of his earlier in the foght

He produced no blood, and that's all the more for him to recognize sasuke as uchiha.
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Bee isn't perceptie enough to notice snall

assumptions

things such as Sasuke only being able to cast Genjutsu with his right.

proof?

Out of surprise, you'd shit your pants if someone exploded into a mass of crows.

given how knowledgeable kabuto is, the experiments he did to himself and seeing itachi using it shitting his pants is unlikely. Unless you wanna show me some pants stains.

Still able to sense multiple presences in the cave, I don't think you understand just how good his sensing and reaction rate is

Him sensing them dosent mean he was going anywhere.

She isn't faster than Naruto

the fact that she was able to fly directly up and out of their reach means she's faster than them.

who speedblitzed her on multiple occasions,

once, and he was on the floor at the time equating to a Shunshin blitz.

and she's only faster than Sasuke's attacking speed.

Yeah that's why he only touched her once

She was straight up,

no she was lying back. Yet she straightened her body and flew directly up and out of her reach b4 either was able to touch her.

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and she would need to tilt herself to escape Naruto and Sasuke, which she definitely was not fast enough to do.

read above.

Acid and Lava would take her out as well,

given her healing rate? Doubtful.

gravity would slow her down as well.

they'd all fall back to the floor. And we'very already seen that neither noodles or sauce can move a inch other the conditions.

Opening a rift would not do anything because Sakura was above as well.

If naruto and his clones couldn't follow her in the rift how would sakura be able to? And if she did what's sakura doing to Kaguya?

Why would you need to swing far to dodge a sword?

combine the length of the sword with the length of itachi's arm and you're looking at a solid 5 ft.

Nah. Still a snail Lol

Scans is scans. I can do without your opinion.

Kakashi was actually looking at Sasuke's Susano'o, so no.

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, and Kabuto being able to sense it being pulled back is no different from seeing it being strug back. It should also be noted that Danzo tracked the arrow with a regular eye, while Kakashi had the Sharigan activated.

Based on the scan they were already fired. Whereas danzo had the luxury of predicting were it would go b4 sasuke launched it. Not to mention sasuke launched two at kakashi whereas danzo got 1.

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[ChocolateVanilla]

Yes it is.until proven otherwise.

No, it's not, unless you know how fast the character is speaking, or they tell you how much time has passed.

Edo itachi?

There we go

your point is... he still went for a blitz.

But it wasn't a true blitz attempt, which makes it just as much as a handicap when compared to Kabuto's situation.

madara did it, minato did it, and according to the hype of attacks that claim to be instant so has ay, kakashi, obito, etc. So you tell me

What you speak of isn't the same.
Bee had his dagger out right when Minato teleported, leaving Minato unable to attack, or else they would both die.
Madara has only reacted to Minato's attacking speed, not FTG itself.

Except 7 sword style bee doesn't use his hands. He uses his joints.

Bee needed to use his joints to position the dagger to where it was, did he not?

So you're saying random kumo nin can recognize the uchiha symbol and chee can recognize amaterasu(and compare it to itachi's) but bee the second in command the "B" in the a/b combo most reputable combo in kumo can't? Lmfao.

What are you even talking about? The Uchiha are famous, everyone knows this. And Cee didn't recognize Amaterasu until AFTER it was casted, which anyone can do considering they're jet black flames. He never noted that Sasuke's eyes were bleeding, so it shouldn't even be assumed that he knew Amaterasu was coming. I reiterate, Bee did not know about Amaterasu

He produced no blood, and that's all the more for him to recognize sasuke as uchiha.

So all Uchiha can use Amaterasu now?

, assumptions

Actually, since Bee hasn't shown perceptive abilities that would enable him to recognoxe something as minor as that, it's not an assumption Lol.

proof?

Search for it yourself amigo, every instance in which Sasuke has shown to cast Genjutsu with an eye, it's always been his right, unless he was directly staring at his opponent

given how knowledgeable kabuto is, the experiments he did to himself and seeing itachi using it shitting his pants is unlikely. Unless you wanna show me some pants stains.

You act as if Kabuto was expecting that to be a bunshin, he had no idea, so obviously he would have been frightened/confused.

Him sensing them dosent mean he was going anywhere.

But he shouldn't have been shocked that it actually turned out to be a bunshin

the fact that she was able to fly directly up and out of their reach means she's faster than them.
once, and he was on the floor at the time equating to a Shunshin blitz.

Being faster with Shunshin still makes you faster

Yeah that's why he only touched her once

Teleportation=faster than movement

no she was lying back. Yet she straightened her body and flew directly up and out of her reach b4 either was able to touch her.

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read above.

So she was able to use her own momentum to shoot herself back up into Sakura, how nice.

given her healing rate? Doubtful.

Acid and Lava would kill her in a heartbeat, otherwise Naruto's chakra cloak could protect him, same wth Sasuke's Susano'o.

they'd all fall back to the floor. And we'very already seen that neither noodles or sauce can move a inch other the conditions.

By the time she shifted, they basically would already be on her. And why are we even comparing this to Itachi and Kabuto again? Because these are clearly different conditions.

If naruto and his clones couldn't follow her in the rift how would sakura be able to? And if she did what's sakura doing to Kaguya?

Sakura was right on top of her, but I still don't see how this relates to anything.

combine the length of the sword with the length of itachi's arm and you're looking at a solid 5 ft.

A solid 5 feet, so undodgeable.

Scans is scans. I can do without your opinion.

Yet you haven't shown any scans that would allow him to even touch Kabuto.

Based on the scan they were already fired. Whereas danzo had the luxury of predicting were it would go b4 sasuke launched it. Not to mention sasuke launched two at kakashi whereas danzo got 1.

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Based on earlier scans, Kakashi was looking at Sasuke.
As for launching two, that still doesn't change the fact that his body wasn't fast enough to react

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, it's not, unless you know how fast the character is speaking, or they tell you how much time has passed.

So instead of trying to prove otherwise you're stating opinion. . . No manga scans to back it up.

There we go

the same edo itachi that matched kcm naruto (who u said sucks if it isn't Shunshin)

But it wasn't a true blitz attempt, which makes it just as much as a handicap when compared to Kabuto's situation.

Yes it was even worse when you consider all he had to do was clip kabuto (which is all he could do) since it passes for physical sensation.

What you speak of isn't the same.

Yes it is.

Bee had his dagger out right when Minato teleported, leaving Minato unable to attack

false minato was unaware of his dagger until be told him the situation. It's the second time bee reacted to ftg that fight. The first being saving ay from minato.

Madara has only reacted to Minato's attacking speed, not FTG itself.

No he reacted to ftg, same goes for him reacting to harishingiri. What I love however is the fact that you've disregarded all the other techniques that hold the claim "instant" yet have been proven false. Ftg is just another one.

Bee needed to use his joints to position the dagger to where it was, did he not?

joint speed=/=hand speed. Not to mention the nature of the attack (spinning) while in 7 sword style. The quickest path to anything is straight to it. Not spinning.

What are you even talking about? The Uchiha are famous, everyone knows this.

So you acknowledge that the uchiha are famous.

And Cee didn't recognize Amaterasu until AFTER it was casted

So you acknowledge he knew of amaterasu.

which anyone can do considering they're jet black flames.

false only those that know of itachi know amaterasu, hence why he made the comparison.

He never noted that Sasuke's eyes were bleeding,

He noted the design change

so it shouldn't even be assumed that he knew Amaterasu was coming. I reiterate, Bee did not know about Amaterasu

it can be assumed since someone like chee who's lower in line than that of bee, recognized it easily and compared it to the only other user.

So all Uchiha can use Amaterasu now?

where's this coming from? Based on what you're replying to the question should be
"So all uchiha can use genjutsu?" Which is a solid yes.

Actually, since Bee hasn't shown perceptive abilities that would enable him to recognoxe something as minor as that, it's not an assumption Lol.

He was the first one to notice the black rod under yugito's left breast. So yeah assumption.

Search for it yourself amigo, every instance in which Sasuke has shown to cast Genjutsu with an eye, it's always been his right,

I'm not asking for proof that Sasuke can use genjutsu with his right. (Which you're wrong on btw. Only when using ms is it right only. For 3T it's either or) I'm asking for proof that Bee can't pick up on such things. Cuz you've made these claims yet haven't backed them up.

unless he was directly staring at his opponent

He has to be looking at his opponent to cast Genjutsu on them, since all he has is eye based genjutsu.

You act as if Kabuto was expecting that to be a bunshin, he had no idea, so obviously he would have been frightened/confused.

So you're acknowledging that the crows are an active distraction.

But he shouldn't have been shocked that it actually turned out to be a bunshin

now you're denying that the crows are an active distraction. .. make up your mind please. Or is you're argument falling in on itself?

Being faster with Shunshin still makes you faster

Not while he's flying.(which he was in the situation I posted scans of) Concentrating chakra to the feet don't help there.

Teleportation=faster than movement

yet he never touched her, even when he sneaks.

So she was able to use her own momentum to shoot herself back up into Sakura, how nice.

she halted her falling momentum and flew upwards before either made contact.

Acid and Lava would kill her in a heartbeat,

sakura's arm turned out fine and based on the ever so weaker madara tanking a lava frs. I think she'd be ok.

otherwise Naruto's chakra cloak could protect him

most likely.

same wth Sasuke's Susano'o.

But she's outta there by the time they recover.

By the time she shifted, they basically would already be on her.

Because they were on her when she flew away.

And why are we even comparing this to Itachi and Kabuto again? Because these are clearly different conditions.

No it's the same conditions. Anyone can hit a distracted opponent. Kaguya (with byakugan active) was distracted by naruto and sasuke therefore fodder sakura hit her.
Kabuto was pinned upside down from a ceiling surrounded by distracting crows therefore itachi was able to cut the horn he didn't know he had. P.s. those are parallel sentences.

Sakura was right on top of her, but I still don't see how this relates to anything.

sakura being on top of her dosen't mean she can follow her into the portals. And it definitely dosent mean she can mount an offensive if she does. What it does mean is that Sakura(itachi) can hit Kaguya(kabuto) if she's(he) is distracted.

A solid 5 feet, so undodgeable.

When you're pinned to something restraining your movement? Yes.

Yet you haven't shown any scans that would allow him to even touch Kabuto.

nothing leads me to believe kabuto is faster than multiple v2 jinchuuriki. Heck only ay and sasuke(sharingan precognition) dodged v1bee.

Based on earlier scans, Kakashi was looking at Sasuke.

please post them.Last I checked (just now) the fight jumps from sasuke(base) running to kakashi to Sasuke(ms) in a susanno chucking arrows.

As for launching two, that still doesn't change the fact that his body wasn't fast enough to react

two already launched arrows. And again that's summit kakashi.

 

[EZQ]

Because Kamui is too fast, it would warp itachi away before he could do something.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

So instead of trying to prove otherwise you're stating opinion. . . No manga scans to back it up.

No, it's actually one of the fundamentals of reading, which you should have learned back in grade school. The scan does not show how fast Sasuke is speaking therefor it is invalid.

the same edo itachi that matched kcm naruto (who u said sucks if it isn't Shunshin)

I never said that Naruto sucks, I said that he isn't too much without his Kawazu Kumite. Someone like Mū who has decades of experience could definitely dodge Naruto. [/quote]
Yes it was even worse when you consider all he had to do was clip kabuto (which is all he could do) since it passes for physical sensation.[/quote]
And he did clip Kabuto, which was his goal, as he obviously wasn't trying to kill him

Yes it is.
false minato was unaware of his dagger until be told him the situation. It's the second time bee reacted to ftg that fight. The first being saving ay from minato.
No he reacted to ftg, same goes for him reacting to harishingiri. What I love however is the fact that you've disregarded all the other techniques that hold the claim "instant" yet have been proven false. Ftg is just another one.

Stop already Lol
So Minato just stopped for no reason right before he could have killed Bee. He obviously noticed the dagger, and no, Bee reacted to Minato's attacking speed the first time around, adding the fact that Minato tossed his Kunai, then used FTG once before he actually attempted to hit Ay.
Hiraishingiri is FTG, followed by a sword slash, Madara reacted to the sword slash. You're ignoring literally everything and basically saying Bee can react to instantaneous speeds. If you're trying to tell me that FTG isn't instant, then go get some glasses.

joint speed=/=hand speed. Not to mention the nature of the attack (spinning) while in 7 sword style. The quickest path to anything is straight to it. Not spinning.

Bee would need to use his hands in conjunction with his joints to react to an instant speed in that posistion, everything you say pretty much loses all credibility until you drop that.

So you acknowledge that the uchiha are famous.

Obviously

So you acknowledge he knew of amaterasu.

Literally everyone who has seen it has known of Amaterasu. You still haven't proved that he knew that he knew that blood was a sign of it being casted

false only those that know of itachi know amaterasu, hence why he made the comparison.

Did I deny that? Who does not know Itachi? Everyone that has seen Amaterasu before Sasuke has unlocked it knew that it was Itachi's technique.

C
He noted the design change

And this is correlates how? As I've said, not every Uchiha can use Amaterasu.

it can be assumed since someone like chee who's lower in line than that of bee, recognized it easily and compared it to the only other user.

Cee recognized Amaterasu after it was casted, Bee reacted to it after it casted, none of these point to recognition before it was casted.

where's this coming from? Based on what you're replying to the question should be
"So all uchiha can use genjutsu?" Which is a solid yes.

The fact that Sasuke having blood in his eye, or being an Uchiha would not give away Amaterasu

He was the first one to notice the black rod under yugito's left breast. So yeah assumption.

The same Bee who is always staring at tits? Real great perceptive feat m8.
Can I get something real now?

I'm not asking for proof that Sasuke can use genjutsu with his right. (Which you're wrong on btw. Only when using ms is it right only. For 3T it's either or) I'm asking for proof that Bee can't pick up on such things. Cuz you've made these claims yet haven't backed them up.

You're the one not backing up anything
Show me a picture of Sasuke using Genjutsu solely with his left eye, I'll wait.
Show me proof that Bee is perceptive enough to pick up on such small things, I'll wait..

He has to be looking at his opponent to cast Genjutsu on them, since all he has is eye based genjutsu.

Was this not obvious? I was stating that because Sasuke casts Genjutsu with his right, but it's not always distinguishable if he's looking straight ahead.

So you're acknowledging that the crows are an active distraction.

You keep saying that, but you've yet to realize that if Kabuto was distracted, he wouldn't have dodged.

now you're denying that the crows are an active distraction. .. make up your mind please. Or is you're argument falling in on itself?

It's your lack of reading comprehension. He dropped the sword because he was momentarily shocked, but he got his shit rogether, sensed Itachi, then dodged. It's really not that difficult to process

Not while he's flying.(which he was in the situation I posted scans of) Concentrating chakra to the feet don't help there.

Then you should have said flying speed, becaus Kaguya is not faster than Naruto overall.

yet he never touched her, even when he sneaks.

Do you not understand what attacking speed is?

she halted her falling momentum and flew upwards before either made contact.

Thus using the momentum to shoot up even faster

sakura's arm turned out fine and based on the ever so weaker madara tanking a lava frs. I think she'd be ok.
most likely.

That acid barely brushed Sakura, just one second in it could reveal her bone, but we don't know.

But she's outta there by the time they recover.

Wasn't it established that she was low on Chakra?

Because they were on her when she flew away.
No it's the same conditions. Anyone can hit a distracted opponent. Kaguya (with byakugan active) was distracted by naruto and sasuke therefore fodder sakura hit her.
Kabuto was pinned upside down from a ceiling surrounded by distracting crows therefore itachi was able to cut the horn he didn't know he had. P.s. those are parallel sentences.

The difference is, Kaguya once again had literally no where to go without getting caught, while Kabuto did.
Kaguya also had 3 people on her while Kabuto had one
Kaguya also isn't an adept sensor.
Kaguya also has the thought process of a 5th grader.
Different situations, shouldn't even be compared really.

sakura being on top of her dosen't mean she can follow her into the portals. And it definitely dosent mean she can mount an offensive if she does. What it does mean is that Sakura(itachi) can hit Kaguya(kabuto) if she's(he) is distracted.

Kaguya had 3 other people pressuring her while she was unaware that Sakura was after her until it was too late
Kabuto immediately sensed Itachi coming to him.

When you're pinned to something restraining your movement? Yes.

Did the Snakes Kabuto was hiding in when he dodged the arrows restrict his movemnt as well? Yes. Possibly even moreso.[/quote]

nothing leads me to believe kabuto is faster than multiple v2 jinchuuriki. Heck only ay and sasuke(sharingan precognition) dodged v1bee.

A v2 jins best speedfeat is cracking Kisame in the chest, which a Susano'o arrow could do with no problem.

please post them.Last I checked (just now) the fight jumps from sasuke(base) running to kakashi to Sasuke(ms) in a susanno chucking arrows.

Which still allowed Kakashi to see the arrows being strung back and shot.

two already launched arrows. And again that's summit kakashi.

Which his body was not fast enough to react to. And anything suggesting that Kakashi could dodge one of those arrows after the summit? Because he still seems to be lacking in that department.

 

[Selan]

Because Kakashi is better than Itachi in everything (speed, intellect, strength, stamina, taijutsu, ninjutsu) bar genjutsu. And Kamui trumps every MS jutsu Itachi has. Kamui is faster than Amaterasu and can anticipate it. Kamui can warp Susanoo or Itachi in Susanoo. Kamui can warp Itachi without seeing his eyes so no Tsukuyomi risk.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, it's actually one of the fundamentals of reading, which you should have learned back in grade school. The scan does not show how fast Sasuke is speaking therefor it is invalid.

lol. No what I learned in grade school(before that matter of fact) is that as someone speakers (or does anything for that matter) time passes.

I never said that Naruto sucks,

Yes you did "all Naruto has is fast Shunshin speed" meaning he has nothing else.

I said that he isn't too much without his Kawazu Kumite.

clones rasengans chakra arms but hey if it ain't Shunshin it ain't worth jack.

Someone like Mū who has decades of experience could definitely dodge Naruto.

So you're acknowledging that flying shinobi are accustomed to fighting while in mid-air (the original point) while shinobi that can't fly aren't. Glad we finally got that cleared up.

And he did clip Kabuto, which was his goal, as he obviously wasn't trying to kill him

So you're finally accepting that in order for him to clip kabuto he needs
A) kabuto to be pinned
B) kabuto to be in mid-air
C) kabuto to be upside down
D) kabuto to be distracted by clones.

Stop already Lol
So Minato just stopped for no reason right before he could have killed Bee.

He was threatening ay. Since he already got the call to leave.

He obviously noticed the dagger,

here's when he teleported.

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Dosent notice dagger until he looks down, and bee makes absolutely no movement in any of the panels in both scans.

Bee reacted to Minato's attacking speed the first time around, adding the fact that Minato tossed his Kunai, then used FTG once before he actually attempted to hit Ay.

So we're saying bee's tentacle is faster than minato's attacking speed? Hmm whatever. I'm cool with that.

Hiraishingiri is FTG, followed by a sword slash, Madara reacted to the sword slash.

No madara reacted to ftg. Hence the "!" above his head the moment Tobirama appears.

You're ignoring literally everything and basically saying Bee can react to instantaneous speeds.

Because he has.

If you're trying to tell me that FTG isn't instant, then go get some glasses.

If the technique was instant there wouldn't be a speed drop (since no time=no speed (or infinite speed) when using it with Clones.

Bee would need to use his hands in conjunction with his joints to react to an instant

He used his hand to hold the sword and point it behind him. When using 7 sword style he used his joint to hold the sword and spin at his opponent. It's not the same.

speed in that posistion, everything you say pretty much loses all credibility until you drop that.

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Obviously

good

Literally everyone who has seen it has known of Amaterasu.

false. That's just your assumption.

You still haven't proved that he knew that he knew that blood was a sign of it being casted

blood is a sign of ms techniques. Not to mention the change in air pressure.

Did I deny that? Who does not know Itachi?

not everyone that knows itachi knows amaterasu.

Everyone that has seen Amaterasu before Sasuke has unlocked it knew that it was Itachi's technique.

please provide information that everyone in that room down to the fodder samurai that got hit by it knew of amaterasu, before Sasuke.

And this is correlates how? As I've said, not every Uchiha can use Amaterasu.

only 2 ms users alive. One being the younger brother of the original ama user? Connect the dots.

Cee recognized Amaterasu after it was casted,

Cee recognized the ms and the blood. So did ay. What known ms tech can be countered by Shunshin? Only ama fits the bill.

Bee reacted to it after it casted, none of these point to recognition before it was casted.

bee put his hands up before it was casted tho...

The fact that Sasuke having blood in his eye, or being an Uchiha would not give away Amaterasu

the fact that Sasuke has ms and is using it long range hints towards ama.

The same Bee who is always staring at tits? Real great perceptive feat m8.
Can I get something real now?

figuring out the abilities of sasuke's whole squad through only taijutsu?.

You're the one not backing up anything
Show me a picture of Sasuke using Genjutsu solely with his left eye, I'll wait.

why would I have to do that when I already acknowledged he uses both when using 3t. But since you're pressing for common knowledge.

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Show me proof that Bee is perceptive enough to pick up on such small things, I'll wait..

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Was this not obvious? I was stating that because Sasuke casts Genjutsu with his right, but it's not always distinguishable if he's looking straight ahead.

Seeing as how both eyes are shown (in deidara fight) That's not the case, not to mention I already proved it wrong.

You keep saying that, but you've yet to realize that if Kabuto was distracted, he wouldn't have dodged.

No you can dodge while distracted just not as well.

It's your lack of reading comprehension. He dropped the sword because he was momentarily shocked, but he got his shit rogether, sensed Itachi, then dodged. It's really not that difficult to process

So he was able to do all of that b4 itachi hit him? Lol but 4 real. He dropped his sword cuz the crows were distracting him, he dodged poorly cuz he was upside down hanging in the air and pinned by his tail. It's your interpretation against mine but mines is worth a damn cuz unlike you I'm taking into consideration all the facts. You on the other hand are saying:
disregard the crows
Disregard his position
Disregard his limited movement
Itachi clipped him cuz he was just that fast.
Very illogical. Of itachi was that fast then what was all the set up for? Shits and giggles? Why didn't he just go out there and do it? Why was he getting murdered by kabuto left and right? Lol it would be like saying sakura is faster than ka... see now I'm repeating my self.

Then you should have said flying speed, becaus Kaguya is not faster than Naruto overall.

only through Shunshin is naruto faster.

Do you not understand what attacking speed is?

He already shown the capacity to teleport things directly to him and directly into his opponents. Attacking speed has nothing to do with it.

Thus using the momentum to shoot up even faster

No she halted her falling momentum and accelerated in the opposite direction. Idk were you're getting this "shot up" idea from. She isn't s rubber band.

That acid barely brushed Sakura, just one second in it could reveal her bone, but we don't know.

Her durability is greater than that of sakura's and her regeneration is superior to yin seal. We already saw madara regrow brains.

Wasn't it established that she was low on Chakra?

No she just got refilled by the tree.

The difference is, Kaguya once again had literally no where to go without getting caught, while Kabuto did.

Kaguya could fly. That's literally nigh infinite directions. Whereas kabuto was pinned.

Kaguya also had 3 people on her while Kabuto had one

mere distractions much like the crows, the tail pinned to the wall, being upsidedown.

Kaguya also isn't an adept sensor.

she has byakugan.

Kaguya also has the thought process of a 5th grader.

opinion.

Different situations, shouldn't even be compared really.

it's the same situation. You just don't want to admit it.

Kaguya had 3 other people pressuring her while she was unaware that Sakura was after her until it was too late
Kabuto immediately sensed Itachi coming to him.

Kabuto had 3 other distractions pressuring him and was unaware that itachi was coming for him till it was too late.
Kaguya automatically knows sakura is coming for her due to byakugan.
That was too easy. You walked into it.

Did the Snakes Kabuto was hiding in when he dodged the arrows restrict his movemnt as well? Yes. Possibly even moreso

speculation bad speculation at that considering he controls their movement.

A v2 jins best speedfeat is cracking Kisame in the chest,

actually it's best speedfeat is pressuring a non cooldown deva path

which a Susano'o arrow could do with no problem.

doubtful. Not to mention it's 4 jins.

Which still allowed Kakashi to see the arrows being strung back and shot.

please provide proof. That's your assumption. The only thing that's for certain is that he's facing them after they were thrown. Not before, not during.

Which his body was not fast enough to react to. And anything suggesting that Kakashi could dodge one of those arrows after the summit? Because he still seems to be lacking in that department.

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lol. No what I learned in grade school(before that matter of fact) is that as someone speakers (or does anything for that matter) time passes.

But you can't tell how much time passes which automatically makes any comment on it invalid.

Yes you did "all Naruto has is fast Shunshin speed" meaning he has nothing else.
clones rasengans chakra arms but hey if it ain't Shunshin it ain't worth jack.
So you're acknowledging that flying shinobi are accustomed to fighting while in mid-air (the original point) while shinobi that can't fly aren't. Glad we finally got that cleared up.

It appears as if your reading comprehension skills are below my level of explanation, which lead to this miscommunication. Not goong to bother with this clusterf*ck.

So you're finally accepting that in order for him to clip kabuto he needs
A) kabuto to be pinned
B) kabuto to be in mid-air
C) kabuto to be upside down
D) kabuto to be distracted by clones.

More miscommunication and fallacies, I've already said why this is not true, but you keep repeating thr same things over and over again to the point where I need to repeat things, which I'm not a fan of.

He was threatening ay. Since he already got the call to leave.

Orlly, especially when Bee has the ability to use a chakra cloak that would protect hin from any Kunai lol

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Dosent notice dagger until he looks down, and bee makes absolutely no movement in any of the panels in both scans.

Yeah..no.
Bo exclamation points showing surprise
He noticed it right before he swung which stopped it from doing it.

So we're saying bee's tentacle is faster than minato's attacking speed? Hmm whatever. I'm cool with that.

We're also saying Bee's hand has an instant movement speed

No madara reacted to ftg. Hence the "!" above his head the moment Tobirama appears.

Bending things now. Madara sensed Tobirama right after he jumped, with the exclamation point noting surprise. Reacting to FTG would be grabbing Tobirama during his teleport, which would be impossible since it's instant.

Because he has.

Because you ignore all details to continue your crumbling argument

If the technique was instant there wouldn't be a speed drop (since no time=no speed (or infinite speed) when using it with Clones.

Even my little brother could understand what Tobirama meant. Clone reaction rates are canonically slower, so the time they take to activate Hiraishin would be slower than the original.

He used his hand to hold the sword and point it behind him. When using 7 sword style he used his joint to hold the sword and spin at his opponent. It's not the same.

There are joints in your wrist, are you going to retract your statement already? Because I can feel my neurons dying.

read above.

Everything you say is still not credible..
Y'know what, take a physics class before you reply, because this is ridiculous

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false. That's just your assumption.
blood is a sign of ms techniques. Not to mention the change in air pressure.
not everyone that knows itachi knows amaterasu.
please provide information that everyone in that room down to the fodder samurai that got hit by it knew of amaterasu, before Sasuke.

So basically, you're saying that not many knew of Amaterasu? That only hurts you:
Can you show proof that Bee knows blood is a sign of Amaterasu?
Even Kankurou knew what Amaterasu is, but if you think that not many people knew of Amaterasu, then Bee shouldn't know rither������

only 2 ms users alive. One being the younger brother of the original ama user? Connect the dots.

Baseless, I don't have the same eye color as my brother.

Cee recognized the ms and the blood. So did ay. What known ms tech can be countered by Shunshin? Only ama fits the bill.

Proof of them acknowledging the blood? All they knew was that he had the MS, so stop already.

bee put his hands up before it was casted tho...

As he was fast enough to react to it.

the fact that Sasuke has ms and is using it long range hints towards ama.

Again, you can't prove anything

figuring out the abilities of sasuke's whole squad through only taijutsu?.

This proves anything how? Ther techniques are obvious compared to the Deva Path, or Kamui.

why would I have to do that when I already acknowledged he uses both when using 3t. But since you're pressing for common knowledge.

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So we're using Rinnegan Sasuke? Tell me more about how this relates to MS Sasuke and under.

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You'd have to be retarded to not come to that conclusion. Would you be unable to arrive to that conclusion in that situation?

Seeing as how both eyes are shown (in deidara fight) That's not the case, not to mention I already proved it wrong.
No you can dodge while distracted just not as well.

So casting Genjutsu with one eye amounts to only one eye being shown? Weak

Are you BSing me? And he also sensed Itachi coming, so stop hitting me with that.

So he was able to do all of that b4 itachi hit him? Lol but 4 real. He dropped his sword cuz the crows were distracting him, he dodged poorly cuz he was upside down hanging in the air and pinned by his tail. It's your interpretation against mine but mines is worth a damn cuz unlike you I'm taking into consideration all the facts. You on the other hand are saying:
disregard the crows
Disregard his position
Disregard his limited movement
Itachi clipped him cuz he was just that fast.
Very illogical. Of itachi was that fast then what was all the set up for? Shits and giggles? Why didn't he just go out there and do it? Why was he getting murdered by kabuto left and right? Lol it would be like saying sakura is faster than ka... see now I'm repeating my self.

This is just.. wow. I'll reply when you get some better shit

only through Shunshin is naruto faster

Which makes him faster

He already shown the capacity to teleport things directly to him and directly into his opponents. Attacking speed has nothing to do with it.
No she halted her falling momentum and accelerated in the opposite direction. Idk were you're getting this "shot up" idea from. She isn't s rubber band.

Her durability is greater than that of sakura's and her regeneration is superior to yin seal. We already saw madara regrow brains.

No she just got refilled by the tree.

Kaguya could fly. That's literally nigh infinite directions. Whereas kabuto was pinned.
mere distractions much like the crows, the tail pinned to the wall, being upsidedown.
she has byakugan.
opinion.
it's the same situation. You just don't want to admit it.

Kabuto had 3 other distractions pressuring him and was unaware that itachi was coming for him till it was too late.
Kaguya automatically knows sakura is coming for her due to byakugan.
That was too easy. You walked into it.

Stop comparing Kaguya to Kabuto and a 4vs1 situation to a 2vs1 situation. Bring a similar situation, and we can talk

speculation bad speculation at that considering he controls their movement.

He also controls his tails movement, and how are those snakes as fast as Kabuto? enlighten me.

actually it's best speedfeat is pressuring a non cooldown deva path
doubtful. Not to mention it's 4 jins.

Which a Susano'o arrows would do as well

please provide proof. That's your assumption. The only thing that's for certain is that he's facing them after they were thrown. Not before, not during.

read above.

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Now stop with all the speculations, fantasies, fanfictions etc
According to you Bee and Madara can move faster than light and FTG isn't instant.
So if tou even bother to reply, actually put shit that makes sense in it, and get facts straight.

 

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Ughh. I'm sick of arguing the same things over and over again. Short and qick. Technique's that claim/hyped to be instant yet isn't:
1)Ftg. An instant technique dosent slow down. Tobirama says it ftg with clones is to slow. Therefore it's not instant.

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2)Kamui hyped to be instant speed of light etc.Proven false by ftg out speeding it.

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Summoning jutsu hyped to be instant. Proven false by kamui.

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But none of this matters. When you bring a scan of a unpinned kabuto getting hit come back.